God real or not?

If god existed why do we have a world full of terrorism , pain and hurt , as well as natural disasters such as hurricanes , typhoons , bush fires and flooding ? What about Cancers and Aids and other diseases like Diabetes or Epilepsy ? Why are some cultures rich while others are poor ? Are you saying that these are all caused because of human sins ?

Well, all sin is a result of man's intial sin in the Garden of Eden. So yes, all sin was brought upon by man. Read the first few chapters of Genesis. As far as natural disasters, well, they are NATURAL disasters. Sin does not apply unless it was done by a person with bad intentions.

Edited by bale, 03 October 2005 - 05:20 PM.

If god existed why do we have a world full of terrorism , pain and hurt , as well as natural disasters such as hurricanes , typhoons , bush fires and flooding ? What about Cancers and Aids and other diseases like Diabetes or Epilepsy ? Why are some cultures rich while others are poor ? Are you saying that these are all caused because of human sins ?

Well, all sin is a result of man's intial sin in the Garden of Eden. So yes, all sin was brought upon by man. Read the first few chapters of Genesis. As far as natural disasters, well, they are NATURAL disasters. Sin does not apply unless it was done by a person with bad intentions.

So its not a sin if it done by a person with good intentions ??? So a women who kills her wife beating husband hasnt commited a sin because her good intentions was to stop being beaten ? Or a poor man who robs a bank to buy food for his family hasnt commited a sin because his family is starving ?Natural disasters are a part of earth BUT if god created earth he also must of created natural disasters , so god is a sadist who wants to hurt people . Or god never existed and earth was created by the big bang theory .

If god existed why do we have a world full of terrorism , pain and hurt , as well as natural disasters such as hurricanes , typhoons , bush fires and flooding ? What about Cancers and Aids and other diseases like Diabetes or Epilepsy ? Why are some cultures rich while others are poor ? Are you saying that these are all caused because of human sins ?

Well, all sin is a result of man's intial sin in the Garden of Eden. So yes, all sin was brought upon by man. Read the first few chapters of Genesis. As far as natural disasters, well, they are NATURAL disasters. Sin does not apply unless it was done by a person with bad intentions.

So its not a sin if it done by a person with good intentions ??? So a women who kills her wife beating husband hasnt commited a sin because her good intentions was to stop being beaten ? Or a poor man who robs a bank to buy food for his family hasnt commited a sin because his family is starving ?Natural disasters are a part of earth BUT if god created earth he also must of created natural disasters , so god is a sadist who wants to hurt people . Or god never existed and earth was created by the big bang theory .

It's still a sin. I believe it has been said, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." You're really just making a big deal over nothing. Christians believe what they believe, you believe what you believe. Neither one of you can scientifically prove your beliefs more than the other.

So its not a sin if it done by a person with good intentions ??? So a women who kills her wife beating husband hasnt commited a sin because her good intentions was to stop being beaten ? Or a poor man who robs a bank to buy food for his family hasnt commited a sin because his family is starving ?Natural disasters are a part of earth BUT if god created earth he also must of created natural disasters , so god is a sadist who wants to hurt people . Or god never existed and earth was created by the big bang theory .

Why is that even still a possibility? Our atmosphere requires O2 to fuction and support life, what supplies the atmosphere requires CO2 to support life, and what supplies the O2 needs CO2 to keep what supplies the CO2 alive. Now, what does that mean? It means that Animals, plants, and the atmosphere were formed, created, or whatever, at the same time. This thought is really hard to speak against because I've tried to disprove it myself as any thinker or scientist should. As for that whole sinning to help others, a sin is a sin and that is absolute. For the punishment of sin is death, and men have sinned and are deserving of death.

Edited by kemutsemu, 03 October 2005 - 11:44 PM.

I live without being privy to servitude to some religion, or running around in dark clothes trying to sacrifice a human virgin to the Lord of the Flies himself. I LIVE LIFE. I aint gonna stand around wonderin all the time if I'm gonna go to hell cause I accidently THOUGHT about someone's girl(yes, even a wandering thought about how hot someone's chick is falls under two sins, Lust, and Coveting.):obeyme: , or I'm not goin to be a grand general in hell's armies for killing 1000 people in cold blood with a spoon. :RTFM: I'll be happy to just croak one day and that be the end of it. I don't know whether or not God exists, and to say the least... I don't care. And please don't get on the subject of christianity, there's so many loopholes, contradicting factoids, and just plain hypocrisy it aint funny. I've never seen such a skewed view of life.

It's strange that without religion there are no morals. I mean if i didn't believe in an after life (heaven/hell) whats stopping me from making a dishonest living and reaping the benefits in this life at the expense of others?The argument of it being a 'bad deed' wouldn't bother me.And in many cases the criminals own the justice system. So that argument too would not be enough.

I have no intention of starting an argument with anyone. As per your answer to whats stopping you, it's pretty obvious. You.

I live without being privy to servitude to some religion, or running around in dark clothes trying to sacrifice a human virgin to the Lord of the Flies himself. I LIVE LIFE. I aint gonna stand around wonderin all the time if I'm gonna go to hell cause I accidently THOUGHT about someone's girl(yes, even a wandering thought about how hot someone's chick is falls under two sins, Lust, and Coveting.):obeyme: , or I'm not goin to be a grand general in hell's armies for killing 1000 people in cold blood with a spoon. :RTFM: I'll be happy to just croak one day and that be the end of it. I don't know whether or not God exists, and to say the least... I don't care. And please don't get on the subject of christianity, there's so many loopholes, contradicting factoids, and just plain hypocrisy it aint funny. I've never seen such a skewed view of life.

