I'm not sure... but I think I have something. Mars has an atmosphere of CO2, correct? There are records of dead cells on it's surface as well, right? All dead organisms produce CO2 and plants need that CO2 to make O2, and that should have been enough to form an atmosphere like ours, right? Why didn't it work? Why is mars the desolate wasteland that it is? Might it have been the intense radiation and and exceedingly large amounts of CO2 and exceedingly low amounts of H2O that prevented life from continuing to form? *Shrugs* If what I have said somehow holds truth... Mars is an example of what the Earth would be if nothing divine happened.
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 12:45 PM
Ok im a God believer but im not affiliated with any of the religous stereotypes. I love to debate this kind of theme cuz it opens the minds of others to a better decision. Im just gonna state some facts: Bible was written by men inspired by the words of "God"(point written by men); men interpret the bible as what he understand the best(point everybody thinks what they want); in 1945 mankind discovered in Egypt some scrolls of the ancient gnostic christian religion which are as old as the one used to interpret the Bible, which states that the real god ain't the one who created us, for he is jealous of us and the real god is one that goes beyond him and that only the decendants of the of the third son of Adam are the ones to know the truth(point there are religions as old as the christian one which had been long forgotten because our precious little churches had destroyed them). As for the Big Bang theory and the crap about that atoms doesn't create nor destroy well.....Theres only only one question here... For the Big Bang to ocurr the materials had to go unstable as they say and there had to be materia in the ambient so.....Who put the materia there in the first place?
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 07:11 PM
Yes they have proven that it was right/true. It was something the found that was the last piece of the puzzle and they have proven it right... i saw a science program about it and they said it and showed it.Yeap, but the only thing keeping it from becoming a law is that they can't recreate it in a controlled environment. Should they ever attempt, they'd put the universe at stake for the sake of something that may not even be true.plus, they HAVEN'T proven the big bang theory to be real. notice how it's called the big bang theory? This means that it is just a guess, but has not been proven true, otherwise it'd be a law.
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 07:41 PM
I'm not religious in any kind of way but if other ppl express their emotion twords it, iz alright. My beleif is that the area that we live in has to be controlled by some kind of force. If anyone thinks god does that, fine with me. But more intruigingly, what is the force that chooses things. Is it us. Do our minds thought and other mental thoughts decides what happens? It's weird. All god is is a theory of "the force".
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 08:36 PM
And as any other scientific theory, it must go through due process before it becomes a scientific fact.Yes they have proven that it was right/true. It was something the found that was the last piece of the puzzle and they have proven it right... i saw a science program about it and they said it and showed it.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 01:15 AM
Just so you know...God give us the possiblity to choose things, God doesn't control our minds...because of him we control them...It's not a "force"..it's God and us, the humansI'm not religious in any kind of way but if other ppl express their emotion twords it, iz alright. My beleif is that the area that we live in has to be controlled by some kind of force. If anyone thinks god does that, fine with me. But more intruigingly, what is the force that chooses things. Is it us. Do our minds thought and other mental thoughts decides what happens? It's weird. All god is is a theory of "the force".
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 01:45 AM
If people we're crazy enough to think witches existed in the 17th Century (But I mean, thats rediculous hocus pocus of course right?), why do we believe in god?Because some guys from 0BC are a whole lot less crazy than people from the 1600s? People dedicated to religion really confuse me. I'm not saying religion is a bad thing, but its so... unfounded. Its like, its 2000 years of stories being passed down generation to generation. The only beliefs you have are what your parents say is true, and what their parents say, and so on for 2000 years. People totally disregard applying modern day knowlege to 2000 year old fairy tales.Also, what makes the Greeks and Romans so wrong about their gods? There were tons of them who believed in them devoutly, but of course Christians are right now because you outnumber everyone else, you must be right. Its like a mob, if we stopped teaching kids about religion for one generation, there would be no "god" anymore and maybe one day, someone would start a different story that would evolve into a religion accepted as fact.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:08 AM
