God real or not?

dude don't bring religious arguements here!it just pisses people off!i think not...

Well, considering that is what half this topic is about, I think its allowed. You can't tell someone not to voice their own opinion on a PUBLIC forum.He does have a point, I think if you have faith, have faith in god himself, not the things that are related to him, but not directly connected to him.

It honestly doesnt matter what anyone on this thread says because God does exist. It doesnt matter if you belive he excists or not because he does. I am a christian, and ive seen things happen that are physically unexplanable.(miracles) One even happened to me. My pastor prayed for me because i hurt my back at work. He sat me in a chair and liftedmy legs up. They were uneven by A LOT. this proves a perso has an injured spine. Then as he prayed for me a felt and saw my shorter leg pull foreward and become even with my other leg. How do u explain that? Christian pastors have even risen the dead. How is this explained in the natural world? yeha i thought so.... So just to tell you there are over 2 billion christians in the world rite now. Do you really think that much people are wrong and there is no god? Well if you live by that concept and you die and there is really a god what then? Are you willing to take your chance? Or maby you should just give christianity a try. What cuold be the harm in that? Anyway for all the christians i just wanna says preach to your unchristian friends and get closer to God. And for evryone else i hope you consider what i said and at least try.

to what kozlov said in the earlier post. can u prove god did it? i dont think so. it might be a big coincidence but that doesnt mean god did it.in the early posts of this thread someone gave a good example of coincidence.i was born on december 21 1990 in panama and i hasppen to be chinese spanish.what are the chances of that? rare but it happening doesnt mean god did it..my friend whos name is sam broke his ankle from out of every sport skateboarding on march 14 2004.at around 9:00-12:00am. what are the chances of a chinese guy snamed sam who happened to lik skateboarding breaking his nankle at the exact time and place he was in. 1 in a billion? 1 in a trillion?droppings happens. dont go saying god did it just cause random things happen to random people

Well, considering that is what half this topic is about, I think its allowed. You can't tell someone not to voice their own opinion on a PUBLIC forum.He does have a point, I think if you have faith, have faith in god himself, not the things that are related to him, but not directly connected to him.

Which is exactly why I'm nondenominational.

this has to be the 20th time i've seen do you believe in God posted. First of all there is no concrete evidence supporting the existence of God except for some words by a bunch of old guys, if you say that it is too unlikely for the world to be created by random chance i say why? From the point of view of humans 1 out of 10 to the 200th power is basically impossible, but not from the perspective of the universe. There is billions upon billions of stars in one galaxy and billions upon billions of galaxies in the universe and it is constantly expanding, so who is to say what is not possible? Even assuming that there is some sort of divine being governing the world what makes us think such a divine being loves us all? Again relying on the words of a bunch of old guys, also if such a superior being exists it is impossible for such a being to be perfect. The meaning of existence itself implies imperfection, nothing can exist and be perfect at the same time, perfection is an abstraction and cannot exist in reality. Finally in my opinion if there is a God then that being created us for its own amusement not out of any "love." If you think about it, if you were a superior being far above human comprehension and you looked down upon all the doings of humanity you would find pretty hilarious.

I completely agree with DefaultGen. Religion was created to give people false hope, that in doing so makes people want to do good deeds so they can secure passage to heaven. That is all.

Yes. But that's just my opinion. If you don't believe in God, then ask yourself this. We all know that they Universe and Earth and the planets were created by a cloud of Dust and whatnot. So who created the Dust? If you answered Deus Ex Machina, then who created Deus Ex Machina? If you claim that Deus Ex Machina put god on earth, then Who put Deus Ex Machina on Earth? It's so complicated, I just believe what I can.

No but where did the dust that started it all come from? if god then what created god? what created that?

No but where did the dust that started it all come from? if god then what created god? what created that?

Been answered before. If God created creation, then why would He require creation if He created it? If you say that doesn't make sense, then you've answered the question yourself. Logic is a complex of the human mind and it isn't eternal because of that.

well, I only believe in science, therefore if science cannot prove that god exists, then I simply do not believe in god.

And science cannot recreate the beginning of the universe in a controlled environment, therefore it cannot prove evolution or disprove religion. So you mean to tell me that you believe that evolution isn't true or that there wasn't a big bang?

I believe gods exists, but I don't believe what man says about god. Especially when it mixes with politics and then becomes more about control.

god does exists. your an idiot!!!!! all the comllextities of genetic require a human mind to construct. If god didn't exist, then how does our complex world work?????look ok!!! GOD DOES NOT EXIST TO LOVE ANYONE!! HE EXISTS TO LEAD THEM TO SAFETY UR AN IDIOT GOD HATES U AND HE WILL STRIKE U DOWN WITH A BOLT OF LIGHTNING

Ok then....I don't know what kind of narcotic you're taking to make you believe that you being selfish, incohearent, and narrow minded is going to make anyone think that you have the ability to create complex conversations with anyone but yourself and MAYBE invisible friends you made for yourself.Please try to at least obey the rules and not put half your post in caps!What makes you think god would come down and "strike someone down with a bolt of lightning"? I think if he was going to do anything like that to someone, it would be you. I'm not sure, but I don't think god likes people like you to much...

