i don't believe in god because if he created earth...:where were the dinosaurs when adam and eve came to town???how come the dinosaurs were on earth before peoplewhy do we have cannibalism in uncivilized areas...?why is there diseases like sars and aids and malaria and other bad things??? and for my last point...WHAT THE HELL ARE MOSQUITOS?????????????thanks for reading...
God real or not?
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 09:18 AM
If someone manages to win the debate over whether or not God exists, does that make their viewpoint true? This is a sisyphean ordeal.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:03 PM
I will second that question, if only for curiousity.Edit: TWO HUNDRED FRICKING FOUR HELLISH PAGES?!That's great. Just great. G'night.If someone manages to win the debate over whether or not God exists, does that make their viewpoint true? This is a sisyphean ordeal.
Edited by Locue, 19 December 2005 - 10:04 PM.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 11:35 PM
I do believe in God. I'm christian. I pray and go to church etc. In return, God has done many good things for me.There's no proof that shows that there's no God, so I'm a believer!
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Posted 20 December 2005 - 02:39 AM
First off, I believe in God. Don't question that. But do you realize how hard recreating the Big Bang is? It's estimated that just fractions of a second after the Big Bang, the temperature was roughly 100 billion degrees Kelvin. That's roughly 17,999,542 degrees Fahrenheit, or 99,999,726 degrees Celsius! I'd like to see that recreated. High temperatures are created using particle accelerators. And, as we all know, E=mc^2. That means that as you increase an object's energy (i.e. temperature), you increase its mass. So when you try to increase even an electrons energy to that equal of the Big Bang's, it's mass would be huge (for an electron). And the heavier something is, the harder it is to move it. So recreating it is a lot more difficult than you might think. Who knows how it all started? Maybe one day, we'll find out......and those who believe in the big bang theory, why would you want to believe in that in the first place? you like the fact that you were spec's that evolved into bigger specs and after soo long became a human? even if God Doesnt exist (which he does), why wouldnt you want to believe that you were created by God? that you didnt just evolve from some crap floating around in space that evovled.. and the fact that it cant be duplicated again? isnt that a clue? that u arent an evolved species? anyways, thats enough for todays lesson, feel free to reply to this, and No Flamming.
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Posted 20 December 2005 - 04:24 AM
I'm Catholic and attend church regularly and I very much do believe in God. Alot of good things comes out of religion, it teaches you morals, gives you something to believe in, gives you a role model, teaches you to be more forgiving. Sure I don't follow all of the religious morals, because I also apply my own morals, but i'd much rather believe follow God's example rather than than some rapper, or singer of some sort, which most of the younger generations seem to be following. Go ahead and believe in science if you want, it doesn't bother me at all, but don't go bad mouthing relgion.and F.Y.I. for those of you who celebrate Christmas and bad mouth religion, maybe you shouldn't receive/give presents this year because it is a religious holiday.
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Posted 20 December 2005 - 04:08 PM
I don't believe god. people have always had a need to explain everything to theirselfs. now that scientists can almoust tell how universum was born, god is only a story to me. i believe in a accidense.And if you think, why would He put evil in this world when he created this it and then blame and judge us because of all the crimes and stuff.I think people should enjoy life still they can
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Posted 20 December 2005 - 10:34 PM
God created man, man created corruption. Thats what the story of Noah and the Ark is all about.And if you think, why would He put evil in this world when he created this it and then blame and judge us because of all the crimes and stuff.I think people should enjoy life still they can
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 07:39 AM
I believe in God, he is the most wonderful being ever! I pray to him and he relieves my problems.
I agree with bubbles, if only there was a way to convince people that He existsreading some of these comments really brought me down...i know God exists, and i was surprised by how many people don't believe he does...I feel powerless, because i know there is no way to convince these people who already have their minds made up and their hearts closed off.
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:14 AM
There isn't. The problem is people trying to make facts out of beliefs. You can't will god into existence if God is just some idea used to enforce morals onto people. Conversely, god won't stop existing just because some atheist wants it to.What people think has no relevance to whether or not God exists. It does or it doesn't, and it doesn't matter what you believe.I believe in God, he is the most wonderful being ever! I pray to him and he relieves my problems.
