for now is Aizen but Ichigo is going to be next because he is the main character
Strongest Death God (bleach)
Started by knakker, Jan 15 2006 04:54 PM
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Posted 08 September 2007 - 06:42 PM
ichigo once he becomes half vaizard propably but if it's just captains then hitsugaya i mean he's still 12-14 in appearance and shinigamis do grow up and such and he's already got the power to match some of the other captains power and he just a teen.
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Posted 09 September 2007 - 01:00 AM
Rurouni Kenshin is the STRONGEST!!!!MAUAHAHAHAHH!!! jk, i'd probably think that Aizen would pwn ichigo right now but eventually ichigo will be stronger so i pickk..mmmm....ai...ze.....ichigo 
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Aizen wins in the category for the moment. Before Ichigo gets stronger then Aizen, Aizen will be the strongest. He can already beat most everybody in Soul Society with only his Shikai form. Imagine him releasing his Ban Kai. Would be even stronger and would look impossible to defeat him.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 05:04 AM
the stronges must be hitsugaya toshiro 
his bankai is my favorite one
his bankai is my favorite one
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 03:43 PM
aizen most likely.. or mayb kenpachi
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Posted 11 September 2007 - 02:12 AM
Aizen is the strongest. He beat hitsugaya in like 2 seconds and stopped ichigos bankai with one finger.
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Posted 11 September 2007 - 08:27 AM
I still think that Ichigo has not fully accepted his hollow powers because when his hollow was getting out of control Ulquiorra said that Ichigo had more power even though Ichigo now doesn't stand a chance against Ulquiorra. Also, I don't think Aizen's hypnosis is a strong as he implied because of the way he has been using it.Still Aizen is a beast and could probably beat even a Bankai Ken-chan(he he he) at the moment.
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Posted 14 September 2007 - 10:04 PM
I think it would be zaraki or the captain commander of the 13 squads.Even if zaraki knew the name of his sword it he would get more powerful because his power and the power of his sword cancel each other,thus making zaraki weaker.
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Posted 14 September 2007 - 10:10 PM
You guys are missing the best death god ever..... spongebob 
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Posted 14 September 2007 - 11:32 PM
its a no brainer.. aizen sosuke is the strongest shinigami
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 12:15 PM
it has to be ichigo
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 12:37 PM
Well Ichigo (duh) No matter how stong EVERY one else is, ICHIGO is the main character... So Some how~~~ he's gonna beat the bad guy...so hands down for Ichigo...
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 10:56 PM
i would say that zaraki, the old man (genmou or something 
u know... the head of gotei 13) or ichigos dadaizen is just astute
u know... the head of gotei 13) or ichigos dadaizen is just astute
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 10:57 PM
Taking Ichigo out of consideration, because he isnt technically a shingami, I'd say Aizen
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 11:15 PM
i thibk ichigos dad is pretty strong we've never seen his true potentional
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Posted 24 September 2007 - 05:33 AM
Byakuya can make someone into dust with his attack, but I think that the best is Zaraki Kenpachi, he has this tremendous power without a Bankai, so awesome.
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I think it might be urahara kisuke. he defeat a espada with just his shikai even though it is the weakest without released form
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Posted 08 May 2008 - 01:20 PM
um i'd say uh aizen maybe?
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Posted 08 May 2008 - 08:20 PM
This is sort of like One Piece in that it's debatable as to who is the strongest due to the existance of so many candidates and groups, and a lack of conclusive evidence. So for now, I'd say the candidates for strongest are:1) Yamamoto Genryuusai:The 1st division captain and head of the Gotei 13, he was one of its founders more than 10,000 years earlier. Besides training, age naturally increases a Shinigami's soul power, so that automatically tells you that Genryuusai's a powerhouse. This is even more apparent when even before releasing his zanpakutou, his spirit power crushes Nanao (a vice-captain) and renders her unable to breath. Such a display of raw spirit power is unmatched by even Zaraki Kenpachi, even when both haven't released a thing and so are on even terms.From the way he took on Shunsui and Juushirou (two of the first captains who are ranked above the rest, especially when they fight together with their "complementary abilities", and the fact that both have paired zanpakutou) at the same time and overpowered them show how far above the other captains he is.His zanpakutou, Ryuujin Jakka, has been stated to be the strongest fire elemental, and the overall strongest attack-oriented Zanpakutou. We've seen the Shikai form so far, which looks more impressive than most of the Bankais we've seen, so you've got to wonder what his Bankai is like. 0_o;2) Aizen Sousuke:The extent of Aizen's displayed perfection so far is almost too stunning. He apparently has a vast wealth of spirit power, which clear when he can block Ichigo's bankai with his finger when all he's done is draw his zanpakutou. That's more than what we've seen from Kenpachi (always the benchmark for raw spirit power).His shikai, Kyouka Suigetsu, is very impressive. So far no weakness has been revealed. As long as Aizen releases it to his opponent once, that opponent would be trapped in "complete hypnosis" whenever it's released. The only thing is that the opponent has to be looking at it directly to be caught, but that's not an issue since practically all his opponents use their eyes. 
