Again, that's not true. This has been said many times, and shot down before. While marvel may be best known for it's superheroes, that's not all it has. I could rebut and say that when you think of manga you think of overpowered guys with big swords, i.e. Final Fantasy, Bleach, Naruto, DBZ. But that's not true, and neither is your comment. Please don't make heinous claims like that.I'd say Manga because it has more variety and topics like romance, action, comedy etc. while Marvel only focuses on Superheroes and Villains like Spiderman, Captain America, The X-Men etc.
MARVEL .VS. MANGA
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Posted 06 July 2007 - 01:11 PM
MANGA ALL THE WAY!!!The stories, characters, and drawing is better (in my opinion =P!!!!)
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Posted 06 July 2007 - 02:41 PM
I like manga is better than marvel
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Posted 06 July 2007 - 08:14 PM
it's a little complex to simply compare the two. i generally read manga for adventure series with comedy. western style comics i read when i feel like following the trials and tribulations of a superhero. i won't make a choice because i like both all the same.
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Posted 06 July 2007 - 11:29 PM
This is a hard decision...i guess i'd choose manga, cuz in there are different manga and different plots. Marvel is good too, but all the superheroes seems invincible.
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Posted 07 July 2007 - 08:54 AM
I don't read much Marvel or any American comics,but I think that it's really a draw between Marvel and Manga...but it wouldn't be right to read any manga without ever reading any Marvel and vice versa.
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Posted 07 July 2007 - 10:55 AM
Could live without reading manga, some of it is alright though. Superheroes are kinda my thing though.
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Posted 07 July 2007 - 12:25 PM
Here's a general fact about me: I despise Marvel. Ask anyone I know, they'll tell you the same.While I don't have any particular reason why I dislike them, I simply do. From childhood to present, I couldn't stand Superman, Batman, Spiderman, all those people. Why it may not be entirely true, I find them one-dimesional. They don't stand out to me like manga does. I'll admit, not all manga is good. In fact, there is a lot of crap out there. But, honestly, some characters are so deep and human-like it's amazing.
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Posted 07 July 2007 - 05:24 PM
I have to say that the idea that Marvel is "more complex" than just super-heroes is a little.. superficial. Yes, they've had random non-superhero titles like Transformers, He-Man, some random (extremely bad) Horror comics, and Godzilla, but the vast majority of their comics have been super-heroes. They've not really branched out beyond Spider-man, X-Men, and the Avengers.The ultimate problem with Marvel and really most American comics and comic companies is that you have a constant change of writers and artists and you have editors that don't really reign these people in. This leads to conflicting stories that don't make much sense in the long run. For instance, we've been told for years that Lorna Dane aka Polaris is not the daughter of Magneto, that it was just a trick, now in one crazy swoop they've decided she suddenly is again and they drove her nuts (AGAIN!). The characters honestly get so very abused especially women (and if you want to try to argue against this.. go read Women in Refridgerators then we'll talk). Lorna Dane is probably one of the most abused heroines of all time! They've done just about everything to her short of her dying or getting raped and I'm sure that'll happen eventually. She's been de-powered, given new weird powers that she never had before, re-powered, possessed by evil forces, and driven insane (twice). She's been constantly with a guy since her first appearance first Iceman then Havok then Iceman then Havok. How insane is that? And that's just ONE character. Almost every female character in comics has been abused in some way similar to this because they're teated like second rate characters to the male characters. Heck, recent Marvel comics shows an almost constant need to shove any and every female character with another male character (Storm with Wolverine then with Black Panther, Annie with Havok, Polaris with Havok then Iceman then Havok again, Emma frost with Cyke, Marvel Girl with NightCrawler, Mystique with Gambit then with Iceman). I mean it's getting a little sick. We've seen countless female characters get abused recently too as Marvel does whatever they want with the character based on their sick whim at the moment. On top of that, you have an insane amount of cheesecake (aka T&A). Look at She-Hulk, which is a serious and mature title, yet almost EVERY cover has She-Hulk in some skimpy outfit.Now, as for the idea that Marvel has places outside of NYC, yeah.. every eon or so they branch