Why is it that whenever someone says this they never give any examples? I say evolution can't work in conjunction with the big bang theory and I give an example. Yes, there are hypocrites within the Church, but it's expected that everyone screw up, but I can see where you're coming from if you were just talking about the Catholic Church.

I dont think theres a god, like kyoya I dont want to think if there is a hell or not. Seems pretty tiring to make yourself obey these rules everyday.

...Ten rules, rules that only hypocrites, criminals, anarchists, vulgar people, adulters, and sex addicts will ever break. I hate the generalization that all Christians are robots and have to be, because I'm the freaking anitphasis of that.

personally, i'm a christian.but i wouldn't call myself religious. i don't like to think of it as a "religion", more like a "relationship".religion is flawed... because man is flawed.

religion is flawed... because man is flawed.[/quote]That's a good way to think man. Having a belief in religion is fine, but people kill over it. When you have an idea about a religion, you can change it or keep it, not to many people can argue with an idea. *Dogma*

Dang, this thing is STILL going on? :blink:But anyways since i'm here, I might as well provide a little brain food to gnaw on: "If we knew whether an almighty being existed or not, wouldn't that just kill the whole point to faith?"

Edited by Dnasty, 05 October 2005 - 06:56 PM.

Dang, this thing is STILL going on? :blink:But anyways since i'm here, I might as well provide a little brain food to gnaw on: "If we knew whether an almighty being existed or not, wouldn't that just kill the whole point to faith?"

Ooh ... I love stuff like that. It wouldn't kill the whole point of faith, it'd just change it up a little.If everyone KNOWS and ACCEPTS that God exists, then our faith would be in any everyday occurences, so there would still be faith .. like counting on God.

Dang, this thing is STILL going on? :blink:But anyways since i'm here, I might as well provide a little brain food to gnaw on: "If we knew whether an almighty being existed or not, wouldn't that just kill the whole point to faith?"

Ooh ... I love stuff like that. It wouldn't kill the whole point of faith, it'd just change it up a little.If everyone KNOWS and ACCEPTS that God exists, then our faith would be in any everyday occurences, so there would still be faith .. like counting on God.

Ahh but now, would you contend that your notion would still hold true in just the opposite situation?Hoho, Devil's advocate

Edited by Dnasty, 05 October 2005 - 07:59 PM.

Ahh but now, would you contend that your notion would still hold true in just the opposite situation?Hoho, Devil's advocate

The number of people faithful to anything has no effect on truth value in any instance. And the most popular holy book around would say that in the end less than one thousand will still believe despite persecution. If this isn't taken litterally, it seems to mean that under any circumstance there will always be a group that holds a faith opposite to the masses. In other words, faith can't die and this holds true even if God does exist. I guess that's it... :NOTE: If you own a copy of the Bible look around to see what happens once the millenial kingdom has fallen and you'll see what I mean.

Edited by kemutsemu, 05 October 2005 - 08:59 PM.

Well, that wasn't exactly what I was asking. But it's all good (Y) I was actually trying to pose the question: "Would the concept of faith just 'merely change' if it was proven without a doubt that an almighty being doesn't exist, as oppossed to if an almighty being was proven to exist."

Well, that wasn't exactly what I was asking. But it's all good (Y) I was actually trying to pose the question: "Would the concept of faith just 'merely change' if it was proven without a doubt that an almighty being doesn't exist, as oppossed to if an almighty being was proven to exist."

I'm not quite sure what you mean by concept but if it were without a doubt dis/proven it would no longer be required because it would now have absolute truth value.

Is it true that a large percent of Americans are atheists? Is this right?

Is it true that a large percent of Americans are atheists? Is this right?

Meh ... it depends on your definition of "large" in this case. 2% could be a lot because 2% could end up being thousands of people. Unless you mean proportionally compared to the other religions/beliefs.Christianity is currently the most popular belief in the United States, as well as, I think, but don't quote me on this, the world.

i believe there's a allmighty being which we called god, but here a question is he or she a dude or a dudette?

Christianity is currently the most popular belief in the United States, as well as, I think, but don't quote me on this, the world.

Hmmm...but I heard the USA doesn't have a perfect record on religion.

Hmmm...but I heard the USA doesn't have a perfect record on religion.

Nor does any other world power or country for that matter.

God is something in your mind, so if you believes that He exists He would exist.But if you don't care to God then to you He is just your conscience.

God is something in your mind, so if you believes that He exists He would exist.But if you don't care to God then to you He is just your conscience.

... Everyone breaths air. You can think you don't have to breath air, but it won't do you any good while you're underwater. In other words, relativity= someone's craptastic excuse for being wrong.

Ah good point but if you are certain there is a God then if anything strange or miraculous happens you will say God did it but if you don't believe in a God then its more like HOLY SH*T, HOW'D THAT HAPPEN???

Like the huge number of coincidential occurences that'd be required for evolution to work in unison with the big bang in our favor like it seems to have? Out of the two possibilities, evolution is the least likely.