Also, to raeb, the evidence you provided for "Allah" was non conclusive. There is no evident way of proving that "Sight itself is a miracle from allah." or "He is the creator, the one, the only." to be true. Any other "God" be he Jesus, Yaweh, etc... could have done this. Also saying "Allah" exists because "the stars and how they're arranged" does not prove anything. Finally, saying "for those of you who don't believe in him, you will be thrown in hell for eternity, not a couple of days or something like that. FOR ETERNITY. Burning in the hottest fire, be so hungry you would eat your own skin thats melting on you. you would also be fed a spiky fruit. and when you ask for help or mercy, you will be given boiling water. so for those of you who don't believe, believe, or else your decree is hell." is not a logical way of attempting to convert some to Islam because all you're doing is trying to scare someone and make them agree with you.
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Posted 28 October 2005 - 02:17 AM
i found a pattern between how much people get picked on. they are lless likely to belive in God.go figue...i dont beleve in muhamen , alyah or anything. Just one God. and i dont belive in the pope stuff or man-made rites that is not in the bible.yea, i do.life (for.. everything) has evolved at some point or another, what's stopping some random bacteria turning us into humans?and how come whales can't breathe underwater? fish can breathe underwater perfectly fine, but whales. they had like 5 billion years, but they still can't breathe like other fish can.can god make a rock he can't lift?
God exists, religion doesn't.and those who believe in the big bang theory, why would you want to believe in that in the first place? you like the fact that you were spec's that evolved into bigger specs and after soo long became a human?
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Posted 28 October 2005 - 03:04 AM
How does that answer the question? No one worth stateing in this forum has ever doubted that the universe was formed by an explosion. What has been doubted is whether or not it was caused by an act of God or not. Evolution and the big bang theory do not go hand in hand, and that is the problem. If inter-specieal evolution is disproven, then the universe was created by a higher being. But, if it is proven the argument will continue to go on due to the idea that it may be a machination of God.The Big Bang theory is the truth. Not the Big Bang theory you laugh at nowadays, where 2 atoms crash and *BOOM* there's some guy mowing his lawn, but the scientific Big Bang theory. Take a look at all of this Universe's life. At least, all that we know of. You will see that day by day, more and more planets, stars, and even solar systems are added to our knowlege. The explanation for this being, the Galaxy was once a tiny particle, 13.7 billion years ago. The Galaxy was at one place for one fraction of a nanosecond. Then, the heat of all inside this Galaxy caused it to expand. Over the millenia, newer and newer Solar Systems were formed. The Galaxy is still expanding today. There is an edge of the Galaxy, but it is not definite, as it is always moving. Now that I have bored you with that speech over the stars, be enlightened that you have reached a conclusion in the "God or Not" question.
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ok, im going to be VERY blunt here if i may.why don't you all SHUT UP!!! 
as other observers have noticed, this topic is going nowhere and never will because of the differing opinions and relions that are still out there.i, myself are christian as i have stated before, but i will not tell any of you to quite literally "go to hell".the big bang is not proven, maybe God made it, maybe not, maybe there wasn't even a big bang to begin with, that's why it's called a THEORY and not proof.God will not come here and say hi to anyone's face because it says in the bible that God will not be tested.this whole topic is why there is still war in the world; even in north america we can't agree on anything and differing opinions leads to conflict while i find is kind of escalating from this topic.mods. i have one question, why keep this topic open if it's not going to get anyone anywhere? is it just to see how defensive people can get or what?i like other people have said again and again to close it, but have gotten nowhere. probably hundreds of users have expressed their opinions in this topic and it seems pretty well divided.others, believe in what you want to believe, i believe in God and no matter what anyone says in this topic, it will not change my opinion on the matter, same probably goes for anyone who is reading this topic/posted in it as well because most of us have our firm beliefs.u will probably not hear from me again in this topic because it is utterly rediculous, so if you all want to, continue your rant sessions and see where it gets anyone. i bet you not a single person will change their opinion due to this topic and will just make their beliefs stronger.all i have to say about this topic in short is that it is a place for people to rant to other people, telling them that they will go to hell or what ever your belief of death is, or saying that they should convert immediately, etc.it's ALL STUPID if you ask me.see you guys have made me rant to, but not to defend a religion, but to defend not having this topic here anymore.what i suggest, MOVE IT TO SPAM because mods. you'll just keep getting the same thing over and over again, but just from different users.- arch- irritated 
