marriage no. civil union yes.
should gays have the right to marry? (homosexual marriage thread)
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 06:49 PM
First off, I'd like to thank you, alidemi, for making a logical and reasonable argument where so many have failed. I agree with your original post as well, and would like to add my own opinion.I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that that particular passage is something along the lines of "No man shall lie with man as he lies with woman." My personal opinion on this one is that it means that no man should 'lie' with another like they are subservient to them, like women were generally considered at the time. This of course leaves man to 'lie' with man as an equal(and presumably for a woman to 'lie' with another woman as equals). One of the most often quoted passages is the story of Sodom. It's basically this: Two angels travel to Sodom and find lodging with one of the villagers. In the night, all the men in the town come to the house and say something to the effect of: "send out the two men so we can have relations with them." The angels tell the man to leave the city with his family the next day and to not look back. while he's leaving, Sodom is destroyed by god and his wife looks back and is turned to a pillar of salt (What??). Saying that this means that homosexuality is wrong is fundamentally flawed. Are you telling me that if all the men had said, "send out you daughters(the guy in the story had two daughters too) so we can have sex with them," then god would be fine with that? I can hardly believe that.Apparently though, eating shellfish is just as bad as being gay, and somewhere in the Bible, it says it's okay to sell your daughters into slavery. I wonder how many anti-gay Christians have sold their own daughters into slavery. Wait, slavery is wrong, is it not? The law says so. So what is it? Is slavery wrong, or should you at least admit that the Bible (holy though it may be) was written by men(very sexist in their views to boot), and nobody can be right on absolutely everything; even less so in the time when the Bible was recorded. You can't pick and choose what to follow from the Bible and then say, without a doubt, that these things are right, and these things are wrong, without thinking seriously about why they should be wrong. Gay marriage doesn't infringe on the constitutional and natural rights of other people, and since denying them equal rights does do this, one can only conclude that people who are against gay marriage are breaking constitutional law and natural law, which is, I think, a lot worse than loving someone.As to it being a breakdown of the family unit because they can't reproduce, that's simply not true. Homosexual couples can adopt, use a surrogate mother or sperm donor(I've also heard that it is possible to create a sperm cell from an egg cell, allowing lesbian couples to have a child that is entirely their own[I'm pretty sure it would always result in a female child too{crap, women don't need us anymore}]). Also, studies have shown that the only effect that having same-sex couple parents is that the child is more likely to become homophobic than a child raised by a man and woman.There, I've said my thoughts, same-sex marriage should be allowed because it just plain right. People should not be denied their rights on any basis. Especially not on the basis of words from what can only be called an archaic document that may or may not be from god, but was certainly written by men, and as such, it shall contain flaws just as any other creation of man does.As for your curiosity - the passage of which I was referring to, if I remember correctly, was in the book of Leviticus. I don't claim to remember the exact wording of any particular part of it, but I do know this - any who read it could obviously see that when the Bible addressed homosexuality, it did not address it as a whole; that is, man and man, and woman and woman, but rather as just the former; saying something to the effect of - "no man shall lie with another man". It gives the idea that perhaps women with other women were not frowned upon - and from that observation - well, you can guess the rest.
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 07:09 PM
So, what you're saying is because you don't like it, it shouldn't be allowed?What if someone wanted to make playing ****ing Pokemon illegal just because they thought it was something they didn't like?it shouldn't be allowed. what would it feel if you were f..king at male person?
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 08:12 PM
I think it should not be allowed coz its overall stupid
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 08:54 PM
And why is that?Personally, I think all forms of marriage are stupid, gay or straight.I think it should not be allowed coz its overall stupid
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 09:54 PM
i think this should be allowed because they have a right to be together and there is no saying that they shouldnt be. Plus they will never succsed in stoping gays fully! (PS im not gay)
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Posted 04 June 2007 - 01:50 AM
Definitely. I don't see why anyone would want to stop two people who love each other from expressing that love.
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 02:31 AM
Of course. Love is love, no matter who is doing the loving. Some of you may think it's gross, but then what do they think of what you do?Also, I'd just like to say something about the bible references. It ALSO says that Noah (of the ark) raped his daughters. That part was edited out. Much of the bible has been edited to help the catholics to help spread their views.Durran, you make many valid points in this. May I use that post?
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 02:31 AM
Sure there is nothing wrong with two people who love each other. Anyways what is "Marriage" anyways, it's just a signed document by the state that says you are now allowed to share taxes, etc.
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 02:34 AM
I don't really care considering it does not involve me. I guess that I would say yes because I wouldn't mind it much.
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 10:17 AM
I got very angry when i saw this topic. NO it should not be allowed its bad enough i have to see gay people kissing in the streets but gay marriage will make it even worse and i will not be able to go outside any more.
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 10:31 AM
I can see where you're coming from. Seeing gays/lesbians showing affection in public IS quite unusual and, to some of you, maybe even disgusting. But, just because you don't like seeing them show affection for each other DOESN'T mean that Gay Marriage SHOULDN'T be allowed. I mean, they have the right to love someone, so they should also have the right to marry, or, in some cases, share a union.I got very angry when i saw this topic. NO it should not be allowed its bad enough i have to see gay people kissing in the streets but gay marriage will make it even worse and i will not be able to go outside any more.
