Homosexuals existed even in Jesus's days. Simply because the devil confuses the minds of people. You don't see gay animals and bugs fo you? It's just not natural. sure the catholica believe what they believe, then why do you think that they always find the catholocs in high postions having their way with little boy? It's not hard to get the point. Homosexuality is not a lifestyle. It is a strong unclean spirit takes over the mind. The devil does have some power, but he can't do anything without God's permission. Therefore, it exists because god let it. Not because he likes it, but because it is written that it would happen and everything has it's reason. Now we are dealing with the mind of God, which is our unequal match. So, if you want to know the reason god made homosexuality, ask him look for the answer.....Do you listen to yourself? By Thor's......hammer, screwdriver, and crescent wrench, but you are illogical. America sucks because the Republicans try to involve religion in politics. I'm sorry if that offends any Republic-Ok, I'm not sorry if it does. However, last I checked Republicans were on the right side of the political spectrum, and I've never heard of the "religious left". There's no right or wrong God, and no right or wrong religion. No religion's gotten it right yet, and all religions that answer to the Vatican are nowhere close to it. Take homosexuality for example. I've heard Catholics say that homosexuality is bad because it's "unnatural". However, this implies that God f--ked up. According to Catholic doctrine, God is infallible. This means He can't f--k up. God created everything, and that includes homosexuality. If He didn't want it to exist, He never would have let it exist in the first place. Also, America's not the wealthiest country, as zoloft said. Granted, most Americans like to think they're the wealthiest, but that's because we make the Ancient Romans look like a civilization of Gandhis and Mother Teresas. And, to use the Bible as a historical text is....well, it's moronic. The Bible is a religious text, and nothing more. I accept it as the written Word of God, but it was written by humans, and humans, unlike God, are totally capable of f--king up, and do so on a daily basis.Yet, Americans conquered the Natives in God's name. Of course America is falling short, simply because they are taking god out of everything. first schools, then the white house. I hear they are trying to take it off the money. There is wven this group who is trying to get rid of God in the United States. That is why America is falling short. I'm not taking down on my religion, but it is based on what is right and Americans know who they serve if they don't obey then they get punished. And about the bacteria. have you ever heard of anyhting called human error. The scientists know too much for their own good. first we came from monkeys, then from bacteria. Next thing you hear is that we came from air and milk. Science has reached out beyond the wits of man and God beyond all. According to statistics, the Americans are the wealthiest ( not to take sides, just out of my references). So the big question is,"Who's god is the true God?' Well the records in the bible show when all those other Gods you hear about in Asia came into being. Therefore, due to history, God (Christianity: Pentacostal), is the only god and is real. There may be others who are wealthy and prosperous, but my bible says those type of people lay up for his people (which is self explanitory). So......Amen
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Posted 24 December 2005 - 11:56 PM
Yes, actually I do see gay animals. Quite often, in fact. I've seen two male dogs getting it on, two male cats getting it on, and even two male rabbits getting it on. Not just on one occasion, either. Many many times have I seen this. I'm definately NOT homosexual, and I'm probably as straight as they come. However I definately can't agree with you about animals not being homosexual.You don't see gay animals and bugs (do) you?