as other observers have noticed, this topic is going nowhere and never will because of the differing opinions and relions that are still out there.i, myself are christian as i have stated before, but i will not tell any of you to quite literally "go to hell".the big bang is not proven, maybe God made it, maybe not, maybe there wasn't even a big bang to begin with, that's why it's called a THEORY and not proof.God will not come here and say hi to anyone's face because it says in the bible that God will not be tested.this whole topic is why there is still war in the world; even in north america we can't agree on anything and differing opinions leads to conflict while i find is kind of escalating from this topic.mods. i have one question, why keep this topic open if it's not going to get anyone anywhere? is it just to see how defensive people can get or what?i like other people have said again and again to close it, but have gotten nowhere. probably hundreds of users have expressed their opinions in this topic and it seems pretty well divided.others, believe in what you want to believe, i believe in God and no matter what anyone says in this topic, it will not change my opinion on the matter, same probably goes for anyone who is reading this topic/posted in it as well because most of us have our firm beliefs.u will probably not hear from me again in this topic because it is utterly rediculous, so if you all want to, continue your rant sessions and see where it gets anyone. i bet you not a single person will change their opinion due to this topic and will just make their beliefs stronger.all i have to say about this topic in short is that it is a place for people to rant to other people, telling them that they will go to hell or what ever your belief of death is, or saying that they should convert immediately, etc.it's ALL STUPID if you ask me.see you guys have made me rant to, but not to defend a religion, but to defend not having this topic here anymore.what i suggest, MOVE IT TO SPAM because mods. you'll just keep getting the same thing over and over again, but just from different users.- arch- irritated
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Posted 28 October 2005 - 05:58 AM
just a though...."i think i am therefore, i am"the converse is"i think i am not, therefor i dont exist"if both must be true for the equation to be true,then why an i still here?i think i am not....
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Posted 28 October 2005 - 08:33 AM
Using the existance/complexity of everything on earth as evidence that God/Allah/etc exists is flawed. The fact that we don't know how such things came to be proves nothing except our own collective ignorance. Remember, people thought that lightning was proof of God's existance once: now we know that is just static electricity from colliding clouds. There is every possibility that one day we might have the means to find out exactly how creation started and why; until then, let's just accept that we don't know rather than attributing it to the actions of an invisible space wizard.
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Posted 28 October 2005 - 11:24 PM
I think Religion is good while Church is bad. Church is just another chance for one of those perfect families to frown upon everyone who's not as good as them.
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 08:51 PM
I believe there is a god, but right now i just want to through a controversial question out there. If god is all powerful and can do anything, can he make a boulder he can't lift? think about that one for awhile, cuz if he can't lift it, then he can't do anything, but if he can't make a boulder that he can't lift he must not be all powerful either.
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Posted 01 November 2005 - 12:20 AM
The sins of the father upon the son. To burden a child is to burden the parents, the child is a constant reminder of the parent's mistakes.why would god make downsyndrome and retards and studd like that?
Sure, you can view God as some guys explanation to everything, but the problem is that prophecies were fulfilled, people existed, and theories that were proven over a thousand years later were already explained within The Bible and through the mouths of prophets, major and minor alike. Amos, the minor prophet who foresaw the fall of the old and immoral Israel, explained the last bit of the water cycle circa 750 BC.god is not real.this is my theory:some guy just created this "explanation to everything" called god.is there any proof of you ppl that god is real?dont tell me what other ppl CLAIM to see.whats happened to YOU that is possibly done by this imaginary force called god.