I agree with bubbles, if only there was a way to convince people that He existsreading some of these comments really brought me down...i know God exists, and i was surprised by how many people don't believe he does...I feel powerless, because i know there is no way to convince these people who already have their minds made up and their hearts closed off.
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:44 AM
If you don't respect other's beliefs then I guess it doesn't matter what you believe either :drool:I am a Muslim and I believe in God.
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 05:27 PM
For all we know it could have been Trent Reznor! That man never stops! He's like the fricking Duracell battery bunny!Edit: Almost forgot.TWO HUNDRED FRICKING FIVE HELLISH PAGES?!Oh well. DO I HEAR PAGE NUMBER TWO HUNDRED SIX? COME ON TWO ZERO SIX! YOU CAN DO IT!!!OfCourse god exists.Who else created the universe?
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 07:32 PM
hmmm Obviously you don't read the bible often do you, especially the the first three chapter... but just in case... in the begining god made everything good, blah blah blah... then one day an angel got jelouse and wanted the humans to worship him as they did to god, he trick them in disobeying god thus entered sin and death and the lost of there paradise, but the bible did promise salvation and end to all wickedness (hmmmm this is as far as I can go before I mix different view of religions in this).... next time you make a post get the facts (stupid NooB) and that the christain version if you want from another religous view look it up yourself... but you not believing in god it cool just make up a better excuses and look for some answers before you state your ingnorance...(stupid nOob) and ya I believe in a godi don't belive in God, if there's an all-powerful, caring being, there shouldn't be evil ion this world, should there?
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:51 PM
I live my life better not worrying if theres a God or not because think about it, every time you try to figure out this argument it gets depressing, just get high and have sex.
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 10:45 PM
*Realizes that this question has been addressed over fourty times* We screwed up, God punishes us, we screw up further, God uses Hell as a deterrent, we don't give a damn, and God eventually loses His patience and brings about the end of the world. You can blame retribution, but you can never justify your blaming it with logical thought.i don't belive in God, if there's an all-powerful, caring being, there shouldn't be evil ion this world, should there?
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 10:57 PM
Well, one of the biggest things this argument comes down to is absolute truth. if you believe that there is an absolute truth for everything, an absoulute right and wrong, then your beliefs could hardly be justified without there being a 'God' who defines and/or decides what is right and what is wrong. if you can honestly do something without knowing whether or not it is 'wrong', then you have a problem. if you DO know whether or not what you are doing is 'wrong', then you have to believe to some degree that there is some law or truth that makes that action 'wrong'. Now, some people believe that everyone has their own set of rules, that everyone can justify themselves, and that there is no ultimate governing truth. this works for many people, because that means that they can do whatever they want and still feel good about themselves because they can justify their own actions by their own set of morals. now, my problem with that is if you can try tell me that Hitler was justified in doing what he did just because it conformed to his set of 'right' and 'wrong', i wont listen to another word that you have to say because there is no way that by ANY standards that hitler did was right. if you <i> could</i> find a way to justify hitlers actions, then i would stop believing in an absolute truth. however, there is no way to justify what he did so therefore i believe that we all have a guideline that we follow adn our conscience usually tells us whether or not what we are doing follows that guideline. Now, if there IS an absolute truth, who created it? who is anybody to tell me if i am doing something wrong? well, from my experience, there is only one answer to that question, and that is a God who created the universe and everything in it. even if we did all evolve from slimy pieces of crap over billions of years, did our conscience evolve with us? and if it did, why are humans the only animals that have a conscience? It all points toward an intelligent designer who created us to 'walk upright among the other living things of the earth' and who wants us to have a relationship with him. now, why is there evil in the world?[quote name='Slackers' date='Dec 21 2005, 05:12 AM' post='927251']i don't belive in God, if there's an all-powerful, caring being, there shouldn't be evil ion this world, should there?[/quotei mean, obviously there is evil in the world. all you have to do is turn on the news at night to see that obviously there are some screwed up people out there. but then you must ask yourself whether or not there is actually 'evil' or if it is just 'people'. is there really such a thing as 'cold', or is it merely the absence of warmth? why is there a maximum possible attainable low temperature for matter, -459 degrees celcius and no maximum attainable high temperature? 