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Posted 25 December 2005 - 01:43 AM
I think He made it because he doesn't have a problem with it. You're right, Satan cannot touch humanity without God's permission. So, by saying homosexuality is the result of a "strong unclean spirit", which implies that Satan is involved somehow, you are still saying God let it happen. If God loves humanity, which I think He does, f--k-ups though we are, He would not allow something He thought could be harmful to us. You're not really helping yourself, you know..Homosexuals existed even in Jesus's days. Simply because the devil confuses the minds of people. You don't see gay animals and bugs fo you? It's just not natural. sure the catholica believe what they believe, then why do you think that they always find the catholocs in high postions having their way with little boy? It's not hard to get the point. Homosexuality is not a lifestyle. It is a strong unclean spirit takes over the mind. The devil does have some power, but he can't do anything without God's permission. Therefore, it exists because god let it. Not because he likes it, but because it is written that it would happen and everything has it's reason. Now we are dealing with the mind of God, which is our unequal match. So, if you want to know the reason god made homosexuality, ask him look for the answer.....Do you listen to yourself? By Thor's......hammer, screwdriver, and crescent wrench, but you are illogical. America sucks because the Republicans try to involve religion in politics. I'm sorry if that offends any Republic-Ok, I'm not sorry if it does. However, last I checked Republicans were on the right side of the political spectrum, and I've never heard of the "religious left". There's no right or wrong God, and no right or wrong religion. No religion's gotten it right yet, and all religions that answer to the Vatican are nowhere close to it. Take homosexuality for example. I've heard Catholics say that homosexuality is bad because it's "unnatural". However, this implies that God f--ked up. According to Catholic doctrine, God is infallible. This means He can't f--k up. God created everything, and that includes homosexuality. If He didn't want it to exist, He never would have let it exist in the first place. Also, America's not the wealthiest country, as zoloft said. Granted, most Americans like to think they're the wealthiest, but that's because we make the Ancient Romans look like a civilization of Gandhis and Mother Teresas. And, to use the Bible as a historical text is....well, it's moronic. The Bible is a religious text, and nothing more. I accept it as the written Word of God, but it was written by humans, and humans, unlike God, are totally capable of f--king up, and do so on a daily basis.Yet, Americans conquered the Natives in God's name. Of course America is falling short, simply because they are taking god out of everything. first schools, then the white house. I hear they are trying to take it off the money. There is wven this group who is trying to get rid of God in the United States. That is why America is falling short. I'm not taking down on my religion, but it is based on what is right and Americans know who they serve if they don't obey then they get punished. And about the bacteria. have you ever heard of anyhting called human error. The scientists know too much for their own good. first we came from monkeys, then from bacteria. Next thing you hear is that we came from air and milk. Science has reached out beyond the wits of man and God beyond all. According to statistics, the Americans are the wealthiest ( not to take sides, just out of my references). So the big question is,"Who's god is the true God?' Well the records in the bible show when all those other Gods you hear about in Asia came into being. Therefore, due to history, God (Christianity: Pentacostal), is the only god and is real. There may be others who are wealthy and prosperous, but my bible says those type of people lay up for his people (which is self explanitory). So......Amen
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Posted 25 December 2005 - 03:13 AM
It's already been stated that there ARE animals that engage in homosexual behavior. In fact, dolphins and varies species of monkeys have been seen in the wild engaging in sodomy. These are some of the smartest animals in the world, behind humans, that engage in this behavior. And there's a difference between Catholic Priests that "have their way" with little boys just and two homosexuals in a long term consensual relationship just as there is a difference between a pedophile that molests little girls and two married heterosexuals.Homosexuals existed even in Jesus's days. Simply because the devil confuses the minds of people. You don't see gay animals and bugs fo you? It's just not natural. sure the catholica believe what they believe, then why do you think that they always find the catholocs in high postions having their way with little boy? It's not hard to get the point. Homosexuality is not a lifestyle. It is a strong unclean spirit takes over the mind. The devil does have some power, but he can't do anything without God's permission. Therefore, it exists because god let it. Not because he likes it, but because it is written that it would happen and everything has it's reason. Now we are dealing with the mind of God, which is our unequal match. So, if you want to know the reason god made homosexuality, ask him look for the answer.....Do you listen to yourself? By Thor's......hammer, screwdriver, and crescent wrench, but you