His actions can be explained to the point of where we can understand'em. Please refrain from saying that He's an explanation for everything. Why you ask? Because it's just as stupid as someone using something that we can't explain as "proof" of His existance.He who made the Pleiades and Orion And changes deep darkness into morning, Who also darkens day into night, Who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the surface of the earth, The LORD is His name. -Amos 5:8
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 04:41 AM
The existence of god. Hmmm...........Probably not. I mean do we have any proof? Our religion, the belief in god is a huge religion, most of the world believes in god, that doesn't mean he exists. Before the belief in Christianity, there were many religions and those religions talked about a great flooding. I've learned that Christianity is made up of may different religions. I mean, look at other religions of the past, you'll see that Christianity sort of...copied all of those religions, mixed them up and made it it's own. In the past, people farmed. They depended on the rivers and bodies of water to give them the water needed for their crops. Water was an essential part of civilization. Without water, great civilizations such as Egypt might have never arissed. So you can see why so many religions talked about "Great Floods", because life kinda revolved around water. Also, there have been many religions over time. Why should Christianity be the chosen religion, why should it be "the one", because it's the biggest? Because "I said so". Our religion might fade away, just like other religions over time. Besides, there is no proof of god.But I still believe in him. It's all about faith. But I haven't gone to church in like 11 months.
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Posted 04 November 2005 - 09:18 AM
the idea of God is that you can't prove God. I mean that's what "faith" is right? All religions do require a certain amount of faith. and most require good works. But personally I believe in God. The alternative is evolution and a big bang theory that the universe appear out of a sudden explosion...come on what are the chances of that. and if ppl want to degrade themselves to be known as apes, sure go ahead. But I don't buy it. species changes in evolutions are constantly proven to be false. Sure we see species changing but we don't see two species emerge from one, I know (I did this experiment as a research in college with 1000s of generation of bacteria) Species change but there is no separation in species.
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Posted 05 November 2005 - 06:05 PM
Yup,He/She/it Exists.Don't know why i believe i just believe.PS-Do not try to convert me.Reason=Check out my sig. Alexander Anderson.
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Sure I would go to the crusadesPS-Stubblehamster,you seem to be one hardcore religious person.{like my bro,beat up 2 school gangs as they insulted godi apologize in advance for offending any christian here. i have no problem with religious people. i just have a different view on the subject. i respect your view on things, but please let others be free to believe what they want.stubblehamster, i believe, from your previous posts, that you are quite an arrogant person.who are you to say that what you believe is right? who are you to say that all non-christians will go to hell? so that's your goal in life? to go to "heaven" and experience "bliss" which was "promised" by the "holy" bible?so if you were around in the medieval times when bishops said whoever joined the "holy" crusades and died fighting would go to "heaven", you would fight to the death for such a belief?What happens to use when we die then? Are we just dead? Because I know my soul is going up to heaven where I will experience pure bliss. While a soul who does not follow Jesus will be in hell.
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Posted 05 November 2005 - 09:56 PM
I'm probably going to offend a large group of people by saying this, but here goes...I do not affiliate myself with any major religion. Now, most of you will read this and think, "oh, he's just one of those kids who runs around calling himself an athiest because he wants to rebel against his christian upbringing." You'd be wrong there.I stopped affiliating myself with christianty a while ago, because of the bad light it seems to be in. PEople associate christianity with the well-known Bad people wh routinely make bad decisions in the name of christianity (Dubya, that "Focus on the Families" jerk, Etc.) I, personally, know that christianity in its purest and most basic sense is quite different form the practices of those listed above, but that's not really public knowledge. I consder myself a very left-wing liberal (this is where msot people will stop reading), and so do many of the people I know and love. I didn't really want to be affiliated with people like that, even though I'm not. Get it? Too bad. I'm going on.My beliefs are my own - not those of any specific religion. I take bits and pieces of oter theologies and put them together to form one that suits me. It changes on a daily basis - sometimes I'll wake up and feel quasi-christian with a hint of Islam. Semi-Jewish with just a touch of Buddhism. Other days, I'll be Jislamanite, a Pastafarian, or, if I'm feeling crazy, a Bokononist.As for god, I believe that there's probably a god. And if there IS a god, I KNOW it's a woman. I mean, come on. It would have to be.