; One possible weakness I can think about (not confirmed) is that the hypnosis is only related to how the opponent sees the zanpakuto itself, and not everything. The reason I think that's the case is because so far Aizen has always created the illusion out of the sword itself, and hasn't done any Tsukiyomi-like location switches. It keeps you wondering about his bankai, though. Will it be another support form, or will it be an attacking water form? Whatever it is, it's sure to be amazing and will boost Aizen's spirit power even further.As if the above wasn't enough, Aizen has shown mastery of Kidou, going up to Kidou 90 (the highest we've seen so far and the strength seems to be relative to the number) to take out a captain in one hit.Finally, Aizen is extremely smart, manipulating just about everyone to fall right into his plan. Only one person was shown to be his match in wits so far, which brings us to...3) Urahara Kisuke:Urahara's a "I'll only show you only as much power as I want to because I obviously am very cunning and can see the big picture and also am very powerful...or not?" type of guy. 0_o; He gets smacked around and berated by his shop "family" and Rukia all the time, but when it comes to a serious situation he uses just enough strength to be in total control of the situation. He shows this when he plays around with the 10th Espada (both times), and with his extensive knowledge of doing things that others can't (get Ichigo to Soul Society forcibly, to Hueco Mundo forcibly, creating the ultimate gigai, etc).His genius makes him the "rule breaker" in Bleach (sort of like Kakashi in Naruto). He created the way in which to release a Bankai in a ridiculously short period of time, and also created the Hougyoku, that little black cube Aizen went through his whole plan for. His genius also shows in his fights, where he's been shown to be able to analyze his opponent's attack after seeing it once, and then neutralize it with the same power whenever the opponent tries to use it again. This shows not only extreme skill and control over spirit power, but also that Urahara's able to read his opponent's movements in a very short period of time, or otherwise he wouldn't be able to perfect the timing to negate an ultra-fast technique like the Espada's Bala.We've seen his shikai, Benihime, so far. It's a so called defensive zanpakutou, which allows him to put up a strong barrier to protect himself or others, but at the same time, he's used it to fire off waves that caused more damage that Getsuuga Tenshou (first Espada fight) so I guess the spirit power increase alone makes him strong in attack, too.What's even more interesting, though, is what little we know about Urahara's bankai. When training Chad, Urahara explains that he can't use his bankai because it's not suitable for training. If it was merely a stronger defensive zanpakutou, that would be perfect for training, but his words suggest that it could be either a one-hit-end-all ability, manipulative ability (like Aizen's), or just so powerful that there would be no point in using it to train Chad.4) Kurosaki Isshin:Ichigo's father, we've seen very little about him, but we know that he was once a division captain. Ichigo and Hiirako were both amazed by his spirit power, which he only let out for a bit while fighting Grand Fisher. He shows that not only does he have a lot of spirit power, but he knows how to concentrate it to make it even more effective.5) Hirako Shinji:Though he's a Vaizard now, he could still be considered a Shinigami/ex-Shinigami. A Gotei 13 division captain over 100 years earlier, he's now the leader of the Vaizards, which going by the Hollow-Shinigami limit-breaking condition mentioned by Aizen, means that he's much stronger than he was before. We've seen Ichigo's power spike when he uses the Hollow's mask, but his lack of control makes it unpractical. Shinji, on the other hand, has complete control over his ability, and thus is much more dangerous.6) Zaraki Kenpachi:I had to add him here, if only for his potential. In terms of raw spirit pressure, only Genryuusai and Aizen have displayed the level Kenpachi has. And the thing is, Zaraki conciously gifts his opponents handicaps, including the spirit-sucking eyepatch. Without the eye patch, his released spirit pressure reaches a near Genryuusai level. He can already take on and beat other captains while they are using their Bankai without even releasing his sword.And all of this, when not only does he not know the name of his zapakutou (meaning he can't release it to even Shikai level), but his spirit and zanpakutou are so isolated that they actually go against each other, which is shown by how chipped Zaraki's zanpakutou is. So it's not just that the zanpakutou isn't enhancing Kenpachi's spirit power like the other captains, it's actually decreasing it (acting like a second eye patch)!The minute Kenpachi at least makes peace with his zanpakutou, he might have the most raw spirit power in an unreleased state. This leaves one wondering what would happen if he ever learns to use his Shikai, or actually reach a state of Bankai...