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 04:10 PM
Somehow I can't accept Gay Marriage. That kind of love is just...yeah some of you understand that. I mean aren't we created to evolve the specie of human? Or are we created to love each other no matter the gender? Actually I don't know.
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 05:37 PM
I just wanted to add my $.02 to this particular part of your post. It's somewhat of a double-edged sword. Sodom and Gomorrah were laid to waste was for many reasons, not just "they had homosexuals there." So in that regard, using Sodom as justification for disallowing homosexuals to marry is bogus. There were plenty of other sins to be accounted for.On the other hand, child rape and incest were also two major issues for Sodom at that time, and those two sins clearly were a part of why they were punished. These two particular items are currently illegal (pretty much everywhere I can think of), and so it isn't much of a stretch to lump that in with "homosexuality is bad." Both are sins of a sexual nature. So why only disallow two of the three?I think there is enough scripture in the Bible to say that Christianity's stance is: homosexuality is wrong. But I think using Sodom as a point of argument, for either side, is a bad idea.I voted "Other"... Government should not be in the business of marriage. Marriage is a personal and/or religious institution and not a state institution.One of the most often quoted passages is the story of Sodom...
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 10:14 PM
Here is called the same way but they have a little problems cause they dont have the same rights than a married coupleMm. Over here we call it a Civil Partnership. Nobody seems to have a problem with it.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 12:00 AM
Yeah, I believe they should have the right to marry if they wish. After all, gay people are humans too, so in the U.S., under the constitution, they have right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If being married will make them happy, then to deny them that right would be denying their constitution-given rights.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 12:19 AM
some gays aren't gays they're just confused and careless so if those gays are married then they realize they made a stupid mistake making the marriage unsacred.The real gays should be allowed to get married but who knows which is which???
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 12:51 AM
Lots of straight people get married and then realize they made a stupid mistake. Should we stop them from getting married too?some gays aren't gays they're just confused and careless so if those gays are married then they realize they made a stupid mistake making the marriage unsacred.The real gays should be allowed to get married but who knows which is which???
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 01:28 AM
I'm harbor no bad feelings towards homosexuals. No homophobic tendencies whatsoever.But.I just don't consider them human.They negate our main purpose on earth, which is to create life. Oh sure - they can adopt a kid, but they had nothing to do with it's production.Religions beef with homosexuality is that is 'unnatural'. When a male turns to a male, or a girl turns to a girl, in their sexual lives, one of them must assume the position their counter-gender does naturally. Such as a male 'taking', and the female's usage of penetrative stimulants - instead of utilizing what their opposite sex naturally provides.That's what I like to call - going against your nature. Being unnatural.Being inhuman.But, as for them marrying? Whatever.Just not in a church.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 01:37 AM
Then never, ever use a highway you Nazi.To stay on-topic, though...I do believe they have every right to marriage.It doesn't affect anyone other than themselves, so whatever.should we really be even close to hitler? NEIN!
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 03:30 AM
when people say only people of the opposite sex are able to marry,thats discrimination..gays are also humans.. and humans should have equal rights..who told them >gays< to be what they are now..no one can control feelings,, or tell that person who to like..its not their fault if they fell in love with a person of the same gnder..if they truly love each other, and not because of planning to take advantage of the weakness of gays,, why not..
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 03:40 AM
I second that. You are right. But the Catholism religion would never accept, as well as buddhist or musulman. Don't ask about jewish, indian, or anything else, it's everyplace the same. And this is why people come and say "No they're outrageous. No right to marry". To be honnest i don't agree with marriage... in fact i don't agree with any religion at all. So i'd say "you want to live with him/her ? then go". If you are gay or not. Who should tell you what to do ? Isn't this a part of the free expression ? Aren,t you free to say whatever you want ? to do whatever you want ? then why are you relying on other for this case ? Comon get a grab on yourself and accept it as it is. Don't tell me straight people are "normal". cauz i have a question for those who said that.What in the world, is pre-destined to be "normal" ? What are the statement to be "normal". And everytime it end up with a full silence room... Since the eprson answer that, in fact, he's not normal at all. Being "gay" is as correct as being "straight". And the first to say it's false, well, try to repeat that in front of a gay. They're not all like in the movies... some are even more radical than you think. They're not alway crying (these are EMO, it's really not the same.) or screaming their love to others people in the street. That,s just exxageration from Media. Think of it a little. Are you "normal" ? Have a nice night... and don't make nightmare... cause with philosophic you'll just get headache with me around. lmaoTo answer the topic-subject : Yes, they have the right to. If they want !when people say only people of the opposite sex are able to marry,thats discrimination..gays are also humans.. and humans should have equal rights..who told them >gays< to be what they are now..no one can control feelings,, or tell that person who to like..its not their fault if they fell in love with a person of the same gnder..if they truly love each other, and not because of planning to take advantage of the weakness of gays,, why not..
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 05:27 AM
honestly i think that no one should put a ban on NETHING in this country . . . . ANYTHING! marriage is something that is widely considered a HOLY tradition. So if all of you are gonna complain about seperation of church and state that quit belly achin bout this.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 05:31 AM
I think its gonna eventually be legal anyway, so an opinion is not necessary 