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Posted 05 November 2005 - 10:04 PM
man, god doesent exsist. What makes me wonder is why do people beleive man made stories, they come in the thousands claiming to be true and if you dont beleive you will go to hell or something like that, Well thats my opinion so dont Quote and flame me on that one http://www.stupidwis...t/religion.html well there you go
Want to see some facts about good old godYou: "Well, it looks like a dog and it barks."Your Religion: "It's a cat."You: "Are you sure? I think it's a dog."Your Religion: "Do you want to burn for all eternity, smarty-pants?"You: "Oh, right. It's a cat."
http://www.stupidwis...t/religion.html well there you go
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Posted 06 November 2005 - 02:07 AM
So far as I see it the predictions made in the bible are slowly coming true but to those who doubt God would probably think it as a really big coincidence
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Posted 06 November 2005 - 05:58 AM
Christianity isn't a religion it's a faith. A religion is man trying to reach God. Christianity is God trying to reach man.God exists, religion too... I´m christian
Need I say that this would count as spam?shut up ppl.. we on page 202 already.
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Posted 06 November 2005 - 05:58 AM
I don't think the point of religion is to PROVE his existance. It's the belief that's important. You can be religious if you can believe without evidence that He exists. Personally, I don't believe, but I can see why other people might believe in His existance.
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Though I am scientific to a fault, I do believe some things just aren't explainable by the mere innovation of genetics. I mean, things like atoms and proteins and the unending universe make the idea of scale completely lose its meaning, so I tend to feel that genetics are the blueprints that god wrote. I guess my idea of god as a creator is a programmer, really.God: "jesus! I've been working on this 'earth' project all night! The self-sustaining code I wrote for the 'human' animal is so awesome, but it keeps causing bugs in the rest of the program."Mrs. God: "It's okay honey, just take a break for now and work on it again in the morning."God: "no way, if I take my eye off it for a second the whole thing will crash."
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Posted 06 November 2005 - 01:33 PM
Proof i cannot give but,about the tragedys i say its god testing ys.I do not believe in god. If there is a god, why is there so much horrible things in life? Why is there so much violence? Why are there so many starving people in the world? Why is our world a miserable place to live?But... Give me any tangible proof that there is a god, and I may change my mind. Until then, I will continue to not believe.
My thoughts exact.Your faith is weak if the only reason you believe is because your parents raised you that way. Another thing is god gave us a mind to create hence computers and our technology. I believe because I know of the lord He is in my heart when I found jesus a force within my heart became overwhelming. He filled me with his love and his goodness. I know I am not perfect and never will be. but I try. I believe because I look around me and look at all he has created. How else could we have trees? And for you non believers explain to me how eyes were developed from a single cell organism.
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Posted 06 November 2005 - 01:43 PM
I personally don't think there is a God. I don't have a religion, and I choose not to join one, mainly because it just lays down another layer of dumb rules on your life that you are expected to abide by. But then that is only my point of view, I wouldn't really mind or care if the rest of the world belived in God or not, I would still respect thier religious choices and such.
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Posted 06 November 2005 - 01:51 PM
I don't really belive in God but somethimes I belive in fate and stuff like that
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Posted 06 November 2005 - 10:30 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Look back fourty pages and you'll see I was here before any of these n00bs started spamming in this topic. If anyone's extending this thread way too long it's the people like you that're trying to shut it down and the idiots giving three or four word "contributions". This is a thread in which there are debates on religious views, look back those fourty pages and you'll see this wasn't just some blasted spam outlet. I don't care what you say, no one does, because out of all of the stupid theories in existance, relativity is the worst, and for all I care you can feel the same way about my posts.need i say u're extending this post for way too long? n i already said its all based on one's own prespetive dumbass. read the whole thing b4 posting
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Posted 06 November 2005 - 10:31 PM
what difference does it make if he does or doesnt??
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Posted 18 December 2005 - 01:04 AM
I worship the weed that grows from the earth. Like three four times a day.
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Posted 18 December 2005 - 01:20 AM
I honestly think thats too hard of a question to answer. Theres no substantial proof that he exists, but how do u argue with so much of hte worlds populations belief in him (or her [or it]). But another large portion of the worlds populations believe in polytheism. I really dont know
