A group of organized people who are all making leaps of faith! I think that is the most simple explanation I can come up with. Evolution isnt a leap of faith because when logically thought about it can be understood very easily. Look at darwins birds they can help explain better than me.
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Here's my understanding of evolution, try this on for size:God created the first beings, bacteria. Over billions of years, they evolved into more and more complex beings, eventually becoming apes and the predecessors to humans. At some point, the first true Homo Sapien was born/created - this first Homo Sapien was Adam, and the second, a woman, was Eve.This is pretty much the only way I can see of this being reasonable. I'm not saying I believe in it one way or the other, though. I just consider this as a possible explanation for life as we know it.EDIT: And to Iron_Lung, when you read this: Thanks a lot for the information! I've been bouncing between this and my homework and didn't have time to go Google it. It takes a special kind of person to go out of his way and research a religion that isn't his. :PI'm signing off for the night as well, I'll be continuing this discussion tomorrow. 
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so, SO true man.I am also a Christian....just find it tough sometimes to always do the right thing.....I believe in the teachings....I'm just soooo full of sin someitmes
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I believe in a Triune God, if that makes sense. A lot of religions do. 1 God with 3 persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) Going through confirmation only made my faith grow more. I think that God has everything set out for us from day one, before we're even born. He names us, he maps out our lives...he has a plan for every single person. And I believe that Christ will come again and judge whether we go to Heaven or Hell. And since I have faith in Christ and what he did to relieve my sins, then I know I will go to Heaven. It's not a question in my mind...
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Thats very interesting and I cant argue with that. There were no judgements made about others or preconceptions. What do you believe about those who believe in God but not jesus? Will we burn in hell? Or will we be judged by our faith?
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well if you look at evolution like that then yes it does happen darwin studied more on the change of a species in a population. which proves. A. it would change a species but not enough to change it into living beings (if we were talking about single cell organisms)B. a population is the number of a single species in an area. C. Darwin was a quack who thought he knew things, such as truths of the real world and such he only looked at what he could see.A group of organized people who are all making leaps of faith! I think that is the most simple explanation I can come up with. Evolution isnt a leap of faith because when logically thought about it can be understood very easily. Look at darwins birds they can help explain better than me.
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Ok this would be how it goes, Bacteria are born somehow and the earth is a huge ball of lava at whatever distance is it at from the sun. Some bacteria born have the genes altered by radiation*which happens rather frequently by the way* These mutated bacteria start living in a way different from the other bacteria and the race for survival begins. Do you get where I am going with this? Difference cannot really occur in bacteria with mutation.
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We may never be able to know where Bacteria came from,but we all have to accept we came from them.Faith is just a state of being that makes us feel reverent for another worldy being,however,that worldy being doesn't exist.We all originated from one thing,and it's the Big Bang,PERIOD.Even though it's just a theory,it's the most believable and realistic out of any theories that came forth.Also,most of the Bible's literature is just made up stories by people that believed in religion,for it is not possible for an world-wide flood.Here are some more examples.It's not possible to create the world in seven days.The Garden of Eden is just false,because no apples can tell you right from wrong.As for Jesus in the desert for forty days,the devil was just mostly a hallucination.The Walls of Jericho can't just fall down after a week of walking around it.Peace,Ludakris.
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Wow, saw the topic, and couldn't resist posting something.A little info about me first of all:I used to go to church when I was little, but later kinda dropped out of the faith. I havn't found a single religion that suits me best so far, but as for the topic of a God.......I think the Greeks had the best idea that there was one God of Gods (such as Chronus or Zeus) but he didn't really take care of much aside from administration. There were many other 'employees' of the big honcho who did all the work. For those of you who want to read an interesting opinion on the whole God thing, here's an exerpt from the comedian George Carlin's new book "When will Jesus bring the pork chops" (title meant to offend the 3 major religions -- christians, cathlics, and muslims, AND the vegetarians) -- and I apologize to any people who take religion WAY to seriously in advance--"When it comes to 
, big-time, major league , you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good story. Holy Shyte! But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is freaked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of Shyte you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful donkey a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever freak things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a Shyte. Doesn't give a Shyte, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results. So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a Shyte, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on. And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us. Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite. I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend. But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to freak that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan? Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and freak up Your Plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the freak bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing. So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't freak around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with. For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that 
out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat. So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself. And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!"This is not necessicarily MY point of view, but it's an interesting one to say the least. This quote is straight from Carlin in 1999.Whoo boy I can't wait to see people's reaction to this.