'cold' simply means that it is not 'warm'. is there really such a thing as 'darkness', or is it simply the absence of light? i can't think of a 'flashdark' that generates darkness instead of light. if there was no such thing as 'light', there would be no such thing as 'dark', because who would know to tell the difference if they never knew anything to be 'light? is there really such thing as 'stillness', or is it just the absence of movement? without movement, there would be no stillness, because an object cannot stop moving if it was never moving to begin with. just like these examples, there really is no 'evil'. it is simply the absence of good. now, just as shadows vary in darkness(the lack of light), there are varying concentrations of evil (the lack of good). obviously, a five year old caught stealing bubble gum from a store is not as 'evil' as hitler killing 6 million jews. this is not necessarily a greater, fiercer presence of evil; instead, it can be seen as a greater lack of goodness from hitler. we can tell this because it is not possible for a person to go through their life with every single one of their actions being evil. even satan, the absolute epitome of evil, was 'good' at one time, and even pretty close ot as good as possible. but it was his choice, his conscious decision, to do the wrong thing and cast a shadow on the world. so, (slackers) if you dont think there should be evil in the world, then why dont YOU be the one to make the difference, the one to be the bright light that brightens the shadow, because thats all that it is in the first place. if you arent going to be the one to erase the shadow, then you cant complain about it because you CAN do something about it, you just arent. and thats not God's fault, it's yours. and if you still wonder why people do bad things, its because it is their CHOICE. thats the great thing about the god that I believe in- he gives me the CHOICE to do what i want, just like he gives it to everybody. I often fail, but the shame and guilt that i feel, as bad as it is, is better than not being able to make decisions on my own. would you really ENJOY believeing in a God that MADE you believe him? if you were forced to be perfect- nope, cant eat that candy, its my friends and i havent asked him. nope, cant play that practical joke on grandma, God doesnt want me to. see, thats not at all a way to live. Jesus wants us ot have a relationship with him, not just follow his rules and be done with it. thats why im not a religious guy, because religion is a bunch of rules that people tell you to follow and say that if you dont follow them, you're going to hell. im anti-religion, when it comes down to it, because i believe in a personal relationship with Jesus, not a bunch of rules telling me what i can and cant do. and thats why i think a lot of people reject God, because they dont want somebody telling them what they cant and cant do. but the thing is, if you read the Bible, you would see that there is so much more than that. thats why i would encourage you to pick up a Bible and see if you change your mind.
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 11:26 PM
It's somewhat worth noting that Adolf Hitler never ordered the mass slaughter of 6 million Jews. That was Heinrich Himmler.Well, one of the biggest things this argument comes down to is absolute truth. if you believe that there is an absolute truth for everything, an absoulute right and wrong, then your beliefs could hardly be justified without there being a 'God' who defines and/or decides what is right and what is wrong. if you can honestly do something without knowing whether or not it is 'wrong', then you have a problem. if you DO know whether or not what you are doing is 'wrong', then you have to believe to some degree that there is some law or truth that makes that action 'wrong'. Now, some people believe that everyone has their own set of rules, that everyone can justify themselves, and that there is no ultimate governing truth. this works for many people, because that means that they can do whatever they want and still feel good about themselves because they can justify their own actions by their own set of morals. now, my problem with that is if you can try tell me that Hitler was justified in doing what he did just because it conformed to his set of 'right' and 'wrong', i wont listen to another word that you have to say because there is no way that by ANY standards that hitler did was right. if you <i> could</i> find a way to justify hitlers actions, then i would stop believing in an absolute truth. however, there is no way to justify what he did so therefore i believe that we all have a guideline that we follow adn our conscience usually tells us whether or not what we are doing follows that guideline. Now, if there IS an absolute truth, who created it? who is anybody to tell me if i am doing something wrong? well, from my experience, there is only one answer to that question, and that is a God who created the universe and everything in it. even if we did all evolve from slimy pieces of crap over billions of years, did our conscience evolve with us? and if it did, why are humans the only animals that have a conscience? It all points toward an intelligent designer who created us to 'walk upright among the other living things of the earth' and who wants us to have a relationship with him. now, why is there evil in the world?
