yh he does exist
God real or not?
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Posted 19 February 2005 - 11:27 PM
In my opinion there is no way to prove the existence of God, nor is there a way to disprove his/her existence.
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 01:10 AM
Ok again the mitochondria and cell membrane and all that stuff came long after the first life on earth. It evolved after the first life that is something you must get, science doesnt explain how life came about by just saying that man was created in his final or the animal cell was created in its final form. Not to be rude but your ignorance is quit astounding, you are jumping the gun by a lot. You are basically asking something similar to asking How God created man without asking about Adam and Eve.
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 02:34 AM
i do 10000000000000% sure i know he exicts in one place n my heart hes always wid me tats wat i think
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 05:56 AM
is that percengtage a ratio of 10000000 : 1i do 10000000000000% sure i know he exicts
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 06:15 AM
great...just greatwho started this topic back upthe ratio of god existing is 1000000000:1which of course is closely true
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 02:56 PM
yes he can God is not a weak old man but he might not pick it up but make something pick it up Did you that during the Russian Revolution the preists where discussing the lengths of the little rope things on thier robesMy point is that the "Church institute" has lot lot the plot, they have forgotten Gods will and Christs love for lost.I went to a cathedral a couple weeks ago by Myself and i felt so alone so uncomfortable.I go to His People Grahamstown which isa part of Every Nation ministries and our mission and passion is for the unsaved and we never do the samething twiceit is exactly how God workscan god make a rock he can't lift?
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 03:00 PM
he exist in my heart and in all hearts in the world
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 03:50 PM
.....doa waI don't get it......where...how can he/she exist in someone's heart....he/she doesn't exist
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 04:51 PM
[quote]you didnt just evolve from some crap floating around in space that evovled.. and the fact that it cant be duplicated again? isnt that a clue? that u arent an evolved species?[\quote]Actually they are doing some fascinating experiments wit RNA that could lead to the proof of Darwins theory of Evolution.________________________________________________________________If we all came from Adam & Eve, aren't we all Inbred Incestors?
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 05:29 PM
I beg to differ.Science states that the very first living beings were plants. More accurately, bacteria that processed energy from the sun (i.e. cyanobacteria).The very basic, absolute minimums that a bacteria needs to survive are as follows:- Cell membrane- Ribosomes (produce proteins necessary for life)- Cytoplasm- DNA (and even the most basic, simple DNA strand is an immensely complex object)- Chloroplasts (to absorb the sun's energy) - this assumes that the bacteria is a plant, which is what science statesMitochondria are only required by animal cells and could certainly have evolved later, true. A cell membrane, though, is an absolute necessity for the bacteria to survive.There is only one life form that is simpler than a bacteria - a virus. A virus is only made up of a protein outer shell and a basic DNA strand that is injected into the host. However, if a virus, as the simplest life form, was the first life form on earth, it would die within hours (at the very most) due to the lack of a host.And all of this assumes that evolution is true, which, in my opinion, is just another theory that has yet to be proved as a law.Ok again the mitochondria and cell membrane and all that stuff came long after the first life on earth. It evolved after the first life that is something you must get, science doesnt explain how life came about by just saying that man was created in his final or the animal cell was created in its final form. Not to be rude but your ignorance is quit astounding, you are jumping the gun by a lot. You are basically asking something similar to asking How God created man without asking about Adam and Eve.
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 05:31 PM
I believe there's an entity up there but I will NOT commit myself to one particular "god"You can thank the idiot biblethumpers for that ><
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 07:57 PM
That's a good point. However, I still think it is possible. Just how complex is a atom? And they are everywhere. However I don't something that something as complex as DNA was create in a second either, it could have take a million years to happen and it didn't necessarily start on earth. Life could have come in some rock that fell on the earth. If you read my vision of the universe there's part where "all possibilities are created." This includes anything you coul think of. Even if that anything is God.Still I don't see fit in my life to attribute anything that goes beyond my understanding to God. It's giving up, accepting there's thing that can't be done by humanity, even if this should never be done. I don't know which one is worse, thinking to high ourselves or bow my head to entinty that's based on another selfish believe. Crap, we sure need some aliens to clarify things here.You say the first living cell is just the result of a random chemical reaction. Think about that. That means that a few random chemicals interacted and transformed into a cell with a membrane, mitochondria, vacuoles, ribosomes, it's own DNA structure, and every other part that is required for a cell to function. Even if the first living thing was a virus (the simplest life form on earth), aside from the fact that it would die within hours due to the lack of a host, there is still the fact that chemicals couldn't randomly combine for a stiff outer shell, a complex DNA stucture (even a viruses DNA structure is very complex), and a nucleus.
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 09:00 PM
You are again jumping the gun mplacki, you are looking at the bacterial cell as it is today not how it would have to be when life began. When life began long ago the earth wasnt as it was now and bacteria were more than likely even more simple than they are now. Also I am fairly sure that bacteria split off in two directions : one becoming plants and the other animals because it would explain why we dont use photosynthesis today as our main E source.I beg to differ.Science states that the very first living beings were plants. More accurately, bacteria that processed energy from the sun (i.e. cyanobacteria).The very basic, absolute minimums that a bacteria needs to survive are as follows:- Cell membrane- Ribosomes (produce proteins necessary for life)- Cytoplasm- DNA (and even the most basic, simple DNA strand is an immensely complex object)- Chloroplasts (to absorb the sun's energy) - this assumes that the bacteria is a plant, which is what science statesMitochondria are only required by animal cells and could certainly have evolved later, true. A cell membrane, though, is an absolute necessity for the bacteria to survive.There is only one life form that is simpler than a bacteria - a virus. A virus is only made up of a protein outer shell and a basic DNA strand that is injected into the host. However, if a virus, as the simplest life form, was the first life form on earth, it would die within hours (at the very most) due to the lack of a host.And all of this assumes that evolution is true, which, in my opinion, is just another theory that has yet to be proved as a law.