-------------------------------------------------------------------Now, all of this does not take the newest revelations into consideration, which is the existence of the Royal Guard. This is where division captains go when they are promoted (meaning logically that they are stronger than regular division captains), and we can assume that their role is protecting the "King" Aizen is trying to reach. This also brings out the point of the King, who may be extremely strong, or just important and thus need the protection of the Royal Guard. The only name we know so far from the Royal Guard is Hikifune, who was Urahara's predessecor as 12th division captain, and then got promoted, so she would be one candidate for the title of strongest shinigami.There are some explanations as to how some other Shinigami might be stronger than the Royal Guard, though:- For example, Genryuusai, as the Commander of the Gotei 13, might hold a similar rank to them, and not want to switch positions even if he's more than qualified to do so. - Aizen is obviously confident in his ability to surpass everyone else, and it might just be the case that he didn't want to wait long enough to join the Royal Guard ranks, especially if their selection process was so stringent that it could potentially blow his cover and reveal his secrets.- Urahara, Isshin and the Vaizards have left Soul Society, so even if they grew stronger, they would not join the Royal Guard simply because they're not part of the Soul Society heirarchy.Those are just the main possibilities for strongest Shinigami so far. Honorable mentions go to Juushirou, Shunsui, the rest of the Vaizards, Byakuya and Ichigo. Not as powerful as the guys mentioned above so far (apparently), but they're above the rest and have potential.
; One possible weakness I can think about (not confirmed) is that the hypnosis is only related to how the opponent sees the zanpakuto itself, and not everything. The reason I think that's the case is because so far Aizen has always created the illusion out of the sword itself, and hasn't done any Tsukiyomi-like location switches. It keeps you wondering about his bankai, though. Will it be another support form, or will it be an attacking water form? Whatever it is, it's sure to be amazing and will boost Aizen's spirit power even further.As if the above wasn't enough, Aizen has shown mastery of Kidou, going up to Kidou 90 (the highest we've seen so far and the strength seems to be relative to the number) to take out a captain in one hit.Finally, Aizen is extremely smart, manipulating just about everyone to fall right into his plan. Only one person was shown to be his match in wits so far, which brings us to...3) Urahara Kisuke:Urahara's a "I'll only show you only as much power as I want to because I obviously am very cunning and can see the big picture and also am very powerful...or not?" type of guy. 0_o; He gets smacked around and berated by his shop "family" and Rukia all the time, but when it comes to a serious situation he uses just enough strength to be in total control of the situation. He shows this when he plays around with the 10th Espada (both times), and with his extensive knowledge of doing things that others can't (get Ichigo to Soul Society forcibly, to Hueco Mundo forcibly, creating the ultimate gigai, etc).His genius makes him the "rule breaker" in Bleach (sort of like Kakashi in Naruto). He created the way in which to release a Bankai in a ridiculously short period of time, and also created the Hougyoku, that little black cube Aizen went through his whole plan for. His genius also shows in his fights, where he's been shown to be able to analyze his opponent's attack after seeing it once, and then neutralize it with the same power whenever the opponent tries to use it again. This shows not only extreme skill and control over spirit power, but also that Urahara's able to read his opponent's movements in a very short period of time, or otherwise he wouldn't be able to perfect the timing to negate an ultra-fast technique like the Espada's Bala.We've seen his shikai, Benihime, so far. It's a so called defensive zanpakutou, which allows him to put up a strong barrier to protect himself or others, but at the same time, he's used it to fire off waves that caused more damage that Getsuuga Tenshou (first Espada fight) so I guess the spirit power increase alone makes him strong in attack, too.What's even more interesting, though, is what little we know about Urahara's bankai. When training Chad, Urahara explains that he can't use his bankai because it's not suitable for training. If it was merely a stronger defensive zanpakutou, that would be perfect for training, but his words suggest that it could be either a