Edited by neontigerx, 16 March 2006 - 03:54 AM.
God real or not?
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 03:50 AM
The website you posted doesnt prove muchAnd Einstein was an atheist, here is some words from him"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being." Another thing scientist are already open-minds, its religion people who need to open thier minds...I did not admit the fear tatic was false, saying if you dont believe in this your will burn in place called hell will scare the hell out of people. Its easy to say that becasue people really dont know what happens to you when you dieAnd Im not seeing any evidence from youAND WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT NOT ALL VIOLENCE COMES TO KILLING YOU FOOL
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 04:09 AM
How am I the fool?No where did I say that violence always comes to killing.And you are also the one who asked "Why doesn't religion restrict violence?"Here's a wake-up call,KILLING IS CONSIDERED VIOLENCE!Only an ignoramous solely bent on proving his own point would not see that.And have you ever considered for one moment that no one or thing can truely restrict violence?It is in human instincts to survive,even if it means fighting.And you haven't shown much evidence either,other than your own words and that quote.I still haven't seen you post anything that proved that God did any of the things you say s/he did.And you call me a fool?
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 04:43 AM
Alright, since you don't wanna prove all your points, and you're not giving up one of the ones I proved as BS, then take a look at this and comprehend ye stony skulled one."From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I amThat's the most important part of that letter. FROM A JESUIT PRIESTS perspective he's an Atheist. Are you claiming to be a Jesuit priest?Not seeing any evidence from ME!? Are you blind or just stupid?http://www.dgemu.com...gopid=1149767There's my post full of things you never came close to countering. Either support your position with something substantive, or shut that c-ock washer you call a mouth.The website you posted doesnt prove muchAnd Einstein was an atheist, here is some words from him"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being." Another thing scientist are already open-minds, its religion people who need to open thier minds...I did not admit the fear tatic was false, saying if you dont believe in this your will burn in place called hell will scare the hell out of people. Its easy to say that becasue people really dont know what happens to you when you dieAnd Im not seeing any evidence from youAND WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT NOT ALL VIOLENCE COMES TO KILLING YOU FOOL
Edited by Mr. Hyde, 16 March 2006 - 04:50 AM.
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 04:44 AM
Ok you've come to the point were I have to say this...your a complete idiot. I've been trying to say that VIOLENCE DOESNT ONLY MEAN KILLING. but again your not there yet...Hmm lets look into one of the bible scripts.Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commandedNow this isnt a god of love here this is a god of war. Its so violent, thats destroying that everything that breathes. I mean that doesnt have to mean men and women and children. This could be animals. Kill everything is the point this, this is like a slaughter frenzy..to be on genicide. To kill everthing that moves lol If its a bug on a ground squash it, if its a puppy cut its throat. This is sick. This is the message. And they wonder why they had crusaders. Dont be like o they were just fanatics, no these were "good christians"How am I the fool?No where did I say that violence always comes to killing.And you are also the one who asked "Why doesn't religion restrict violence?"Here's a wake-up call,KILLING IS CONSIDERED VIOLENCE!Only an ignoramous solely bent on proving his own point would not see that.And have you ever considered for one moment that no one or thing can truely restrict violence?It is in human instincts to survive,even if it means fighting.And you haven't shown much evidence either,other than your own words and that quote.I still haven't seen you post anything that proved that God did any of the things you say s/he did.And you call me a fool?
Edited by neontigerx, 16 March 2006 - 04:46 AM.
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 04:53 AM
When did I say that killing was the only thing that counted as violent?DId you even read my post?Or are you that bent on proving me wrong?
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 04:54 AM
Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commandedNow this isnt a god of love here this is a god of war. Its so violent, thats destroying that everything that breathes. I mean that doesnt have to mean men and women and children. This could be animals. Kill everything is the point this, this is like a slaughter frenzy..to be on genicide. To kill everthing that moves lol If its a bug on a ground squash it, if its a puppy cut its throat. This is sick. This is the message. And they wonder why they had crusaders. Dont be like o they were just fanatics, no these were "good christians"
ROFLMFAO!
Here's a newsflash sh!t-for-brains: JOSHUA IS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND PREDATES CHRISTIANITY!
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 05:10 AM
No there is evidence of anything your trying to prove. You cant prove a single thing in religion that true, so whats the point of running that hole in your face. Im not blind becasue I see whats going on with religion and Im not stupid or atleast not stupid enough to believe in invisable men that care about what you do.Alright, since you don't wanna prove all your points, and you're not giving up one of the ones I proved as BS, then take a look at this and comprehend ye stony skulled one."From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I amThat's the most important part of that letter. FROM A JESUIT PRIESTS perspective he's an Atheist. Are you claiming to be a Jesuit priest?Not seeing any evidence from ME!? Are you blind or just stupid?http://www.dgemu.com...gopid=1149767There's my post full of things you never came close to countering. Either support your position with something substantive, or i'll shut my c-ock washer I call a mouth.The website you posted doesnt prove muchAnd Einstein was an atheist, here is some words from him"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being." Another thing scientist are already open-minds, its religion people who need to open thier minds...I did not admit the fear tatic was false, saying if you dont believe in this your will burn in place called hell will scare the hell out of people. Its easy to say that becasue people really dont know what happens to you when you dieAnd Im not seeing any evidence from youAND WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT NOT ALL VIOLENCE COMES TO KILLING YOU FOOL
Actually you were being the smartass by saying that I dont think killing is violence...When did I say that killing was the only thing that counted as violent?DId you even read my post?Or are you that bent on proving me wrong?