are illogical. America sucks because the Republicans try to involve religion in politics. I'm sorry if that offends any Republic-Ok, I'm not sorry if it does. However, last I checked Republicans were on the right side of the political spectrum, and I've never heard of the "religious left". There's no right or wrong God, and no right or wrong religion. No religion's gotten it right yet, and all religions that answer to the Vatican are nowhere close to it. Take homosexuality for example. I've heard Catholics say that homosexuality is bad because it's "unnatural". However, this implies that God f--ked up. According to Catholic doctrine, God is infallible. This means He can't f--k up. God created everything, and that includes homosexuality. If He didn't want it to exist, He never would have let it exist in the first place. Also, America's not the wealthiest country, as zoloft said. Granted, most Americans like to think they're the wealthiest, but that's because we make the Ancient Romans look like a civilization of Gandhis and Mother Teresas. And, to use the Bible as a historical text is....well, it's moronic. The Bible is a religious text, and nothing more. I accept it as the written Word of God, but it was written by humans, and humans, unlike God, are totally capable of f--king up, and do so on a daily basis.Yet, Americans conquered the Natives in God's name. Of course America is falling short, simply because they are taking god out of everything. first schools, then the white house. I hear they are trying to take it off the money. There is wven this group who is trying to get rid of God in the United States. That is why America is falling short. I'm not taking down on my religion, but it is based on what is right and Americans know who they serve if they don't obey then they get punished. And about the bacteria. have you ever heard of anyhting called human error. The scientists know too much for their own good. first we came from monkeys, then from bacteria. Next thing you hear is that we came from air and milk. Science has reached out beyond the wits of man and God beyond all. According to statistics, the Americans are the wealthiest ( not to take sides, just out of my references). So the big question is,"Who's god is the true God?' Well the records in the bible show when all those other Gods you hear about in Asia came into being. Therefore, due to history, God (Christianity: Pentacostal), is the only god and is real. There may be others who are wealthy and prosperous, but my bible says those type of people lay up for his people (which is self explanitory). So......Amen
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What's so unclean about it?It's still an unclean spirit. In monkeys, humans, dogs, priests, whatever;and, god knew what he was doing when he created homos anyway. Like I stated before, Satan can't do anything without god's permission (it's in the bible)( KJV). Also it is not always satan. Sometimes it is just how you "think" youu feeel about someone. Most gay people I meet say they don't know what they "want" (which is a sign of satan). Others say they feel comfortable with it (which is human feelings). Plus, in the bible, it explains the different types of ways that people will think, due to the sex that they like. And it clearly explains that it will not be easy on your if you have a strong feeling for someone and can't fight it, and your "first" will be the one who you "can't get enough of". That's why when people "try it out" to see how homosexuality is, they wind up stuck on it.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 05:37 AM
We could talk about whether or not god exists, but that's pointless since god either exists or doesn't and talking about it doesn't change anything.So..(Plus): Is there something else that we could discuss (all) besides homos because that subject is getting old and tired.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 05:45 AM
I get what you are saying.....he still exists.....and taling about it doesn't change whether he does or doesn't..........pointless you say.........We could talk about whether or not god exists, but that's pointless since god either exists or doesn't and talking about it doesn't change anything.So..(Plus): Is there something else that we could discuss (all) besides homos because that subject is getting old and tired.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 09:55 AM
Not knowing what you want means you lack direction. Lack of direction does NOT equal you being influenced by Satan in any way, shape, or form. There are many sources of direction other than religion. I lost direction for a while earlier this year, and I found it again because I have friends, two of whom are homosexual. There's nothing wrong with it because the people in the Catholic Church say so. If the Good Lord had intended us not to question things, if He had not intended us to think for ourselves, if He had not intended us to doubt, He would not have made us people. Do you know what He would have made us? Sheep. Four-legged animals that do what they're told without doubt or question. We doubt. We question. Why? Because we're human. Our ability to question the things God does is a sign that He intended us to do it. Like I said earlier, God is infallible. He cannot err in anything. For Him to do so would negate all existence. From homosexuality, to humanity's ability to question God, and His Church....they are all existent because God intended them to exist.It's still an unclean spirit. In monkeys, humans, dogs, priests, whatever;and, god knew what he was doing when he created homos anyway. Like I stated before, Satan can't do anything without god's permission (it's in the bible)( KJV). Also it is not always satan. Sometimes it is just how you "think" youu feeel about someone. Most gay people I meet say they don't know what they "want" (which is a sign of satan). Others say they feel comfortable with it (which is human feelings). Plus, in the bible, it explains the different types of ways that people will think, due to the sex that they like. And it clearly explains that it will not be easy on your if you have a strong feeling for someone and can't fight it, and your "first" will be the one who you "can't get enough of". That's why when people "try it out" to see how homosexuality is, they wind up stuck on it.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 07:55 PM
