Not to mention Shinji & Co>>>>>any character Naruto has to offer.Perhaps Kensei simply liked it that way. Anyway, The flashback chapters rock! Naruto is great and all but the flashbacks in naruto are boring and pointless. The flashbacks in bleach are awesome because they reveal the answers of some serious questions.
[OFFICIAL] Bleach Anime/Manga Discussion
Started by Ish, Jul 28 2007 07:16 AM
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Posted 12 May 2008 - 09:18 AM
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Posted 14 May 2008 - 02:16 AM
I have to go with Subbed, once you hear it in japanese, english sounds odd.
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Posted 15 May 2008 - 03:26 PM
I loooove bleach! and so much very thanksness for the link to bleach exile: eps 169 an 170 here i come! >:-D
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Posted 15 May 2008 - 04:20 PM
i prefer sub since the voice is the original
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Posted 16 May 2008 - 07:47 AM
just finish reading the newest chapter. Kensei is control by his hollow now. at least from my POV
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Posted 16 May 2008 - 07:56 AM
Looks like Urahara's assistant manager is a much better ninja then I hough, Kido Captain no less.
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Posted 16 May 2008 - 10:17 AM
Yeah, Urahara's team and the Vaizards are getting more impressive with each chapter.So the Vaizard team is assembling, huh? I guess this is where they all start unleashing their hollows.
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Posted 16 May 2008 - 10:51 AM
I can't help but think it's cheap how they all conveinently got picked. Off course, I know it's only natural, if Ukitake went with them, he'd be a Vizard now and Shinji would be in the Soul Society for example. But it still feels cheap tome. As if they're rushing it. There's only going to be 1-2 more Pendelum Episodes I think.
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Posted 17 May 2008 - 08:15 AM
if all who went turn to vaizard then the number seem off. chances are they are killed because they cannot control their power by begging their captain friend
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 09:54 AM
soon it will be revealed how they become vizard
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 11:46 AM
the new chapter is translated. it is awesome I think. The strength of vaizard surprise me
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:12 PM
Yeah, nice chapter. Kensei looks like a beast (I wonder if that's his regular full mask transformation, or if he's this way because he's turning into a hollow), and Mashiro reminds me of Pesshe (Nell's insect-like friend). :PSeems like Urahara's team (well, Urahara and Tessai) are assembling, and setting themselves up for their expulsion for not following orders, and Urahara's responsibility for the Hougyoku that's bound to be involved in all this.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 06:04 AM
maybe Urahara is hoping to get that Vaizard power to stop everything but realised that way is incorrect
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:27 AM
Yeah, he was probably trying to end the cycle of shinigami and hollows killing each other, but found out that things could get out of hand if they fall into the wrong hands (Aizen).That, or he made the Hougyoku just for the sake of science and another method of surpassing ones limit, but then realized that it was irresponsible.Or, he still wants to achieve the perfect hybrid between hollow and shinigami, and everyone (including Aizen) is playing into his plan... 
Not likely, though, since he's provided too much help to the heroes. So I'll go with the first idea.
Not likely, though, since he's provided too much help to the heroes. So I'll go with the first idea.
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Posted 27 May 2008 - 05:27 AM
question. when such a thing happen. why were the Vaizard exiled. I mean they will prove to be the greatest asset to SS if they have such a powerhouse
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Posted 27 May 2008 - 09:08 AM
Yeah, you're right, they would be a huge asset. But I guess it's because of the strict rules of Soul Society, and how the whole system is built to fight hollows, so they would refuse to trust or accept anything that is linked to hollows like the Vaizards. The same with the reason for expelling Urahara.
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Posted 27 May 2008 - 05:42 PM
Quite the opposite. Exactly because they got "conveniently" picked they turned into the Vizard, it'd be illogical if those people weren't sent. You have to think chronologically.I can't help but think it's cheap how they all conveinently got picked. Off course, I know it's only natural, if Ukitake went with them, he'd be a Vizard now and Shinji would be in the Soul Society for example. But it still feels cheap tome. As if they're rushing it. There's only going to be 1-2 more Pendelum Episodes I think.
i do remember one thing.
it took hours and hours but.
by the time i was done with it.
i was so involved. i didn't even know what to think.
i carried it around with me for days. and days.
playing little games.
like. not looking at it for a whole day.
and then. looking at it.
to see if I still liked it.
i did.
it took hours and hours but.
by the time i was done with it.
i was so involved. i didn't even know what to think.
i carried it around with me for days. and days.
playing little games.
like. not looking at it for a whole day.
and then. looking at it.
to see if I still liked it.
i did.
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 04:56 AM
question again. if it is just because of the rules, why the Vaizards hate the shinigami and human so much? shinigami maybe but human?
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 08:14 AM
That's what I'm saying, chronologically it makes sense but since we aren't watching chronological order it still feels cheap. But whatever the case, I think it down plays Ichigo's battle to overcome his inner Hollow if everyone else succeeded without a single one who failed.Quite the opposite. Exactly because they got "conveniently" picked they turned into the Vizard, it'd be illogical if those people weren't sent. You have to think chronologically.
