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God real or not?
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:32 AM
But what I said still valid its matter of YOUR OWN OPINION!It's like the storie that says that when you stop dreamin' you kill a fairy.(well that last one is a weird coment )
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:42 AM
You're saying you last comment is still valid? If so, then by all means, believe that you don't have to breathe and that you can withstand over ten thousand pounds of water pressure until you can dive long enough to find Atlantis and take pictures of it. If not, you have my apologies. And yeah... that last one was wierd...But what I said still valid its matter of YOUR OWN OPINION!It's like the storie that says that when you stop dreamin' you kill a fairy.(well that last one is a weird coment
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:46 AM
OK then kemutsemu, what do you believe happened in our creation and what are your beliefs about god? You haven't really said, you've just tried to rebut others...
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 01:06 AM
Hm? I've said'em more than fourty pages back. I'm a Christian and I hate relativity. I hate relativity because there are absolute truths that absolutely no one, and I mean no one, can change. I hate evolution because it's just as flawed as relativity is. Please don't ask me why I say it's flawed because I've already given an idea that only one person has spoken against more than ten times. And I have absolutely no problem with any religion.OK then kemutsemu, what do you believe happened in our creation and what are your beliefs about god? You haven't really said, you've just tried to rebut others...
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 01:24 AM
I don't think we can use God just like he's the why of some things that the science can't understand. Obviously I might be mistaken, but we should look God as...yeah...as God....he is him....this can be kind of difficult to understand but...there's no other way to explain who's him....I'm not saying that somebody said this...but....you don't have to see miracles or have visions of them (God, Jesus, The holy Spirit and Mary) to believe, they just exist and we must follow our faith...just as Jesus said to...I think to Tomas (you know, I'm argentinian and English isn't my first language so ther're things that I don't know how to translate) "You don't have to see to believe" (this was when Jesus came back to life and Tomas was the only one that didn't believe this until he saw Jesus and put his fingers in his hands)...This was the first time that I spoke like that in a public way of him...GOD
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 01:36 AM
well i belive in a more intersting belifethe creator is chaos you can not pry to chaosand by thas belife as we see it will be unlogical (if you pry and ask god to do something way shold he i mean if he has his own plans and if he controls life he dous not need youre pryrs)you see i was born a jow but i prefar to look for some thing more logicaltoday you can say i am a shamen and that is my faithbut shamnizam is more of what you do than what you belive inso i take myself as a belvier in a cirten god like sorce but i can not bilive in any of the known relginsso you can say i am athest but i do belive in god in some way
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 01:49 AM
First of all...God never controled our lives....we do what we want...he gave us that possibility...if God controls our lives...do you think he lets wars to happen or things like that? no....he give us the possibility to choose what to do no matter the consequences...it wouldn't have sense if he controled our lives...he can do it but he doesn't...It's okay if you're kind of an atheist...I respect you but you should try to..I don't know...learn about some religion and see if you're interested in that one....God want us all to convert into Christians..but we can choose...God want it...but some people just ingore him...I'm not saying that's bad...It could be that someone never heard of him...that's why people...look for information or something...I hope you understand(yeah I know...I mixed a lot of topics...but just for you to understand n_n)well i belive in a more intersting belifethe creator is chaos you can not pry to chaosand by thas belife as we see it will be unlogical (if you pry and ask god to do something way shold he i mean if he has his own plans and if he controls life he dous not need youre pryrs)you see i was born a jow but i prefar to look for some thing more logicaltoday you can say i am a shamen and that is my faithbut shamnizam is more of what you do than what you belive inso i take myself as a belvier in a cirten god like sorce but i can not bilive in any of the known relginsso you can say i am athest but i do belive in god in some way
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 04:44 AM
REally now?? And i Quote "How do you explain creation?" Simply put, evolution! If you cannot prove god, then why preach? These are only beliefs that people probably made up! The bible is simply a good fiction book, like Enders Game or some other good book. Nobody can prove a higher being, nobody can disprove IT either. Gimme proof of IT and gimme proof of Intelligent Design. That at least.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 06:49 AM
Symbiotic relationship between animals, plants, and the atmosphere. For the atmosphere to support life it needs oxygen, plants need CO2 to produce oxygen, animals need oxygen to produce CO2. All three had to formed at the same time for life to be possible. Dead plants do produce CO2, but if there were no atmosphere, there'd be no time for plants to adapt and produce enough oxygen to create an atmosphere. There, evolution= possibly disproved. There, the eleventh time I've said that. Note, if evolution is absolutely thrown out the door, there's absolutely no reason to remain an atheist because it isn't justified without another possiblity of the universe coming into being.REally now?? And i Quote "How do you explain creation?" Simply put, evolution! If you cannot prove god, then why preach? These are only beliefs that people probably made up! The bible is simply a good fiction book, like Enders Game or some other good book. Nobody can prove a higher being, nobody can disprove IT either. Gimme proof of IT and gimme proof of Intelligent Design. That at least.
