God real or not?

I dunno...I mean, whatever omnipotent higher power there might be could've just been s--t faced. Hell, look at the platypus. Who could make that when they're sober?

That being the case... God supposedly created Man in his image. That's all fine and good, but what does that say about God?Oh come on, like that wasn't going to come up eventually in this topic.

Nothing really. He created something that was capable of making decisions for itself, and it did. He has no control over our free will, just the world around us.

See, I think there are certain things that, after He created them, God said some interesting things.The Platypus: "Ohh...I gotta stop drinkin'..."The Great White Shark: "Hm...Should I put a happy face on the uvula?"Humanity: "I REALLY gotta stop drinkin'...."

Real. But not in the biblic or whatever religious book way.I simply believe there's an infinite source to all existence (Non-Physical of course). I don't believe in angels, demons or other supernatural beings though.

most of my best friends are athiests and it seems like everyone i look up to are considered "satanic", but i believe that god and religion simply cause more damage rather then bring peace. Too many ppl fight about whos religion is right rather then simply say believe in what u want and we'll see whos right when were dead

I don't really think there is do to the fact that humens where most likely created by something to do with cells then God in which is worshiped threw out alot of countrys but let me ask them this if god was real would bad things be in the world if god was real would hitler have killed so many jews.

Both religion and God are people's imagination. If they existed there should be proof. They are just believes.

And there's no proof to support the idea that He doesn't. While there may be no evidence to support His existance at the moment, there may be in the future *CoughPropheciesOfTheApocalypseCough*.

the only way of finding out god exists is when we die, then we will see who goes to heaven or hell. My religion is Islam and we believe in one god and thats Allah

Both religion and God are people's imagination. If they existed there should be proof. They are just believes.

And there's no proof to support the idea that He doesn't. While there may be no evidence to support His existance at the moment, there may be in the future *CoughPropheciesOfTheApocalypseCough*.

I hate to say it... but the book of Revelations is one big crack trip. Weird crap rising up out of the ocean and the earth. Some chic going out and banging one of these creatures. Ton's of people keep saying "IT'S TRUE! It's all just encoded..." Riiight. I'm the tooth fairy and I crap Snicker's bars. The fact is people are always anxious to "see the future" because they think it gives them some power to change it for the better.In short, if any of that crazy stuff comes to pass I'll shave my head, light myself on fire, then castrate myself and take pictures so I can post them to the internet. As for the rest of it that "already has", the fact is that kind of thing has been happening since humans learned that domination is good.

I hate to say it... but the book of Revelations is one big crack trip. Weird crap rising up out of the ocean and the earth. Some chic going out and banging one of these creatures. Ton's of people keep saying "IT'S TRUE! It's all just encoded..." Riiight. I'm the tooth fairy and I crap Snicker's bars. The fact is people are always anxious to "see the future" because they think it gives them some power to change it for the better.

Yeah, it's a hell of a crack trip if you take it litterally (Not sure if that's what you meant by encoded). The book's one big methaphor predicting the coming to power of the Anti-Christ [Or the one that will unite and lead the Anti-Christs (Anti-Christians) that already exist] and everything else involved in the Christian ending of the world.

Cult: a belief in an idol that may or may not exist and brings about worshipers.so...religion=cultcult=badtherefore, religion=bad

Hm... lemme give that logic a try. God is love and Ray Charles is blind, and love is blind, therefore Ray Charles is God!!!

Edited by kemutsemu, 30 December 2005 - 10:31 AM.

I dont believe in an omnipotent being who controls our every decision in life and holds judgement on our souls after we die it sounds like a bogus way to think. I mean if that were true then everything we do in life has no meaning other than to appease some being that created all humans in his image, and if that were true then gods not perfect because there is no such thing as a perfect person everyone is flawed in some minut way so what would give god the right to judge us if he's as flawed as the worst person on earth, yet again if the worst person on earth is that bad and he was created by god in the image of god then god is one screwed up entity. I do however believe that there are entities out there somewhere that watch over us and give us aid during the worst times of our lives. They help us look at the bright side of life and continue living. Thats what I believe.

Both religion and God are people's imagination. If they existed there should be proof. They are just believes.

And there's no proof to support the idea that He doesn't. While there may be no evidence to support His existance at the moment, there may be in the future *CoughPropheciesOfTheApocalypseCough*.

While there could be proof that god exists in the future who's to say that it'll be the christians god and not one of the many early greek, egyptian or pre christian roman gods? The future could also lead to the discovery that there is no god at all and if that happens will christians admit it? I'll admit there is a god when theres solid proof and yes i know by then it won't matter how muching praying i'll do i'd be off to hell per the whole believe without needing proof thing.Religion isn't peoples imagination it does exist and if you don't believe it does there's enough churchs and such out there just go have a look, it's just that what the religions are based on could easily be false promices about salvation and such in an attempt to gain control of peoples money and/or opinions.

Someone once said 'if God didn't exist then it would be neccissary to create him', i don't know whether God exists and i young so at the min i don't care that much. I think thats why church is full of old people.

Both religion and God are people's imagination. If they existed there should be proof. They are just believes.