If God did exist then he wud be the same as a tyrant. He says Thall shalt not kill yet he killed all the people by flooding them and only spared Noah and the animals. He seems like hes tells others not to do wut he does to control the ppl to think that hes good. For all we know we dont know if hes really a God or a Devil who created us just to toy around or to analyze us.

Chew on this for a little bit, I have two things to explain the reality of God, and to proove that the big bang theory is wrong.This is something interesting. To those who dont know, the bible was written over a long period of time with writers who knever knew each other and some who havent even had a chance to know because of the differance in age. How then, is this possible, The book of Psalms chapter 1 verse 1:18 is the smallest verse, Verse 1:20 is the smallest verse and Verse 1:19 is the exact middle of the bible. Five hundred Twenty-four chapers before, Five hundred twenty-four after. That's the grand design.And anouther thing, because the people who wrote the bible so well in conjuction over the course of thousands of years, the probability of everything just being made up and being put together to fit so perfectly with history and prophecy is over 520 billion to the 12th power to one.Makes you think hmm?What's the world made of? the Answer of course is Atoms!Where do atoms come from? Elements, electrons neutrons ect ectOf Course some people believe that its these things that made the Earth, from a swriling nebula cloud right? But HOW did protons and electrons get here?God is my Answer.Illusion Panda:"If God did exist then he wud be the same as a tyrant. He says Thall shalt not kill yet he killed all the people by flooding them and only spared Noah and the animals. He seems like hes tells others not to do wut he does to control the ppl to think that hes good. For all we know we dont know if hes really a God or a Devil who created us just to toy around or to analyze us."Sure he tells us what to do, he loves us and doesnt want us to go to hell, how would you like it If YOUR CHILD that you conceived was born beautiful, And some one just kills him/her, and you can never get her/him back. That's what it feels like to him, something special He made, ripped to peices.

Edited by Flar, 14 October 2005 - 02:19 AM.

Chew on this for a little bit, I have two things to explain the reality of God, and to proove that the big bang theory is wrong.This is something interesting. To those who dont know, the bible was written over a long period of time with writers who knever knew each other and some who havent even had a chance to know because of the differance in age. How then, is this possible, The book of Psalms chapter 1 verse 1:18 is the smallest verse, Verse 1:20 is the smallest verse and Verse 1:19 is the exact middle of the bible. Five hundred Twenty-four chapers before, Five hundred twenty-four after. That's the grand design.And anouther thing, because the people who wrote the bible so well in conjuction over the course of thousands of years, the probability of everything just being made up and being put together to fit so perfectly with history and prophecy is over 520 billion to the 12th power to one.Makes you think hmm?What's the world made of? the Answer of course is Atoms!Where do atoms come from? Elements, electrons neutrons ect ectOf Course some people believe that its these things that made the Earth, from a swriling nebula cloud right? But HOW did protons and electrons get here?God is my Answer.

Well the bibles been here a long time but how do you know some of the material was not referenced from others like How John Mark Matthew and Lukes gospels were referenced from each other. If ppl like them could get their hands on each others gospels how do u know that someone could have just refered to the gospels of others and made their own versions of it. Also how do u know that protons and electrons were not in the space to begin with. How do we actually know that there was no universe before ours which had collapsed on itself creating a new universe. There are so many posibilities that we cant even imagine plus the fact that if God can somehow do this then how can u use science to explain how he does this in the first place. If he can do something like this then i'll believe that things like mages and alchemists exists.Flar:So instead of his creations ripping his creations he instead rips his own creations so that they dont rip each other. That doesnt seem like logic to me.

Edited by IllusionPanda, 14 October 2005 - 02:30 AM.

How did the universe get there to collapse in the first place? And you can't use science to figure it out, technology cant possibly fathom the power of the creator of the universe! What you are thinking is of a theory, technology can only explain so much, and since we cannot comprehend, we have to make something so people can say its good and not think about it all the time and mess with their lives.And for the magic thing, I think God didn't give us the power of magicks and alchemy or what ever, simply because humans are irresponsible and would use the power wrong.

If God did exist then he wud be the same as a tyrant. He says Thall shalt not kill yet he killed all the people by flooding them and only spared Noah and the animals. He seems like hes tells others not to do wut he does to control the ppl to think that hes good. For all we know we dont know if hes really a God or a Devil who created us just to toy around or to analyze us.