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Posted 21 December 2005 - 11:59 PM
Ah, good ol' Mr. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy... The man who referred to himself as a "Radical Atheist" and didn't believe in God because he found that there wasn't any evidence to support His existance. Judging from what I've just said, I'm curious as to what Mr. Rhino Suit put up as evidence to God not existing.god = fake. read salmon of doubt by douglas adams and read his article about the artificial god. that should clear some things up.
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 05:53 AM
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but I have a friend who is a professer at a SECULAR university, and he's told me many a time that if anyone ever tried using an evelutionary thesis or anything of that sort on an entrance exam or test anywhere they would be thourghly laughed out of the room. Evelution is merely a lie they teach you in grade school since A)you SUPPOSEDLY do not have the ability to understand anything more "complex" and B) The people who started and are continuing the belief in evolution are also the beauracrats who run the curriculum End of storySo I'm goin in the direction of a omnipotent God who really loves us and sent his Son to die for us
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 10:01 AM
What university is this? And more importantly, what subject does your friend teach? Intelligent design has no place in schools as it a blatant attempt by creationists to shove their views down children's throats.I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but I have a friend who is a professer at a SECULAR university, and he's told me many a time that if anyone ever tried using an evelutionary thesis or anything of that sort on an entrance exam or test anywhere they would be thourghly laughed out of the room. Evelution is merely a lie they teach you in grade school since A)you SUPPOSEDLY do not have the ability to understand anything more "complex" and B) The people who started and are continuing the belief in evolution are also the beauracrats who run the curriculum End of storySo I'm goin in the direction of a omnipotent God who really loves us and sent his Son to die for us
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 02:28 PM
I recall someone said to me before:Should I believe in god or not? Let's see.If I do not believe in god and there is no god, I will be able do anything I want without eternal punishment.If I do not believe in god and there is a god, I will be able do anything I want but I will have eternal punishment.If I do believe in god and there is no god, I will not be able do anything I want and I will get nothing in return.If I do believe in god and there is a god, I will not be able do anything I want but I will get eternal happiness in return.I go for the risk and believe in god. 
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 05:35 PM
I don't believe in God, I believe in reïncarnation, thats it, if there ever were Gods, then they are probably in a deep sleep for ages, otherwise they probably wouldn't accept the crap happening on earth
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 08:29 PM
What makes you think God needs to sleep. Everything we do has consequences. Do you really think all the filthy sinners are just happy as can be? The first step in believing God is accepting him as your personal savor, that assures your place in heaven. Next, the step oftenly forgotten, is following God's commandments and he will show you favor here on earth and in heaven.I don't believe in God, I believe in reïncarnation, thats it, if there ever were Gods, then they are probably in a deep sleep for ages, otherwise they probably wouldn't accept the crap happening on earth
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Posted 23 December 2005 - 03:00 AM
I think that for all this to exist, there must be something that is beyond this world, but I don't believe in this brilliant God, his omnipotence and omnipresence or any religion's teachings, especially Christianity, which is just some stupid religion that changed continually to suit the people. I don't pretend to know how we all came about, but I certainly don't believe in any of the bible's nonsense. I think religion is needed, though, because it is all that stops many nutcases from destroying everything.
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Posted 23 December 2005 - 04:39 AM
Yet, if a public school wants to touch the subject of the beginning of time they have to abide by the rules and shove evolution down the throats of children, right? They can either teach evolution or they can't touch the subject of a universal beginning at all. Creationism is there so that kids have a choice as to what to embrace. *Note: The Separation of Church and State was created to prevent faith from blinding the government's judgement, not to completely turn out nation into an atheistic one.*What university is this? And more importantly, what subject does your friend teach? Intelligent design has no place in schools as it a blatant attempt by creationists to shove their views down children's throats.