So you're saying god intended on people being gay......not so. and I see you follow what your Roman Cathlic people say....I respect that. However, I don't know where you got thes sheep idea but it sounds really silly. Also, about the four-legged animals, "man's best friend" is full of doubt. My dog doesn't even take chances. I tell him to jump off a box she trembles. If she was doubtless she would have done it. In fact I have a well-trained roc. It shouldn't be scared of anything, but doubt set in. Sheep also lose their way in doubt also. Why do you think that a sheperd must find him sheep if they get lost, because of doubt and temptation with a lacking of direction. So comparing sheep to people in that concept would be pointless.Not knowing what you want means you lack direction. Lack of direction does NOT equal you being influenced by Satan in any way, shape, or form. There are many sources of direction other than religion. I lost direction for a while earlier this year, and I found it again because I have friends, two of whom are homosexual. There's nothing wrong with it because the people in the Catholic Church say so. If the Good Lord had intended us not to question things, if He had not intended us to think for ourselves, if He had not intended us to doubt, He would not have made us people. Do you know what He would have made us? Sheep. Four-legged animals that do what they're told without doubt or question. We doubt. We question. Why? Because we're human. Our ability to question the things God does is a sign that He intended us to do it. Like I said earlier, God is infallible. He cannot err in anything. For Him to do so would negate all existence. From homosexuality, to humanity's ability to question God, and His Church....they are all existent because God intended them to exist.It's still an unclean spirit. In monkeys, humans, dogs, priests, whatever;and, god knew what he was doing when he created homos anyway. Like I stated before, Satan can't do anything without god's permission (it's in the bible)( KJV). Also it is not always satan. Sometimes it is just how you "think" youu feeel about someone. Most gay people I meet say they don't know what they "want" (which is a sign of satan). Others say they feel comfortable with it (which is human feelings). Plus, in the bible, it explains the different types of ways that people will think, due to the sex that they like. And it clearly explains that it will not be easy on your if you have a strong feeling for someone and can't fight it, and your "first" will be the one who you "can't get enough of". That's why when people "try it out" to see how homosexuality is, they wind up stuck on it.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:10 PM
Ok, the "sheep" thing comes from the word "sheep" being used to describe people who do what they're told without question and without doubt. And even if homosexuality is the result of something Satanic, Luciferic, or otherwise Demonic, it still could not have happened without God's permission. You said it yourself. Satan cannot harm, influence, or otherwise touch humanity without God's permission. And where in the name of Axis did that dog thing come from? Also, when the word "Roc" is spelled "Roc", it's talking about a mythical bird...*Sigh* This is why I hate my religion....So you're saying god intended on people being gay......not so. and I see you follow what your Roman Cathlic people say....I respect that. However, I don't know where you got thes sheep idea but it sounds really silly. Also, about the four-legged animals, "man's best friend" is full of doubt. My dog doesn't even take chances. I tell him to jump off a box she trembles. If she was doubtless she would have done it. In fact I have a well-trained roc. It shouldn't be scared of anything, but doubt set in. Sheep also lose their way in doubt also. Why do you think that a sheperd must find him sheep if they get lost, because of doubt and temptation with a lacking of direction. So comparing sheep to people in that concept would be pointless.Not knowing what you want means you lack direction. Lack of direction does NOT equal you being influenced by Satan in any way, shape, or form. There are many sources of direction other than religion. I lost direction for a while earlier this year, and I found it again because I have friends, two of whom are homosexual. There's nothing wrong with it because the people in the Catholic Church say so. If the Good Lord had intended us not to question things, if He had not intended us to think for ourselves, if He had not intended us to doubt, He would not have made us people. Do you know what He would have made us? Sheep. Four-legged animals that do what they're told without doubt or question. We doubt. We question. Why? Because