Modern knowledge has been applied to The Bible such as; pointing out translational errors, explaining how things that are spoken of within it happened and how they happened, and tracking down the areas in which these events occured. Massive number of followers =/= truth. Many, many scientists hold faith in evolution, but just look at how easily it can't work. Religions can't just be made up, they have to hold some truth within them. Many people say that Christianity has the most world-wide followers and that's a fact, But only because all of those people can relate to the truthes held within The Bible.If people we're crazy enough to think witches existed in the 17th Century (But I mean, thats rediculous hocus pocus of course right?), why do we believe in god?Because some guys from 0BC are a whole lot less crazy than people from the 1600s? People dedicated to religion really confuse me. I'm not saying religion is a bad thing, but its so... unfounded. Its like, its 2000 years of stories being passed down generation to generation. The only beliefs you have are what your parents say is true, and what their parents say, and so on for 2000 years. People totally disregard applying modern day knowlege to 2000 year old fairy tales.Also, what makes the Greeks and Romans so wrong about their gods? There were tons of them who believed in them devoutly, but of course Christians are right now because you outnumber everyone else, you must be right. Its like a mob, if we stopped teaching kids about religion for one generation, there would be no "god" anymore and maybe one day, someone would start a different story that would evolve into a religion accepted as fact.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:27 AM
People dont u think its kinda ironic that u have to learn whats evil to do good? And that whats evil for u isn't necesarily evil for other person. By the way you gus can check this site im sure most of u will call it blasphemy but hey thats what the orthodox called it and executed every single follower and burned their scrolls, even though it was a christian religion. Ain't that ecxiting? The Genesis Factor
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:31 AM
You don't really have to know what's evil to do good, you just have to recognize it. Evil/sin's just part of the average human's nature, and that's an absolute truth no matter what philosophy you follow.People dont u think its kinda ironic that u have to learn whats evil to do good? And that whats evil for u isn't necesarily evil for other person. By the way you gus can check this site im sure most of u will call it blasphemy but hey thats what the orthodox called it and executed every single follower and burned their scrolls, even though it was a christian religion. Ain't that ecxiting? The Genesis Factor
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:34 AM
Very nice Kemutsemu. That idea is a very good one. People base religions on what they thought was evil.You don't really have to know what's evil to do good, you just have to recognize it. Evil/sin's just part of the average human's nature, and that's an absolute truth no matter what philosophy you follow.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:39 AM
Religion is a very wierd thing. im sorry but believing in god is a wierd thing. How do you believe in somthing you have no proof of? if god created everything what created him? did he just poof out of no where?
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:45 AM
Gah... Do your best to read the entire thread before posting an idea that may have already been dealt with. Should there be a creator, that creator created creation, logic, and every other complex. Should he have created these things he doesn't abide by them because they are truths that came after him. In other words, He is the original absolute truth. There, subject dealt with... again.Religion is a very wierd thing. im sorry but believing in god is a wierd thing. How do you believe in somthing you have no proof of? if god created everything what created him? did he just poof out of no where?
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 12:05 AM
[quote name='BenYoshiro' date='Oct 16 2005, 11:24 PM' post='766657']Just so you know...God give us the possiblity to choose things, God doesn't control our minds...because of him we control them...It's not a "force"..it's God and us, the humans[/quote]So please, tell me HOW would god give us that possibility if we were already created? (meaning he did not create us.)[/quote]how meaning he didn't created us? He did! It would be so easy to God to show himself to the entire world...actually he is showing himself...but nobody can see him....which sense would it have that God can manipulate us?..It's like if you have a toy and you play with it...two weeks later you're bored of it...and that's not how God is....I don't have proofs and nothing....nothing else that what I believe in...A single question to kemutsemu...do you believe in God? cause sometimes ou say things as if you believe in him and suddenly not...
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 12:49 AM
We have the ability to choose, refuse, or refute. He knows the outcome not because He threw us down this road, but because He knows us.So please, tell me HOW would god give us that possibility if we were already created? (meaning he did not create us.)
I believe in God, I just tend to delve more deeply into the psyche of human beings and what is or isn't absolute.A single question to kemutsemu...do you believe in God? cause sometimes ou say things as if you believe in him and suddenly not...
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 10:25 AM
i believe that god is real or that there is a god, but i don't believe a few things in the bible
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 08:54 PM
I don't believe in God, it's just some stupid reason to rip off people.
i do remember one thing.
it took hours and hours but.
by the time i was done with it.
i was so involved. i didn't even know what to think.
i carried it around with me for days. and days.
playing little games.
like. not looking at it for a whole day.
and then. looking at it.
to see if I still liked it.
i did.
it took hours and hours but.
by the time i was done with it.
i was so involved. i didn't even know what to think.
i carried it around with me for days. and days.
playing little games.
like. not looking at it for a whole day.
and then. looking at it.
to see if I still liked it.
i did.