It's called total judgement, and this subject has been dealt with already.

lol, I love conversations like this, I stopped after about the 49th pg. Neither side will win. Even if one side were to come up with a perfect explanation for why they were right, the other side would be too stubborn to accept it. I love how we think about our past when it doesn't really matter. I believe God created everything, and that's that. I'm not gonna go trying to get others to see things my way. They will believe what they want regardless of what I say. Why does it matter if God created the universe or if it just appeared? Does that really affect our lives now? I don't think that it should.

It's called total judgement, and this subject has been dealt with already.

throughout the course of this conversation, all subjects have been dealt with at some point, it'll just keep going in a circle as people leave and join

well the big bang are true becuse they have proven it true, just saw a science program and they have proven that the the big bang theory was true so god didnt create the earth and so on.

No one in this thread ever doubted the big bang theory. They and I just pointed out the most serious "gaps" within the theory of evolution that would make it impossible for it to work in conjunction with the big bang. If it has been proven, then they can recreate it in a controlled environment. Can they? No. Will they ever be able to? No. Will we just have to keep our faith in what we haven't seen disproven? Yes. *Do I agree with what Cest said in one of his last posts? Yes.*

Edited by kemutsemu, 14 October 2005 - 09:58 PM.

Yes i believe in God. I am a Christian. I don't like to immediately put myself into any denomination because I feel that if you believe in God and follow Him then that should be enough. Who cares what denomination you are. For the ones who classify themselves as non-denominational you do realise that it has basically become its own denomination, right? I don't think God will give the Baptists first slots into heaven then the methodists, etc. It really doesn't matter as long as you believe in God.

well i just wanted to say that they have proven the Big Bang theory right nothing else.

No... You said that the big bang had been proven, and you said God had been disproven by that discovery.

plus, they HAVEN'T proven the big bang theory to be real. notice how it's called the big bang theory? This means that it is just a guess, but has not been proven true, otherwise it'd be a law.

Edited by Cest le Rincewind, 15 October 2005 - 02:37 AM.

plus, they HAVEN'T proven the big bang theory to be real. notice how it's called the big bang theory? This means that it is just a guess, but has not been proven true, otherwise it'd be a law.

Yeap, but the only thing keeping it from becoming a law is that they can't recreate it in a controlled environment. Should they ever attempt, they'd put the universe at stake for the sake of something that may not even be true.

I believe their is a creator responsible for all life, but I give him/her no name.

wow i was reading all the posts and i couldnt even get close to 1/10 of the way...anyway from what i read so far both sides have outstanding arguements.i believe that the mind of man created god. a good example is a feeling.MAN created emotions just like man created god with a man who has no emotions.(its real) cant love or hate anything so therefore feelings do not exist for him but that doesnt mean its not real its all within the mind of the person to beleve or not.HOWEVER so far i have not seen a single good arguement agiasnt why god doesnt exist. there were reasons why he does and beliefs and other things but not a single one seems possible. a all powerful being created a man? doesnt seem likly. a all powerful being created the earth animals and universe? chances of that are less then the chances of the big bang. and heaven and hell? so all good people will go to heaven and all bad people will suffer in hell.... i dont believe that at all and in my opinion i tihnk anyone who belives that is a moron with no common sense. bad and good people dont always get what they deserve. some bad people are rich and famous. some good people are poor and are nobodies in this world.i do believe theres all powerful beings. that would be man not god and not no all seeing all wise invisable man watching above. men has created and destroyed entire nations.man has done things that i have never seen "god" do. i have seen man kill and give life. who has seen god do it? anyway my point is if there is a god... its in the minds of manman has done things FAR greater then "god" will and ever will do

Sorry if this is an old quote but I have sth to say to this...When you say good people goes to heaven and bad to hell....It's notp just like that...The person..obviously when he dies...has a time to say sorry from the heart....I don't know how to say it in English but that place we call it "purgatorio" it's the place you go after "hell" or heaven...Many people thinks that the hell is a place with fire and all that..but atually It's a place where God isn't present...I don't understand why the man give this false vision about the hell...cause it's not like the TV says...Also the people have the decisition to go there or not....If they are really sorry of what did they did in their "terrenal" life they will surely b with God..."man has done things FAR greater then "god" will and ever will do"...sure? According to what I believe..Jesus (God) died to save us....he died because of love...Isn't that greater than everything that the men has done?...If you call greater things to destroy nations, kill people, etc then God isn't that great, isn't he?"i have seen man kill and give life"...okay man obviously gives life...that's really great and I know it....but the man doesn't selects which is the person that's going to be born...that decides it God...he has a mission for us....that means that God's also more greater cause he gave us the ability to give life (that means he's also giving life)...Then the man is FAR more greater than he's creator isn't he? You sohuld think.."Do you have any thing that can say that's true"...No...Only my faith....You don't have to see God to believe in God....start believing before... I want people to answer this cause I wanna know you're opinions...

I don't know how to say it in English but that place we call it "purgatorio" it's the place you go after "hell" or heaven...

Do you mean purgatory?