, big-time, major league , you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good story. Holy Shyte! But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is freaked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of Shyte you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful donkey a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever freak things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a Shyte. Doesn't give a Shyte, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results. So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a Shyte, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on. And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us. Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite. I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend. But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to freak that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan? Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and freak up Your Plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the freak bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing. So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't freak around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with. For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat. So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself. And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!"This is not necessicarily MY point of view, but it's an interesting one to say the least. This quote is straight from Carlin in 1999.Whoo boy I can't wait to see people's reaction to this.
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Posted 18 February 2005 - 08:01 AM
the purpose of life is to end
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Posted 18 February 2005 - 08:43 AM
Hey ludakris,A.With god anything is possible such as making the earth in seven days.B. Who knows what kind of fruit it was, as a public we made it out to be an apple. and if you would read god told adam and eve not to eat the apple. It was not a talking piece of fruit that told them "eat me!"C. Jesus was in the dersert for forty days and forty nights and was tempted everyday of those 40. so hence if satan was a hallucination he would have been in the desert for at least 2 or 3 days before that happened.D. Actually walls tend to fall...who knows they might have been very old walls....and they fell. or maybe god made them fall...no wait....he did make them fall.
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I thought that was pretty stupid. =/Other than the part about the prayers and God's Divine Plan, that was actually pretty good. But yeah, the rest of it was crap. That was an actual book, you say? Jeez, it sounds like an angsty 14 year old ranting in their journal about how all-knowing they are for being rational and seeing that God obviously can't exist.Wow, saw the topic, and couldn't resist posting something.A little info about me first of all:I used to go to church when I was little, but later kinda dropped out of the faith. I havn't found a single religion that suits me best so far, but as for the topic of a God.......I think the Greeks had the best idea that there was one God of Gods (such as Chronus or Zeus) but he didn't really take care of much aside from administration. There were many other 'employees' of the big honcho who did all the work. For those of you who want to read an interesting opinion on the whole God thing, here's an exerpt from the comedian George Carlin's new book "When will Jesus bring the pork chops" (title meant to offend the 3 major religions -- christians, cathlics, and muslims, AND the vegetarians) -- and I apologize to any people who take religion WAY to seriously in advance---snip-This is not necessicarily MY point of view, but it's an interesting one to say the least. This quote is straight from Carlin in 1999.Whoo boy I can't wait to see people's reaction to this.
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First of all, I would like to point out that it is possible to have a worldwide flood. What happens if all of the polar ice caps melt? I'm sure that it would cover a very good portion of the earth, if not all of it.Now, on the subject of the Big Bang theory. Here's a nice site that summarizes it:Big Bang TheoryWe all originated from one thing,and it's the Big Bang,PERIOD.Even though it's just a theory,it's the most believable and realistic out of any theories that came forth.Also,most of the Bible's literature is just made up stories by people that believed in religion,for it is not possible for an world-wide flood.
Now, I have a question that this doesn't answer. How can something be infinitely compressed? No matter how much you compress something, there would always be a way to make it smaller and smaller and smaller. Matter cannot be infinite - the only thing that could possibly be infinite is God himself. If something is infinitely compressed, that means that it has been compressed and squeezed until it is so tiny, that it cannot possibly get any smaller. Guess what? The only time something can't get any smaller is when it doesn't exist anymore. Essentially, the theory says that everything came from nothing. This can't be true, unless there truly was nothing until God created it.The theory asserts that the universe originated a finite time ago by expanding from an infinitely compressed state.