And there's no proof to support the idea that He doesn't. While there may be no evidence to support His existance at the moment, there may be in the future *CoughPropheciesOfTheApocalypseCough*.

I hate to say it... but the book of Revelations is one big crack trip. Weird crap rising up out of the ocean and the earth. Some chic going out and banging one of these creatures. Ton's of people keep saying "IT'S TRUE! It's all just encoded..." Riiight. I'm the tooth fairy and I crap Snicker's bars. The fact is people are always anxious to "see the future" because they think it gives them some power to change it for the better.In short, if any of that crazy stuff comes to pass I'll shave my head, light myself on fire, then castrate myself and take pictures so I can post them to the internet. As for the rest of it that "already has", the fact is that kind of thing has been happening since humans learned that domination is good.

Actually, Revelations is more a social commentary than a big crack trip. It's just an anti-Rome social commentary in the guise of a crack trip. Remember, you couldn't do social commentary in ancient times. Well, not entirely safely, anyway.

God exists and that isn't really hard to prove:we all know that we live in infinite universe. What's infinity? Answer - it's EVERYTHING! I mean, what ever you can imagine (or can't) exists, existed and will exist in infinity. This already proves God IS there. But it's not a last fact. Now, imagine something that can destroy infinity. As we can imagine it, it must exist somewhere there. So, what's holding it from destruction of universe? A God. In fact, God IS an infinity where we all live.

God exists and that isn't really hard to prove:we all know that we live in infinite universe. What's infinity? Answer - it's EVERYTHING! I mean, what ever you can imagine (or can't) exists, existed and will exist in infinity. This already proves God IS there. But it's not a last fact. Now, imagine something that can destroy infinity. As we can imagine it, it must exist somewhere there. So, what's holding it from destruction of universe? A God. In fact, God IS an infinity where we all live.

Sweet so by that logic santa, the tooth fairy and the easter bunny exist, existed or will exist instead of being fictional.Now as for infinity there is two different concepts 1 in math and 1 in philosophy.Philosopy - potential infinity, which is the infinity of a process which never stops. Philosopy readily embraces the concept of potential infinity; in fact, it is hard to see how we can avoid it. We say that a process ends when it reaches a certain stage. In a particular case, we can define the end stage so that it never takes place. It's practical impossibilty to run any real process infinitely, and in fact, for very long, no matter how long we have run the process, we always can do, or observe, the next step. This is why this infinity is called potential. At every specific stage the process involves no more than quite a finite reality; it is infinite only potentially.Math - actual infinity which is supposed to be static and completed, so that it can be thought of as an object.But as it's infinity it therefore can't be complete and thought of as in the mathmatical concept. Everything that you try to think of in the mathmatical concept of infinity turns out to be potential infinity. Example - When we try to imagine something infinite, e.g., infinite space, we actually try to imagine a process of moving form point to point without any end in sight. This is potential, not actual, infinity.Meaning of Infinity - Infinity, is larger than anything that can possibly be imagined. The term comes from a Latin word meaning "without end."So the meaning of infinity is very different from the answer that you have tried to give to your question of whats infinity? Notice that i have said try to imagine not imagine as infinity is more than anyone/or any mulititude of peoples imagination.So with theses concepts of infinity and the meaning of infinity i fail to see how they could prove the existance of god.

While there could be proof that god exists in the future who's to say that it'll be the christians god and not one of the many early greek, egyptian or pre christian roman gods? The future could also lead to the discovery that there is no god at all and if that happens will christians admit it? I'll admit there is a god when theres solid proof and yes i know by then it won't matter how muching praying i'll do i'd be off to hell per the whole believe without needing proof thing.Religion isn't peoples imagination it does exist and if you don't believe it does there's enough churchs and such out there just go have a look, it's just that what the religions are based on could easily be false promices about salvation and such in an attempt to gain control of peoples money and/or opinions.

True, true. But gods like that would reveal themselves, declare martial law, and force belief upon the masses. It goes against the nature of the ancient gods to remain unseen and unheard for so long. True, if the investigation is infallable, then those who're compelled beyond a doubt by it would fall from the faith and most likely attempt to investigate as to whether or not there's an afterlife (Starting with ghosts). Meh, conspiracy theories... If you're gonna make one, do us all a favor and investigate it, and if you were right, feel free to reveal it to the world...

Edited by kemutsemu, 31 December 2005 - 05:07 AM.