out. Runaways was a brief experiment outside of New York, but it's already been killed. They also had the brief West Coast Avengers, but that didn't last either. Also, Runaways was never a major title nor a major seller. It's still pretty much all about New York for Marvel. They really don't branch out of that city often.As for Manga, I'm a little sick of people saying that Manga style is like all the same b/c if you've read a lot of Manga, you'd know that's not even close to true. Heck, even CLAMP's manga changes it's look depending on which artist they are using. But beyond that, you have some Manga like Kia Ayasimia's Batman which is dark with small eyes and sharp noses and then you have stuff like Sailor Moon with big eyes, small mouths and then you have Rurouni Kenshin and Evangelion which have more complex looks. Are their similarities? Sure, but no more so than the majority of American comics which always have big muscular sexy guys and big boobed sexy women. I mean other than Bouncing Boy, name a fat super-hero? And, how can you POSSIBLY say that American comics have "superior" coloring? The majority of a Manga is not colored, that is true, but I've yet to find a comic that doesn't have splash pages and splash pages can be just downright GORGEOUS. They use more color combinations and art styles that American colorists don't use. There has only been a few completely painted comics (I know of Suspria by Chaos! which has some of the beautiful colors of manga splash pages). Then you have the stuff that is "uber realistic" like Alex Ross's work which just makes all the males look like 30+ linebackers and the women like 40-50 year old women. Look at some of the splash pages from Sailor Moon, Takeuchi Naoko does some amazingly beautiful water colors. There is a richness and colors that are lacking in the majority of American comics. Ultimately though, Manga does win because it's a vastly more varied genre. It's also not released by one sole company. Now if you want Manga vs. American comics, well.. that is a more difficult question, but Manga in general would win simply because they have one artist, one writer and ONE vision. You don't have 20-30 different people working on the same vision and therefor the characters are so different from even issue to issue (I mean.. look at the relationship between Cyclops and Emma Frost, it makes no sense based on the history there. EVERYTIME in the past and I do mean everytime, Scott has picked Jean over everyone else and suddenly he starts chasing the psychopath who tried to kill him on numerous occasions because she's there?). There stories are vastly more varied too and honestly you have Manga that actually treats women with respect and there are gay characters in Manga too, both of which are very hard to find in Marvel and the majority of American comics.Say what you want in defense of Marvel, but I don't think there is much you can do to defend this company. I used to be a huge Marvel fan and I still love Claremont's run on X-Men, but it's honestly been at least 20 years since Marvel has been a solid company putting out a majority of solid titles. Heck, look at everything they've done in the last several years.. they're constantly trying to recapture the 80s. They're putting Spidey back in his black costume, brought back the New Mutants, Hellions, and Power Pack, brought back several very 80's characters, tried to relive a number of 80's plotlines (God Loves, Man Kills anyone?), and so much more. Heck, they've even gone so far as to try to relive the Gwen Stacy incident. They've tried to bring Ms. Marvel back as a solo character again. It's obvious that the writers and editors KNOW when Marvel was good and they're just constantly trying to emmulate that. It's too bad they're not capable of writing well enough to make it work.
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 05:15 AM
I would go for Marvel, just thinking about the better stories etc. And old youth sentiment of the cartoons from Marvel. (not even the comicbooks, but the animated series with still the same stories)
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 11:56 AM
MANGA KICKS MARVEL's BOTTOM
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 03:51 PM
Marvel, any day of the week. Manga tends to get too repetitive. Long battles that really shouldn't be that long. Boringly predictable battles, I might add. Put in bad guy, put in good guy. Good guy gets thrashed for a long time because the bad guy can read his moves while he can't read the bad guy's ones. Then when he's going to lose, he either has a flashback about a girlfriend that inspires him to try harder, or he suddenly gets a burst of inspiration that tells him how to win. How utterly droll. I tend to associate manga with shallow childhood. I used to like it when i was like, ten years old. Now I'm almost twenty, and they just seem kind of stupid to me. Marvel (western) comics tend to be darker and carry bigger questions and issues such as politics and sanity. Sorry people, but Manga sucks. If you don't agree yet, go and grow up first, then come back.