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 08:30 AM
I don't mind a little of both but sometimes the dubbed version just sounds a bit gay and random.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 07:06 AM
@ AW D.S:I can't remember anything that would indicate that the Vaizards hate humans, or even the shinigami for that matter. I think they started out seeming sinister because that adds suspense, but they only attacked Ichigo to test him and invite him to become one of them. After the initial introduction, the Vaizards seemed friendly enough, and Shinji even helped Ichigo and Rukia when they were having trouble with Grimjow. I might be forgetting something, though, so please remind me if I am.@ Shinji_Hirako:That's a good point, and Ichigo isn't short on belittlement these days (being barely on par with the 6th Espada and all), but when I think about it, the hollows we've seen them fight in the last few chapters (with the same number of empty clothes lying around) are probably shinigami who failed to control their transformation. While that still leaves us with all those who did make it transforming in one event (probably), we could say that it's because they're all so strong-willed. I'd assume you don't get to Captain/Vice-Captain rank until you're pretty in control of yourself.New chapter's out (-100).First reaction, Nanao looks really adorable as a child. 
Cute how she looks up to Lisa. I wonder what she thinks of her in the present, as a Vaizard.Second reaction, Bakudo 99... Hachigen means business. It would be interesting if he could train Inoue in the present, after she's saved and all, anyway.Third reaction, the Vaizards already knew about Aizen 100 years ago. 0_o; Now I'm starting to think they really do have a serious grudge against Soul Society, not letting them know about Aizen for all these years. But knowing Kubo, we should be getting a satisfactory explanation soon.Now that I think about it, the Aizen that Captain Shunsui saw's probably an illusion, so if the Vaizards are expelled directly out of Soul Society now without interacting with anyone, no one would have anything to hold on Aizen.
Cute how she looks up to Lisa. I wonder what she thinks of her in the present, as a Vaizard.Second reaction, Bakudo 99... Hachigen means business. It would be interesting if he could train Inoue in the present, after she's saved and all, anyway.Third reaction, the Vaizards already knew about Aizen 100 years ago. 0_o; Now I'm starting to think they really do have a serious grudge against Soul Society, not letting them know about Aizen for all these years. But knowing Kubo, we should be getting a satisfactory explanation soon.Now that I think about it, the Aizen that Captain Shunsui saw's probably an illusion, so if the Vaizards are expelled directly out of Soul Society now without interacting with anyone, no one would have anything to hold on Aizen.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 10:42 AM
Well Gagagan summed things up pretty nicely, but Vizards didn't seem friendly in their first introduction. Hiyori intending to kill Orihime and all.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 12:35 PM
wonder will we see Isshin the former 11 diversion captain of that time( reason is because of Urahara. I will not state them cause it seem reather obivious)@Gagagansorry it should be the other way. shinigamis and humans hate Vaizards. it is at chapter 190
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 12:54 PM
@ Shinji_Hirako:Yeah, but I think that's just how Hiyori is. 
Shinji did stop her, anyhow.@ AW D.S:I guess they just don't trust them because they're different. Though now that Inoue has gotten over Ichigo being a Vaizard, she and other humans should be more accepting of them. Maybe the Vaizards' role in the upcoming battle (once this flashback is over) will make them allies of the shinigami, too.You mean it was stated that Kurosaki Isshin was the 11th division captain? I hope not, since that would mean that Kenpachi's predecessor beat him, as is the tradition of the 11th division. Unless he left without a fight and created an empty spot for his successor to take. That would explain why Kenpachi was able to beat that captain easily, and we'd know that Isshin is the power type, who once stood at the top of the power-based division.Unless there was a division culture change after Isshin left, like when Urahara took over the 12th and gradually made it a research division. This is all if Isshin is confirmed to have been the 11th division captain. Confusing? 
Shinji did stop her, anyhow.@ AW D.S:I guess they just don't trust them because they're different. Though now that Inoue has gotten over Ichigo being a Vaizard, she and other humans should be more accepting of them. Maybe the Vaizards' role in the upcoming battle (once this flashback is over) will make them allies of the shinigami, too.You mean it was stated that Kurosaki Isshin was the 11th division captain? I hope not, since that would mean that Kenpachi's predecessor beat him, as is the tradition of the 11th division. Unless he left without a fight and created an empty spot for his successor to take. That would explain why Kenpachi was able to beat that captain easily, and we'd know that Isshin is the power type, who once stood at the top of the power-based division.Unless there was a division culture change after Isshin left, like when Urahara took over the 12th and gradually made it a research division. This is all if Isshin is confirmed to have been the 11th division captain. Confusing?
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 05:09 PM
I don't think it was tradition that the successor needs to kill the current 11th captain it's a rule that goes for all squads. And judging by the Ikkaku flashback, the culture changed was done by Zaraki himself.