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 09:31 PM
Christianity was started by one guy that ppl follow and worship this person did some magic tricks to make the ppl think he's all powerful...............sounds familiar isnt it like cult. its just a cult that took off. like cult today its almost impossible to tell them its not real and remember this is a long time ago where most of the poor ppl dont know anything about science or anything at all so its alot easyer to trick them. but christianity these days is ok there is only a few ppl that take advatage of the religion most of the priest and the others really belive in it so its not bad if you belive in it
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 10:35 PM
Well you should know that the bible was written in another time, in another culture, and not only by one guy...And eyegammer...you can't say things like that..."a guy that made some tricks"? are you talking about Jesus? ...a little more of respect...if you don't believe in him it's ok..but please..with more respectthere is alot of stuff in the bible that dont make since there is even some stuff that contradict the other stuff in the book and alot of stuff that science prove contradict most other religions.as for god may be but religions no
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 10:47 PM
well i think there are more that say that they believe in God but dont mean it so that they feel safe than those who simply disagree. most of the people that i know that disagree are just really depressed people :/I totally agree with you but sadly there're some people that doesn't cause they haven't see him..or something that proves him...<
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 11:14 PM
If they were magic tricks, why can't we recreate them? How is it that he*Jesus* fulfilled phrophecies that were made long before his birth? Why were the events within The Bible explained before science admitted them as a theory and eventually scientific fact? Now, should the final prophecy come true *Anti-Christ and Rapture* what would you say? Would you continue to actively deny The Bible? I have faith in Him and you have faith against Him, but faith doesn't determine truth value.Christianity was started by one guy that ppl follow and worship this person did some magic tricks to make the ppl think he's all powerful...............sounds familiar isnt it like cult. its just a cult that took off. like cult today its almost impossible to tell them its not real and remember this is a long time ago where most of the poor ppl dont know anything about science or anything at all so its alot easyer to trick them. but christianity these days is ok there is only a few ppl that take advatage of the religion most of the priest and the others really belive in it so its not bad if you belive in it
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 12:14 AM
Althought faith doesn't determinate truth value...you can change with it people's minds....If you really believe in your faith you, without any proofs, you would make people believe...and that's what all God believers must do...God has a special mission for us...we should find it....but for that you have to believe
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 12:23 AM
Unlike what some of the above posters have said, I think that not believing in a divine ruler (be it God, Jaweh, Allah, or whatever entity in question) because it cannot be proven is a fine excuse. There are scientific explanations for much of the world's being, and a lot of religious material is contradicted by scientific findings (eg dinosaurs, which are not mentioned in any religious texts I have read). Sure, you can claim that the divine being placed these here as part of its divine plan, but what would that accomplish? The deity would have more followers if there weren't evidence against its existence.To clarify another issue, I do 'believe' in Jesus. I believe he was a carpenter born in the middle east around 2000 years ago. I just don't believe he had any divine significance.
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 12:36 AM
Well...to tell you about the dinnosaurs....in that period..I think they did know nothing about the dinnosaurs....and the bible was finished like 1500 years ago...so...No one would know what does that divine plan is about...(If God told you...my mistake..) until we go to the heaven..."deity would have more followers if there weren't evidence against its existence."Of which evidence are you talking about? give an example please...remember, the bible was written in an other period and culture...And finally...you believe in a Jesus...that just was a carpenteer? (actually he wasn't, he learned from his dad, Jose(don't know the translation), that was one ). Jesus had a divine significance...he was the sun of God, God as a human....living all the tentations we have, suffering all we suffer and finally dying as we die, like humans...but he resucited 3 days later of his dead not as a human can do...Only that...please ask I you don't understand something about the catholic religion (that can be answerd by a human, you know what I mean), somebody will answer youUnlike what some of the above posters have said, I think that not believing in a divine ruler (be it God, Jaweh, Allah, or whatever entity in question) because it cannot be proven is a fine excuse. There are scientific explanations for much of the world's being, and a lot of religious material is contradicted by scientific findings (eg dinosaurs, which are not mentioned in any religious texts I have read). Sure, you can claim that the divine being placed these here as part of its divine plan, but what would that accomplish? The deity would have more followers if there weren't evidence against its existence.To clarify another issue, I do 'believe' in Jesus. I believe he was a carpenter born in the middle east around 2000 years ago. I just don't believe he had any divine significance.
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 02:23 AM
and time is all relative if you are talking dinosaurs.. a day could be millions of years in Gods eyesWell...to tell you about the dinnosaurs....in that period..I think they did know nothing about the dinnosaurs....and the bible was finished like 1500 years ago...so...No one would know what does that divine plan is about...(If God told you...my mistake..) until we go to the heaven..."deity would have more followers if there weren't evidence against its existence."Of which evidence are you talking about? give an example please...remember, the bible was written in an other period and culture...And finally...you believe in a Jesus...that just was a carpenteer? (actually he wasn't, he learned from his dad, Jose(don't know the translation), that was one ). Jesus had a divine significance...he was the sun of God, God as a human....living all the tentations we have, suffering all we suffer and finally dying as we die, like humans...but he resucited 3 days later of his dead not as a human can do...Only that...please ask I you don't understand something about the catholic religion (that can be answerd by a human, you know what I mean), somebody will answer youUnlike what some of the above posters have said, I think that not believing in a divine ruler (be it God, Jaweh, Allah, or whatever entity in question) because it cannot be proven is a fine excuse. There are scientific explanations for much of the world's being, and a lot of religious material is contradicted by scientific findings (eg dinosaurs, which are not mentioned in any religious texts I have read). Sure, you can claim that the divine being placed these here as part of its divine plan, but what would that accomplish? The deity would have more followers if there weren't evidence against its existence.To clarify another issue, I do 'believe' in Jesus. I believe he was a carpenter born in the middle east around 2000 years ago. I just don't believe he had any divine significance.