i believe theres a God. i gathered that in order for there to be creation, there must be a creator. Everything around us is designed. From our hearts to our brains, and even the chemicals around have been created somehow. Some ppl may say that we are nothing more than an accident because we were made by the BIG BANG. What makes them think that God didnt use the Big Bang to create us? From the Christian side (the only one that makes sense 2 me. im not putting ne ppl down), they dont doubt the Big Bang theoroy. i've also taken philosophy class. in philosophy u can make jus about everything sound right even tho u are completely wrong. Don't worry i wont go all hippy on U. im jus here to say that in philosophy its not probable that there is a God, but its more of a possibility. but to kno that creation has a design and believe there is no creator is...u kno. jus gotta have faith in God

i believe theres a God. i gathered that in order for there to be creation, there must be a creator. Everything around us is designed. From our hearts to our brains, and even the chemicals around have been created somehow. Some ppl may say that we are nothing more than an accident because we were made by the BIG BANG. What makes them think that God didnt use the Big Bang to create us? From the Christian side (the only one that makes sense 2 me. im not putting ne ppl down), they dont doubt the Big Bang theoroy. i've also taken philosophy class. in philosophy u can make jus about everything sound right even tho u are completely wrong. Don't worry i wont go all hippy on U. im jus here to say that in philosophy its not probable that there is a God, but its more of a possibility. but to kno that creation has a design and believe there is no creator is...u kno. jus gotta have faith in God

I dunno...I wouldn't call humanity an "accident", since God is incapable of erring in anything, but...he could've been a little wasted.

i have one god and he is J.R.R. Tolkien ..... man he was great, amazing...he is my idolave Tolkien

I'm glad you said this. I've said that about many people, Tolkien among them. However, if you're Christian, that's technically blasphemy. Granted, I'd think the Man Upstairs would know how you meant it but....eh, the Church doesn't have to make sense. I've revised my "<Person> is God" statement to say that they were gifts from God. Dante, Tolkien, Nobuo Uematsu, and Yoshiyuki Tomino are examples of such people. For those of you who don't know, Yoshiyuki Tomino ("Kill 'Em All" Tomino) is the co-creator of Gundam.

Nah, I believe there is a fake god.... jk.... I believe in God, the same one believed by Judeans and Christians (although Christians go further and put in a son of God). Because when we say "God" it isn't any particular God at all, you're just saying there's a higher being, so most people do believe in a "higher power" per say. I don't go to church though. My thoughts: Okay, if Satan was going to corrupt someone somewhere, where would he go? Would he go to the bars? No, he doesn't really need to because there is already corruption in such places. He'd go someplace to corrupt/convert the "good people" where they felt safe and secure. Where do people such as this feel secure? Church. That's why there are so many feuds and opinions in each and every church. Sure they believe in the same god, but there are so many interpretations. That's what I think. The human genome is so sophisticated, it could not be the result of accidents. I mean look more simply, there's this beetle that spits acid. Okay in order to spit the acid out correctly, it has to mix it after it leaves so the beetle doesn't dissolve. I would think that such a beetle would not have survived an evolutionary change to get to it's place now. It's species would have died out at the first spit, or even before it. Also, if it's all so random, how come it's stopped at humans, and how come humans don't have wings, they've always wanted to fly, and how come their evolutionary ancestors lost their fur... we wear clothes, it would be more logical to already have fur so that clothes wouldn't be necessary. Also, why do we now walk on two legs. Chimpanzees (a supposed relative to humans) walk on fours and twos, they are also faster than humans and stronger too and have opposible thumbs. How come we didn't evolve into creatures like chimpanzees with fur and the four leg- two leg shift? Also, the earth is really old. Some Christians teach that the earth is like 50,000 years old. The reason is a mistranslation of the very first words in the bible. "The earth was void" is a mistranslation. The word translated to be 'was' is actually from a word meaning 'became.' Thusly, there was something here before since the earth 'became' void. That's why the earth is old, that's where the dinosaurs were, there was something here before. What happened to it? No one really knows, it was destroyed, as implied by the 'became'. That's just a bit of what I know. If anyone bothers to read my thought processes, i'm glad to let you see them. Reply for an arguement okay?-moo!

wowi think this is a good thread. there's some much i could say but i'll just state my main point or belief cause i've had this discussion before with my friends a bunch of times. i don't believe in God or any religion. i don't think that neither exist but thats just my opinion.

Where do people such as this feel secure? Church. That's why there are so many feuds and opinions in each and every church. Sure they believe in the same god, but there are so many interpretations. That's what I think. The human genome is so sophisticated, it could not be the result of accidents. I mean look more simply, there's this beetle that spits acid. Okay in order to spit the acid out correctly, it has to mix it after it leaves so the beetle doesn't dissolve. I would think that such a beetle would not have survived an evolutionary change to get to it's place now.

That's the reason I'm nondenominational, and because mistranslations are popping up in the Bible I'm taking Biblical Greek... Not to mention that my teacher is in the process of retranslating it. That beetle thing reminds me of an adaptation the giraffe has... They have brain sponges to slow the flow of blood in their necks when they bend their necks down for whatever reason. For that sort of adaptation to occur, the pre-adaptation giraffe would've had to survive a blood rush on a massive scale, not to mention that for them to slowly bring their necks down, they'd have to have made the mistake once to come to the realization that quickly lowering their necks quickly would litterally burst the blood vessels in their neck and explode their brain.

Well, I believe it. Everyone should have their own say, and not be bugged about others 'bout it :wtf:Isn't there some rule about religious topics being started? Don't mind me, I'm not sure.

Well, although I'm not super- religous and don't go to church or anything, I still believe in God. It's pretty hard to believe that we came out of nowhere. Everything started somewhere, and I think humans existing was helped by some sort of supernatural being.