we're human. Our ability to question the things God does is a sign that He intended us to do it. Like I said earlier, God is infallible. He cannot err in anything. For Him to do so would negate all existence. From homosexuality, to humanity's ability to question God, and His Church....they are all existent because God intended them to exist.It's still an unclean spirit. In monkeys, humans, dogs, priests, whatever;and, god knew what he was doing when he created homos anyway. Like I stated before, Satan can't do anything without god's permission (it's in the bible)( KJV). Also it is not always satan. Sometimes it is just how you "think" youu feeel about someone. Most gay people I meet say they don't know what they "want" (which is a sign of satan). Others say they feel comfortable with it (which is human feelings). Plus, in the bible, it explains the different types of ways that people will think, due to the sex that they like. And it clearly explains that it will not be easy on your if you have a strong feeling for someone and can't fight it, and your "first" will be the one who you "can't get enough of". That's why when people "try it out" to see how homosexuality is, they wind up stuck on it.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:21 PM
So your saying that theres a God and a Devil and that God agrees with the Devil sometimes which leads to problems. Is that what your saying?QUOTE(reubob @ Dec 27 2005, 11:55 AM) QUOTE(Hideyori @ Dec 27 2005, 01:55 AM) QUOTE(reubob @ Dec 26 2005, 02:56 PM) It's still an unclean spirit. In monkeys, humans, dogs, priests, whatever;and, god knew what he was doing when he created homos anyway. Like I stated before, Satan can't do anything without god's permission (it's in the bible)( KJV). Also it is not always satan. Sometimes it is just how you "think" youu feeel about someone. Most gay people I meet say they don't know what they "want" (which is a sign of satan). Others say they feel comfortable with it (which is human feelings). Plus, in the bible, it explains the different types of ways that people will think, due to the sex that they like. And it clearly explains that it will not be easy on your if you have a strong feeling for someone and can't fight it, and your "first" will be the one who you "can't get enough of". That's why when people "try it out" to see how homosexuality is, they wind up stuck on it.Not knowing what you want means you lack direction. Lack of direction does NOT equal you being influenced by Satan in any way, shape, or form. There are many sources of direction other than religion. I lost direction for a while earlier this year, and I found it again because I have friends, two of whom are homosexual. There's nothing wrong with it because the people in the Catholic Church say so. If the Good Lord had intended us not to question things, if He had not intended us to think for ourselves, if He had not intended us to doubt, He would not have made us people. Do you know what He would have made us? Sheep. Four-legged animals that do what they're told without doubt or question. We doubt. We question. Why? Because we're human. Our ability to question the things God does is a sign that He intended us to do it. Like I said earlier, God is infallible. He cannot err in anything. For Him to do so would negate all existence. From homosexuality, to humanity's ability to question God, and His Church....they are all existent because God intended them to exist.So you're saying god intended on people being gay......not so. and I see you follow what your Roman Cathlic people say....I respect that. However, I don't know where you got thes sheep idea but it sounds really silly. Also, about the four-legged animals, "man's best friend" is full of doubt. My dog doesn't even take chances. I tell him to jump off a box she trembles. If she was doubtless she would have done it. In fact I have a well-trained roc. It shouldn't be scared of anything, but doubt set in. Sheep also lose their way in doubt also. Why do you think that a sheperd must find him sheep if they get lost, because of doubt and temptation with a lacking of direction. So comparing sheep to people in that concept would be pointless.Ok, the "sheep" thing comes from the word "sheep" being used to describe people who do what they're told without question and without doubt. And even if homosexuality is the result of something Satanic, Luciferic, or otherwise Demonic, it still could not have happened without God's permission. You said it yourself. Satan cannot harm, influence, or otherwise touch humanity without God's permission. And where in the name of Axis did that dog thing come from? Also, when the word "Roc" is spelled "Roc", it's talking about a mythical bird...*Sigh* This is why I hate my religion....
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:33 PM