In Hinduism I think there's around that many, but I think you only have to focus on one.Yo is it true that polytheistic people like have 10000 gods. my teacher said some droppings about it i think
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 02:50 PM
That's true...but you should explain of which order you're talking about....'cause If you're talking about the Earth's one....we are the ones that make things a disaster....Maybe God's trying to make order here but the humans (NOT all) don't let him....so....just explain yes?
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 06:55 PM
What order do you talk about?The world is submersed in war and poverty!And for me if God exists, he just has the work to create us but don't manage it.And if you hate relativity and evolution, so tou should only pray and wait for the rest of your days with your simple country life....And I have to apologize if I made some of you angry with my coments, but is that what I think.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 07:17 PM
Hey God can do everything he wants...as I explained before...he gave us the opportunity to choose and we select this type of life...obiously almost nobody want it but we have to change everything..not God..God obviously will help us but we must do something to change the poverty or something..so don't say that God has the fault (I know you didn't say it in that way but according to what you wrote...) 'cause he hasn't..It's our fault
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 07:29 PM
the religion along with catholic church(no offenses for the catholics) are the biggest lucrance institutions that play with man neccesity to believe in someone.Ido believe in god because the world itīs so poerfect that someone must create us .But i do not believe in religion all they want is money and power.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 07:31 PM
Meh .... I didn't say it had a "perfect" record. I said that Christianity has the most believers in the US.Hmmm...but I heard the USA doesn't have a perfect record on religion.Christianity is currently the most popular belief in the United States, as well as, I think, but don't quote me on this, the world.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 08:51 PM
Ah, stereotypes... a simple insult that is cast mostly when someone is backed into a corner. No, you didn't make me angry, because you didn't say anything offensive. Why should I bother praying over relativity and evolution if there's such a good chance that I've disproved them? The order that he spoke of was the order that was required for our existance to be possible and to last so long, should you want an example of this, just look back at my earlier post. If you can't argue against something, don't argue at all.What order do you talk about?The world is submersed in war and poverty!And for me if God exists, he just has the work to create us but don't manage it.And if you hate relativity and evolution, so tou should only pray and wait for the rest of your days with your simple country life....And I have to apologize if I made some of you angry with my coments, but is that what I think.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 03:08 AM
[quote name='kemutsemu' date='Oct 8 2005, 06:51 PM' post='742734'][/quote] Ah, stereotypes... a simple insult that is cast mostly when someone is backed into a corner. No, you didn't make me angry, because you didn't say anything offensive. Why should I bother praying over relativity and evolution if there's such a good chance that I've disproved them? The order that he spoke of was the order that was required for our existance to be possible and to last so long, should you want an example of this, just look back at my earlier post. If you can't argue against something, don't argue at all.[/quote]I'll back him up on that, stereotyping is a...well I don't even understand why people do it, it's just that useless.Back to the point, about the order thing, well, to a point we have some order in the world, but nothing ideal to anyone's visions. Even those who chose to believe, not all of them (very few in my opinion) are living lives they thought they were going to be garunteed. Like forever happiness and whatnot...I dont' see many people living life like that. It may jsut be me, keep that that in mind. Take a look around though, is this a world that god would want?
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 04:48 AM
Yeah, the order is simply that we are capable of life and are continuing to be capable of it, that's what he meant by order. This life wasn't guaranteed to be perfect because we are incapable of perfection and are screwing up around every corner. Nope, in the beginning we screwed up and since then we've been paving our own paths to hell or whatever. I have a pessimistic worldveiw but I still enjoy life and the little things within it no matter how trivial happiness is.I'll back him up on that, stereotyping is a...well I don't even understand why people do it, it's just that useless.Back to the point, about the order thing, well, to a point we have some order in the world, but nothing ideal to anyone's visions. Even those who chose to believe, not all of them (very few in my opinion) are living lives they thought they were going to be garunteed. Like forever happiness and whatnot...I dont' see many people living life like that. It may jsut be me, keep that that in mind. Take a look around though, is this a world that god would want?