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I guess people feel te need to believe in a higher power for creating us cuz they cant imagine that all of this could have happened whitout GOD 
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OK Okkie. So what's your explanation of how this world/universe was created? I'll be more than happy to listen.
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This is the most beautiful thing that I have ever read that totally destroys that stupid big bang theory. THANK YOU!!!Now, I have a question that this doesn't answer. How can something be infinitely compressed? No matter how much you compress something, there would always be a way to make it smaller and smaller and smaller. Matter cannot be infinite - the only thing that could possibly be infinite is God himself. If something is infinitely compressed, that means that it has been compressed and squeezed until it is so tiny, that it cannot possibly get any smaller. Guess what? The only time something can't get any smaller is when it doesn't exist anymore. Essentially, the theory says that everything came from nothing. This can't be true, unless there truly was nothing until God created it.
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My idea or that just didn't make sense. As far as I know nobody knows wether the universe is infinite or not (and if it is, it's possibly in some kind of circular cycle). Also matter cannot be destroy, it becomes energy. If you could compress all matter as you said, you would end up with massives amount of energy and that's not "nothing."Anyway, if God exist we are nothing more than lab rats or something.This is the most beautiful thing that I have ever read that totally destroys that stupid big bang theory. THANK YOU!!!Now, I have a question that this doesn't answer. How can something be infinitely compressed? No matter how much you compress something, there would always be a way to make it smaller and smaller and smaller. Matter cannot be infinite - the only thing that could possibly be infinite is God himself. If something is infinitely compressed, that means that it has been compressed and squeezed until it is so tiny, that it cannot possibly get any smaller. Guess what? The only time something can't get any smaller is when it doesn't exist anymore. Essentially, the theory says that everything came from nothing. This can't be true, unless there truly was nothing until God created it.
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Posted 18 February 2005 - 06:54 PM
True, true. Matter can become energy, and vice versa (at least theoretically).Here's some more food for thought: could you say that God is energy? That, infact, he controls all energy, and that he created all matter from his own energy, and that his energy is infinite?What other explanations do we have for how energy exists?
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Posted 18 February 2005 - 06:56 PM
Kenshin, you take things far too seriously. Notw how he's a COMEDIAN. Listen to some of his other acts before you decide if George, who sells out audiences all over the world, is just like an "angsty 14 year old"
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Oh, and on a humorous note:You all know that when something terrible happens to a person who believes in God, we say, "Oh my God!"What do those of you who don't believe in God say? "Oh my monkey?"
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i don`t have an explanation about how the world was created , in fact I don`t think wee are gonna have one for the next millenium.But I prefer not to fall in the sillyness and arrogance of saying that I have the explanation and atribute it to a superor force.We have to acept what we don`t know as human beings and not invent fairy tales to explane what we can`t explane , lets just try to find a real, logical and acceptable answer.Maybe we`ll never find it but its better toi seek the true than to take the easiest explanation that we dind only because other people do.The bible es a novel and a pretty good one , but as a novel it came from man`s imagination so it doesn`t have more credability than any other "holy" book.The people eho pray should start DOING things to solve there problems and not lay waiting for a superior power ( I assume they believe inferior) to help them.
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Oh, but I just gave you a logical answer.Think about it: all matter formed from energy according to the big bang theory. According to all holy books, God created everything. According to those same books, he also has infinite power and energy.Is that so illogical?And, while I can't speak for the Bible, read the Quran and find a place in it where it defys science. I sure can't find one.EDIT: 250th reply in this topic. B)
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Posted 18 February 2005 - 07:15 PM
I don't believe such a thing as absolute infinite exists but that' good theory mplacki. But what botters me is wheter or not this energy has a "conscious" or does it simply exists and that's it? The existence of such a being, if not scary, seem a little pointless.
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Guest_stubblehamster
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Posted 18 February 2005 - 08:48 PM
wheres my last quote! its gone!
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Guest_mootrix
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Posted 18 February 2005 - 08:51 PM
the world whas there always ! ACCEPT IT ! theres no god there are no aliens ! we are alone becuz of the the unique conditions ! U guys just don't wanna feel alone thats why they had 2 hav such a story !