He doesn't agree with him, he gives him permission to do things to us because of the sinful things we do, which is the thing god doesn't like sin. We are naturally sinners but if you let God into your life you will be cleansed and "don't have to sin anymore". Yes, I'm saying that it is possible not to sin. Yes, I know a number of people who are sin free. And have proven it. I have actually "watched them" for months, years, all my life to see if this religous thing is real. So far I haven't seen any faults in it. I know I know,"You haven't watched what they do while you're not looking". I am with them 95% of the time. The only time I dont see them is when they go to work or to the store. Now I'm sure you round up, right. So, I'm so saying that he agree, he justs give the devil permission to actually torment, yes torment the the person he choosed as a punishment for the sinful things they to.So your saying that theres a God and a Devil and that God agrees with the Devil sometimes which leads to problems. Is that what your saying?QUOTE(reubob @ Dec 27 2005, 11:55 AM) QUOTE(Hideyori @ Dec 27 2005, 01:55 AM) QUOTE(reubob @ Dec 26 2005, 02:56 PM) It's still an unclean spirit. In monkeys, humans, dogs, priests, whatever;and, god knew what he was doing when he created homos anyway. Like I stated before, Satan can't do anything without god's permission (it's in the bible)( KJV). Also it is not always satan. Sometimes it is just how you "think" youu feeel about someone. Most gay people I meet say they don't know what they "want" (which is a sign of satan). Others say they feel comfortable with it (which is human feelings). Plus, in the bible, it explains the different types of ways that people will think, due to the sex that they like. And it clearly explains that it will not be easy on your if you have a strong feeling for someone and can't fight it, and your "first" will be the one who you "can't get enough of". That's why when people "try it out" to see how homosexuality is, they wind up stuck on it.Not knowing what you want means you lack direction. Lack of direction does NOT equal you being influenced by Satan in any way, shape, or form. There are many sources of direction other than religion. I lost direction for a while earlier this year, and I found it again because I have friends, two of whom are homosexual. There's nothing wrong with it because the people in the Catholic Church say so. If the Good Lord had intended us not to question things, if He had not intended us to think for ourselves, if He had not intended us to doubt, He would not have made us people. Do you know what He would have made us? Sheep. Four-legged animals that do what they're told without doubt or question. We doubt. We question. Why? Because we're human. Our ability to question the things God does is a sign that He intended us to do it. Like I said earlier, God is infallible. He cannot err in anything. For Him to do so would negate all existence. From homosexuality, to humanity's ability to question God, and His Church....they are all existent because God intended them to exist.So you're saying god intended on people being gay......not so. and I see you follow what your Roman Cathlic people say....I respect that. However, I don't know where you got thes sheep idea but it sounds really silly. Also, about the four-legged animals, "man's best friend" is full of doubt. My dog doesn't even take chances. I tell him to jump off a box she trembles. If she was doubtless she would have done it. In fact I have a well-trained roc. It shouldn't be scared of anything, but doubt set in. Sheep also lose their way in doubt also. Why do you think that a sheperd must find him sheep if they get lost, because of doubt and temptation with a lacking of direction. So comparing sheep to people in that concept would be pointless.Ok, the "sheep" thing comes from the word "sheep" being used to describe people who do what they're told without question and without doubt. And even if homosexuality is the result of something Satanic, Luciferic, or otherwise Demonic, it still could not have happened without God's permission. You said it yourself. Satan cannot harm, influence, or otherwise touch humanity without God's permission. And where in the name of Axis did that dog thing come from? Also, when the word "Roc" is spelled "Roc", it's talking about a mythical bird...*Sigh* This is why I hate my religion....
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:39 PM
I saw a person in church that proven that he was sin free, yes its possible i agree with you. But Punishing people would only make the Devil stronger isnt that true?QUOTE(dgemu.com @ Dec 27 2005, 12:21 PM) QUOTEQUOTE(reubob @ Dec 27 2005, 11:55 AM) QUOTE(Hideyori @ Dec 27 2005, 01:55 AM) QUOTE(reubob @ Dec 26 2005, 02:56 PM) It's still an unclean spirit. In monkeys, humans, dogs, priests, whatever;and, god knew what he was doing when he created homos anyway. Like I stated before, Satan can't do anything without god's permission (it's in the bible)( KJV). Also it is not always satan. Sometimes it is just how you "think" youu feeel about someone. Most gay people I meet say they don't know what they "want" (which is a sign of satan). Others say they feel comfortable with it (which is human feelings). Plus, in the bible, it explains the different types of ways that people will think, due to the sex that they like. And it clearly explains that it will not be easy on your if you have a strong feeling for someone and can't fight it, and your "first" will be the one who you "can't get enough of". That's why when people "try it out" to see how homosexuality is, they wind up stuck on it.Not knowing what you want means you lack direction. Lack of direction does NOT equal you being influenced by Satan in any way, shape, or form. There are many sources of direction other than religion. I lost direction for a while earlier this year, and I found it again because I have friends, two of whom are homosexual. There's nothing wrong with it because the people in the Catholic Church say so. If the Good Lord had intended us not to question things, if He had not intended us to think for ourselves, if He had not intended us to doubt, He would not have made us people. Do you know what He would have made us? Sheep. Four-legged animals that do what they're told without doubt or question. We doubt. We