one-hit-end-all ability, manipulative ability (like Aizen's), or just so powerful that there would be no point in using it to train Chad.4) Kurosaki Isshin:Ichigo's father, we've seen very little about him, but we know that he was once a division captain. Ichigo and Hiirako were both amazed by his spirit power, which he only let out for a bit while fighting Grand Fisher. He shows that not only does he have a lot of spirit power, but he knows how to concentrate it to make it even more effective.5) Hirako Shinji:Though he's a Vaizard now, he could still be considered a Shinigami/ex-Shinigami. A Gotei 13 division captain over 100 years earlier, he's now the leader of the Vaizards, which going by the Hollow-Shinigami limit-breaking condition mentioned by Aizen, means that he's much stronger than he was before. We've seen Ichigo's power spike when he uses the Hollow's mask, but his lack of control makes it unpractical. Shinji, on the other hand, has complete control over his ability, and thus is much more dangerous.6) Zaraki Kenpachi:I had to add him here, if only for his potential. In terms of raw spirit pressure, only Genryuusai and Aizen have displayed the level Kenpachi has. And the thing is, Zaraki conciously gifts his opponents handicaps, including the spirit-sucking eyepatch. Without the eye patch, his released spirit pressure reaches a near Genryuusai level. He can already take on and beat other captains while they are using their Bankai without even releasing his sword.And all of this, when not only does he not know the name of his zapakutou (meaning he can't release it to even Shikai level), but his spirit and zanpakutou are so isolated that they actually go against each other, which is shown by how chipped Zaraki's zanpakutou is. So it's not just that the zanpakutou isn't enhancing Kenpachi's spirit power like the other captains, it's actually decreasing it (acting like a second eye patch)!The minute Kenpachi at least makes peace with his zanpakutou, he might have the most raw spirit power in an unreleased state. This leaves one wondering what would happen if he ever learns to use his Shikai, or actually reach a state of Bankai...-------------------------------------------------------------------Now, all of this does not take the newest revelations into consideration, which is the existence of the Royal Guard. This is where division captains go when they are promoted (meaning logically that they are stronger than regular division captains), and we can assume that their role is protecting the "King" Aizen is trying to reach. This also brings out the point of the King, who may be extremely strong, or just important and thus need the protection of the Royal Guard. The only name we know so far from the Royal Guard is Hikifune, who was Urahara's predessecor as 12th division captain, and then got promoted, so she would be one candidate for the title of strongest shinigami.There are some explanations as to how some other Shinigami might be stronger than the Royal Guard, though:- For example, Genryuusai, as the Commander of the Gotei 13, might hold a similar rank to them, and not want to switch positions even if he's more than qualified to do so. - Aizen is obviously confident in his ability to surpass everyone else, and it might just be the case that he didn't want to wait long enough to join the Royal Guard ranks, especially if their selection process was so stringent that it could potentially blow his cover and reveal his secrets.- Urahara, Isshin and the Vaizards have left Soul Society, so even if they grew stronger, they would not join the Royal Guard simply because they're not part of the Soul Society heirarchy.Those are just the main possibilities for strongest Shinigami so far. Honorable mentions go to Juushirou, Shunsui, the rest of the Vaizards, Byakuya and Ichigo. Not as powerful as the guys mentioned above so far (apparently), but they're above the rest and have potential.
Edited by Gagagan, 09 May 2008 - 12:43 AM.
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Posted 08 May 2008 - 09:47 PM
I am going to have to say Souske Aizen. Although I might add that Hitsugaya Toshirou has the coolest Ban Kai. If you guys don't agree, that's fine. It was just my opinion.
Edited by Joe C, 08 May 2008 - 09:57 PM.
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Posted 09 May 2008 - 01:31 AM
For now definatley Aizen but of course Ichigo will learn a plotline nojustsu and get stronger.
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Posted 09 May 2008 - 03:48 PM
Ichigo's probably the coolest, because it's been funner watching him kill things - and have the poo beaten out of him so far.
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Posted 11 May 2008 - 08:16 PM
Rukia is pretty strong cool ice move
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Posted 11 May 2008 - 08:43 PM
As much as i hate to admit it, Aizen is the strongest... for now.