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 07:27 AM
I'm not stereotipin' nobody all that I say is that the people in the world shouldsearch more deeply for truth, but if you think that all that you say was an absolute true then I should end posting in this topic. (even if this is gi8vin' me lots of GP 
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)(Oh! I shouldn't said that already but if you alkl don't understanding wath I say is that I really only know the basics of English, I'm from Brazil and here learn another language costs too much!)
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 08:13 AM
No, in no way do I think that everything I said was absolute. My ideas on evolution will last until someone refines the theory once again and makes it sound even more coincidential crap. My ideas on relativity, however, are just common sense. I'm not having any trouble understanding you, after all, I have a Romanian English teacher...(@.@) but posting on these forums should be pretty good practice.I'm not stereotipin' nobody all that I say is that the people in the world shouldsearch more deeply for truth, but if you think that all that you say was an absolute true then I should end posting in this topic. (even if this is gi8vin' me lots of GP
Edited by kemutsemu, 09 October 2005 - 08:15 AM.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 02:08 PM
I'm glad that you all can understand ne T.T
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 07:49 PM
Of course he can..but we're not he's "toys", he gave us minds and the freedom to choose what to do...that's why were' not he's toys"Hey God can do everything he wants..."So your saying we're practicly his playthings and he can mess with our minds just because he wants to.
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Posted 11 October 2005 - 11:39 AM
christianity is not the only religion which believes in god, mind you people. i just noticed that christianity has become the "bastion" of religion here, in the later parts of the topic.i'm not saying i'm anti-christian, just anti-religion. it is religion that separates us from one another, not distance.
i agree with the above quote. philosophy is based on the fundamental beliefs of god.<whew>i'm running out of arguments to think of!!! HELP!!! anyone please put in an argument in here coz it feels like we reach a stalemate... and i don't want that!...and if god isn't real, why do we have to study philosophy?
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Posted 12 October 2005 - 03:23 AM
wow i was reading all the posts and i couldnt even get close to 1/10 of the way...anyway from what i read so far both sides have outstanding arguements.i believe that the mind of man created god. a good example is a feeling.MAN created emotions just like man created god with a man who has no emotions.(its real) cant love or hate anything so therefore feelings do not exist for him but that doesnt mean its not real its all within the mind of the person to beleve or not.HOWEVER so far i have not seen a single good arguement agiasnt why god doesnt exist. there were reasons why he does and beliefs and other things but not a single one seems possible. a all powerful being created a man? doesnt seem likly. a all powerful being created the earth animals and universe? chances of that are less then the chances of the big bang. and heaven and hell? so all good people will go to heaven and all bad people will suffer in hell.... i dont believe that at all and in my opinion i tihnk anyone who belives that is a moron with no common sense. bad and good people dont always get what they deserve. some bad people are rich and famous. some good people are poor and are nobodies in this world.i do believe theres all powerful beings. that would be man not god and not no all seeing all wise invisable man watching above. men has created and destroyed entire nations.man has done things that i have never seen "god" do. i have seen man kill and give life. who has seen god do it? anyway my point is if there is a god... its in the minds of manman has done things FAR greater then "god" will and ever will do
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Posted 12 October 2005 - 04:05 AM
god exist but the religion is #~Ž&! !! the religions - specially better donīt say anything - are fanatics that thinks god is all, and force us to believe in him, like the i-dont-know-what-of-opus-dei in spanish, they force us to believe in their religion, and the other like catholic and some like them, they donīt whant money like the others guys but they think that all what they do is in name of god, and why? cause the admin heads want the money, nnnot the monks.so in conclusion i thnik that believe in god is 1 thing and to be catholic is other, i believe in god, not in the catholic . And opus dei( in spanish i donīt now translate ) suck godīs ·$%&/--------------------------------------------------------------------read: Da Vinci Code Decodified, there í everything about God and opus dei
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Posted 12 October 2005 - 04:37 AM
dude don't bring religious arguements here!it just pisses people off!i think not...
A little piece of paper with a picture drawn
floats on down the street till the wind is gone
and the memory now is like the picture was then
when the paper's crumpled up it can't be perfect again.
~Forgotten - Linkin Park