question. Why? Because we're human. Our ability to question the things God does is a sign that He intended us to do it. Like I said earlier, God is infallible. He cannot err in anything. For Him to do so would negate all existence. From homosexuality, to humanity's ability to question God, and His Church....they are all existent because God intended them to exist.So you're saying god intended on people being gay......not so. and I see you follow what your Roman Cathlic people say....I respect that. However, I don't know where you got thes sheep idea but it sounds really silly. Also, about the four-legged animals, "man's best friend" is full of doubt. My dog doesn't even take chances. I tell him to jump off a box she trembles. If she was doubtless she would have done it. In fact I have a well-trained roc. It shouldn't be scared of anything, but doubt set in. Sheep also lose their way in doubt also. Why do you think that a sheperd must find him sheep if they get lost, because of doubt and temptation with a lacking of direction. So comparing sheep to people in that concept would be pointless.Ok, the "sheep" thing comes from the word "sheep" being used to describe people who do what they're told without question and without doubt. And even if homosexuality is the result of something Satanic, Luciferic, or otherwise Demonic, it still could not have happened without God's permission. You said it yourself. Satan cannot harm, influence, or otherwise touch humanity without God's permission. And where in the name of Axis did that dog thing come from? Also, when the word "Roc" is spelled "Roc", it's talking about a mythical bird...*Sigh* This is why I hate my religion....So your saying that theres a God and a Devil and that God agrees with the Devil sometimes which leads to problems. Is that what your saying?He doesn't agree with him, he gives him permission to do things to us because of the sinful things we do, which is the thing god doesn't like sin. We are naturally sinners but if you let God into your life you will be cleansed and "don't have to sin anymore". Yes, I'm saying that it is possible not to sin. Yes, I know a number of people who are sin free. And have proven it. I have actually "watched them" for months, years, all my life to see if this religous thing is real. So far I haven't seen any faults in it. I know I know,"You haven't watched what they do while you're not looking". I am with them 95% of the time. The only time I dont see them is when they go to work or to the store. Now I'm sure you round up, right. So, I'm so saying that he agree, he justs give the devil permission to actually torment, yes torment the the person he choosed as a punishment for the sinful things they to.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:40 PM
Edited by The Foo Foo bunny Rriders, 27 December 2005 - 09:01 PM.
"A boy has the right to dream. There are endless possibilities stretched out before him. What awaits him down the path, he will then have to choose. The boy doesn't always know. At some point, the boy then becomes an adult, and learns what he was able to become. Joy and sadness forever will accompany this. He is confronted with a choice. When this happens, does he bid his past farewell in his heart? Once a boy becomes an adult, he can no longer go back to being a boy. The boy is now a man. Only one thing can be said. A boy has the right to dream. For those endless possibilities are stretched out before him. We must remember. All men were once boys."
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:48 PM
No, god doesn't give him power. According to my bible, the devil is roaming the earth, seeking who he may devour. He can take the shape and form of anything. That has been proven. You know when people say they saw a headless man making crop circles, it aint nothing but the devil. "Oh my god I saw an alien last night" "they took over my body" .......just the devil. Why do god let things like that happen to people? Again, the sinful things they do. I guarantee you that those people has so type of crazy background or history. Religion is not fake, it is the different types that are fake.I saw a person in church that proven that he was sin free, yes its possible i agree with you. But Punishing people would only make the Devil stronger isnt that true?QUOTE(dgemu.com @ Dec 27 2005, 12:21 PM) QUOTEQUOTE(reubob @ Dec 27 2005, 11:55 AM) QUOTE(Hideyori @ Dec 27 2005, 01:55 AM) QUOTE(reubob @ Dec 26 2005, 02:56 PM) It's still an unclean spirit. In monkeys, humans, dogs, priests, whatever;and, god knew what he was doing when he created homos anyway. Like I stated before, Satan can't do anything without god's permission (it's in the bible)( KJV). Also it is not always satan. Sometimes it is just how you "think" youu feeel about someone. Most gay people I meet say they don't know what they "want" (which is a sign of satan). Others say they feel comfortable with it (which is human feelings). Plus, in the bible, it explains the different types of ways that people will think, due to the sex that they like. And it clearly explains that it will not be easy on your if you have a strong feeling for someone and can't fight it, and your "first" will be the one who you "can't get enough of". That's why when people "try it out" to see how homosexuality is, they wind up stuck on it.Not knowing what you want means you lack direction. Lack of direction does NOT equal you being influenced by Satan in any way, shape, or form. There are many sources of direction other than religion. I lost direction for a while earlier this year, and I found it again because