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 09:48 PM
mmm... i had many arguments with many people about this...I think god, as an all mighty being simply doesn't exist, it's just an invention of man to explain what he doesn't know.But put yourself in the place of the people who lived in the times when the bible was written, they didn't have satelites to know the earth wasnn't the center of the world, they didn't know why a volcano eructed... But now we are in the year 2005! We can't believe in such 
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Posted 21 February 2005 - 02:00 AM
There is a limit to how simple life can get. As I said, the absolute simplest it can get is a virus, which is nothing more than a protein shell around a DNA stand.Now, forget everything we've discussed so far. Let's pretend that DNA is the only thing necessary for life. So, let's just discuss DNA.DNA structureNow, as you can see, DNA is made up of several different substances. Adenine, guanine, cytosine, and thymine form the basic chains in the strands of DNA. These chains are held together by a backbone of sugar, carbon, and phosphates. (Deoxyribose and phosphodiester, if you want to be scientific about it.)DNA is made up of atoms of nitrogen, oxygen, carbon, and hydrogen, among other things. Fair enough, these are all fairly common elements on our planet.Here's the kicker: DNA is a huge combination of these elements. There are at least (at least) 1 million chains of the four basic chemicals (adenine, guanine, etc.) A small change in a few of these pairs can completely destroy an organism. Out of a few million pairs, if just a few are out of place the whole organism might not come to life at all. You would have me believe that all of these elements randomly came together in just the right order to make an organism. And this is just DNA - there is far, far more required for an organism to survive than DNA.No, it is not solid proof that God exists. There is no solid proof I can offer you if you are not willing to even consider the possibility that God exists. My personal feeling, however, is that this can not have happened on it's own. If it did, why doesn't it happen again? You don't see new species popping randomly out of the ground, yet carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, and all the other elements that make up organisms are some of the most common on earth.I can't convince you. But since you keep demanding proof, I will do the same. Prove to me that there is no God. I challenge you.You are again jumping the gun mplacki, you are looking at the bacterial cell as it is today not how it would have to be when life began. When life began long ago the earth wasnt as it was now and bacteria were more than likely even more simple than they are now. Also I am fairly sure that bacteria split off in two directions : one becoming plants and the other animals because it would explain why we dont use photosynthesis today as our main E source.
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Posted 21 February 2005 - 02:09 AM
they wrote the Bible so we could have faith of believing in a higher powerwe have someone to deliver us from our wrongdoingswe have someone to forgive uswe have something that could comfort us when we're in need of comfortingwho want's to go to a place where they have eternal torture?how can a single book change the lives of so many if it wasn't true?the most famous man of all the world and the history of the world is JesusIf those in the Bible were men of God, then they wouldn't lie and if they wouldn't lie would they lie about all the good that that one man didhas science proven that God does not exist?is there evidence that God doesn't exist?if you could answer my questions about the existence of God then i'll admit that God doesn't exist but if you can't then God exists and you haven't found him
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Posted 21 February 2005 - 02:12 AM
This might interest those of you who are Christians here: the man who is mentioned the most in the Quran (the holy book of the Muslims, if you didn't knowthe most famous man of all the world and the history of the world is Jesus
) is Jesus. 
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Posted 21 February 2005 - 07:26 AM
I dont know why everybody argues about who wrote the bible. Its just so ridiculou its not so much who wrote it. It matters what it says. 'People lost track of this trying to disprove that god exsists. God exsists and he gave people oppurtunities to write the bible and express morality to everyone. Like things like the great flood. Sure scientifically there is no way that could have happened. And really there is an easy explanation. In herbrew there is only one word for earth, land, and country. This could have been missread in the texts. But people forget the message god sends us (read the story so you know what im talking about) it is that if the people of earth become too greedy and too corrupt that god will take care of it through either cleansing or some other way. Its just to show that god will take care of mans wrongs the best way possible.
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Posted 21 February 2005 - 07:34 AM
Amen the thatAmen means yes if you didn't know
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Posted 21 February 2005 - 09:09 AM
RELIGION IS A LIE! I dont really like the thought of religion, i mean what has he done for me. i think its all a plot. im not sure but still, no, i repeat there is no god
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Posted 21 February 2005 - 10:07 AM
religion is a tool used to control the masses.
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Posted 21 February 2005 - 02:51 PM
what an arguement 
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Posted 21 February 2005 - 04:03 PM
That's very nice. Now prove it to me.I challenge any athiest here to give me proof that God does not exist. Come on, all of you. Prove to me that he doesn't exist.RELIGION IS A LIE! I dont really like the thought of religion, i mean what has he done for me. i think its all a plot. im not sure but still, no, i repeat there is no god