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 05:13 PM
walter.. spoken by someone who has NEVER read Manga. You know you should read some of the earlier posts that say if you don't know what you're talking about, keep your mouth shut because you just make yourself look stupid and you've proven that you're just stupid. Marvel comics deal with sanity? Really? Maybe by driving all their characters insane for NO REASON. You wanna talk about boring predictable battles? How about every couple of years when we have to have some lame Hero vs. Hero fight that is just a BIG MISUNDERSTANDING lead by some super bad villain then they get over the misunderstanding and the two (or two teams) team up and beat the big bad villain. Insanely predictable. There is a lot of Marvel and DC that gets insanely repeatitve and predictable. For instance, if a character dies, they'll be back. In recent years, Marvel has brought back just about EVERY dead super-hero to the point where Peter Milligan made a joke about the like 4 heroes that were still dead in X-Statix Pesents Dead Girl. Now as for Manga being shallow, sorry, but that's moronic. Go read Neon Genesis Evangelion. It's a story of a boy who has his world turned upside down, has a basic nervous breakdown and goes through some MASSIVE and severe changes because of what happens. THere is even one point in the Manga when he rapes a female character only to find out she is a clone of his mother! Talk about complex. Read Magic Knight Rayearth, the story of 3 girls whisked off into a magical land, given magical powers and giant robots to save the world in an RPG fantasy-type setting, only to discover that they may be the destruction of the world they've tried to protect! Read Death Note, a deep psychological mystery about a young boy who gets the ability to kill anyone by writing their name down on a note book. He chooses criminals and now a detective is out trying to discover his identity and stop him from killing again. Check out Fushigi Yuugi, a story of a young girl whisked off to a world inside of a book who is now forced to gather 7 warriors around her to allow her to return to her world and then she discovers her bestfriend has also traveled to this world and may be her biggest obsticle and greatest enemy. Yup all this stuff is SO shallow compared to the complexity of House of M where we drive a perfectly good character MAD just to get rid of all the mutants that will "CHANGE EVERYTHING FOREVER", but they're already working on undoing it. Or Civil War where they just make broad sweeping changes and kill off dozens of characters that will all forgotten in a year (like the LAST TIME they killed a bunch of heroes or made a bunch of changes that didn't stick). I can SOOOOOOOOOOO See that.In all honesty, there are extremely few comics that can TRULY compete with Manga in terms of writing, complexity of story, consistancy of art, and just over-all completeness. It comes from the fact that Manga, unlike most American comics, are the property of hte creator/creators and they decide how long it will last and they decide the over all story and the art style where American comics have a constistant change in writers. There are VERY few series that even the same writer stayed on the series for it's entirety at least if it's a long series (I can only think of a handful and I have them all). As soon as a new writer takes over, American comics can take a VASTLY different direction than it was ever intended to take (just look at X-Men since Claremont left from his initial run or heck, go more recent.. Morrison left his "New X-Men" and every writer after him has done just about everything possible to undo just about EVERYTHING he did, which is fine cause his stories sucked, but it's just so obvious).Marvel, any day of the week. Manga tends to get too repetitive. Long battles that really shouldn't be that long. Boringly predictable battles, I might add. Put in bad guy, put in good guy. Good guy gets thrashed for a long time because the bad guy can read his moves while he can't read the bad guy's ones. Then when he's going to lose, he either has a flashback about a girlfriend that inspires him to try harder, or he suddenly gets a burst of inspiration that tells him how to win. How utterly droll. I tend to associate manga with shallow childhood. I used to like it when i was like, ten years old. Now I'm almost twenty, and they just seem kind of stupid to me. Marvel (western) comics tend to be darker and carry bigger questions and issues such as politics and sanity. Sorry people, but Manga sucks. If you don't agree yet, go and grow up first, then come back.
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 01:55 AM
Marvel must win, marvel must win, marvel must win...
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 04:45 PM
Marvel because the stories are better.
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Posted 11 July 2007 - 04:17 PM
i like the Heros from Marvel but I like manga more for some reason
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Posted 11 July 2007 - 04:36 PM
for me.... Manga > Marvel 
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 12:36 AM
I say marvel is alright, but manga is the best... 
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 12:23 PM
i would prefer manga. i love the way they draw anime characters!!! 
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 04:20 PM
Its got to be manga anyday, especially Naruto.
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 05:24 PM
I prefer manga. Marvel never really got my interest.
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 05:26 PM
Mizkot please noteManga oldMarvel newMarvel is the best and full of SFX 
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