I have friends, two of whom are homosexual. There's nothing wrong with it because the people in the Catholic Church say so. If the Good Lord had intended us not to question things, if He had not intended us to think for ourselves, if He had not intended us to doubt, He would not have made us people. Do you know what He would have made us? Sheep. Four-legged animals that do what they're told without doubt or question. We doubt. We question. Why? Because we're human. Our ability to question the things God does is a sign that He intended us to do it. Like I said earlier, God is infallible. He cannot err in anything. For Him to do so would negate all existence. From homosexuality, to humanity's ability to question God, and His Church....they are all existent because God intended them to exist.So you're saying god intended on people being gay......not so. and I see you follow what your Roman Cathlic people say....I respect that. However, I don't know where you got thes sheep idea but it sounds really silly. Also, about the four-legged animals, "man's best friend" is full of doubt. My dog doesn't even take chances. I tell him to jump off a box she trembles. If she was doubtless she would have done it. In fact I have a well-trained roc. It shouldn't be scared of anything, but doubt set in. Sheep also lose their way in doubt also. Why do you think that a sheperd must find him sheep if they get lost, because of doubt and temptation with a lacking of direction. So comparing sheep to people in that concept would be pointless.Ok, the "sheep" thing comes from the word "sheep" being used to describe people who do what they're told without question and without doubt. And even if homosexuality is the result of something Satanic, Luciferic, or otherwise Demonic, it still could not have happened without God's permission. You said it yourself. Satan cannot harm, influence, or otherwise touch humanity without God's permission. And where in the name of Axis did that dog thing come from? Also, when the word "Roc" is spelled "Roc", it's talking about a mythical bird...*Sigh* This is why I hate my religion....So your saying that theres a God and a Devil and that God agrees with the Devil sometimes which leads to problems. Is that what your saying?He doesn't agree with him, he gives him permission to do things to us because of the sinful things we do, which is the thing god doesn't like sin. We are naturally sinners but if you let God into your life you will be cleansed and "don't have to sin anymore". Yes, I'm saying that it is possible not to sin. Yes, I know a number of people who are sin free. And have proven it. I have actually "watched them" for months, years, all my life to see if this religous thing is real. So far I haven't seen any faults in it. I know I know,"You haven't watched what they do while you're not looking". I am with them 95% of the time. The only time I dont see them is when they go to work or to the store. Now I'm sure you round up, right. So, I'm so saying that he agree, he justs give the devil permission to actually torment, yes torment the the person he choosed as a punishment for the sinful things they to.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:54 PM
Edited by dgemu.com, 27 December 2005 - 08:57 PM.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:59 PM
You are so right, and notice that nothing happened when Eve ate the fruit, but when Adam ate it that's when things began to change. Yep it was their fault. The devil came to them in the form of a snake. It's sad though, he used to be in heaven.I would say that the only reason he would do this is because of "Adam y Eva" (sorry dont know there names in English since Spanish was the first language i learned) they ate a fruit from the tree that god said not to eat. The snake also known as the Devil told them to eat from it. He said that notting would happen so he showed them and ate one of the fruits. Then "Adam" eat one also. God asked them "Who ate from this tree" and so they said that they did and were punished. Men would have to work while Women would have to reseve pain when giving birth.
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Posted 28 December 2005 - 09:13 AM
Don't forget that humans wrote it, and humans are f--k-ups.yes the bible has different versions which is one reason why u cant trust everything u hear or readYnnadI believe in God, but I don't believe in everything the Bible tells us.
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Posted 28 December 2005 - 11:31 AM
That being the case... God supposedly created Man in his image. That's all fine and good, but what does that say about God?Oh come on, like that wasn't going to come up eventually in this topic.Don't forget that humans wrote it, and humans are f--k-ups.yes the bible has different versions which is one reason why u cant trust everything u hear or readYnnadI believe in God, but I don't believe in everything the Bible tells us.
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Posted 28 December 2005 - 12:49 PM
Hey, we were the ones who chose to disobey Him.That being the case... God supposedly created Man in his image. That's all fine and good, but what does that say about God?Oh come on, like that wasn't going to come up eventually in this topic.Don't forget that humans wrote it, and humans are f--k-ups.yes the bible has different versions which is one reason why u cant trust everything u hear or readYnnadI believe in God, but I don't believe in everything the Bible tells us.
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Posted 28 December 2005 - 01:46 PM