Do you actually think I care if its old or new -_- I always thought gods words are unchanging and are forever but I guess I was wrong about that. If the nobody really cares about the old testament why do people make a big deal about homosexual?PS. who uses "ROFLMFAO" anymore?Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commandedNow this isnt a god of love here this is a god of war. Its so violent, thats destroying that everything that breathes. I mean that doesnt have to mean men and women and children. This could be animals. Kill everything is the point this, this is like a slaughter frenzy..to be on genicide. To kill everthing that moves lol If its a bug on a ground squash it, if its a puppy cut its throat. This is sick. This is the message. And they wonder why they had crusaders. Dont be like o they were just fanatics, no these were "good christians"
ROFLMFAO!
Here's a newsflash sh!t-for-brains: JOSHUA IS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND PREDATES CHRISTIANITY!
and why did you post a size 7 text? Its pretty obvious you want attention. Maybe you feel insignifiCunt lol
Edited by neontigerx, 16 March 2006 - 05:25 AM.
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 05:22 AM
I surprised some one hasn't picked up on this - christians don't believe in reincarnation in my understanding.i think god isn't real.. if its real...then..." what is your purpose in life , since you know that you will recarinate endlessly , you would't have a purpose other then living your life being obessed with god
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 05:58 AM
This is getting tiresome and circular. You've still not supported your claim. WHere's your proof that religion is bogus? WHere? I see none. All I see are your unsupported rantings.No there is evidence of anything your trying to prove. You cant prove a single thing in religion that true, so whats the point of running that hole in your face. Im not blind becasue I see whats going on with religion and Im not stupid or atleast not stupid enough to believe in invisable men that care about what you do.
You should care if it's old or new. It has nothing to do with God's words changing. Its a simple FACT that CHristianity didn't exist until Jesus came. He was written about until the New Testament. So recognising the difference is something you SHOULD care about if you want to be taken seriously. As for the Homosexuality thing, people make a big deal out of it because the vast majority of people have very little understanding of the Bible. They tend to think Levitical law applies when it doesn't. It can't by Biblical standards due to Christ. He created a New Covenant, which meant new laws. ANd there was nothing in those laws against Homosexuality.Do you actually think I care if its old or new -_- I always thought gods words are unchanging and are forever but I guess I was wrong about that. If the nobody really cares about the old testament why do people make a big deal about homosexual?
I dunno, who ignores rational thought and logic and instead flames and uses rants and unsupported arguments? It's pretty obvious you're a troll and want some attention. Maybe because you don't get enough at home, or your parents are smacking you around right now. Either way I could care less.PS. who uses "ROFLMFAO" anymore?
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I think I mention this before that even though most christain beleive in some geral form there are differences between most of them, I know for a fact their are some that have the belief that all good christains will be born again as angels, live in heaven as souls or live on a paradise earth after armagadon (spelled wrong). But as for recaniation I beleive that it follow the belief that a person soul would be reborn in havean or as a creature on earth to protect their loved ones or something of that nature I'm not really sure..I surprised some one hasn't picked up on this - christians don't believe in reincarnation in my understanding.i think god isn't real.. if its real...then..." what is your purpose in life , since you know that you will recarinate endlessly , you would't have a purpose other then living your life being obessed with god
"A boy has the right to dream. There are endless possibilities stretched out before him. What awaits him down the path, he will then have to choose. The boy doesn't always know. At some point, the boy then becomes an adult, and learns what he was able to become. Joy and sadness forever will accompany this. He is confronted with a choice. When this happens, does he bid his past farewell in his heart? Once a boy becomes an adult, he can no longer go back to being a boy. The boy is now a man. Only one thing can be said. A boy has the right to dream. For those endless possibilities are stretched out before him. We must remember. All men were once boys."
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 07:25 PM
WOAH! Timeout if you're claiming to know the Bible. If you're not, then fine. You can think, say, and do what you will, but I clearly need to mention something about the Old and New Testaments. You're right, Levitical laws are not to be enforced in Christianity. That does not mean they are irrelevant. Their purpose has changed, in that when God originally set them up, they were targets or standards for holy living and people were supposed to follow them to the letter and make sacrifices for their shortcomings. He wanted to show humanity that absolute perfection cannot be reached. Jesus said that He did NOT come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, but that not one "jot or tittle" (even one little mark) would disappear from the Law until all is fulfilled. So if the Levitical and Deuteronomical laws are not to be enforced, how are they relevant? Paul wrote that the law shows man that He is not perfect. Jesus actually said that even if you could fulfill the law, perfection is even higher than that (to the rich young ruler who said he'd fulfilled everything, Jesus said to sell everything. In other words, the law can't make you perfect). NOT ONLY should people not kill, they shouldn't even get angry and think bad thoughts. NOT ONLY should people not commit adultery, they shouldn't even think lustful thoughts. I realize that issues like homosexuality are controversial, but no more controversial than sleeping with somebody who isn't your wife or stealing or killing. No imperfection is worse than anything else; neither is anything MORE acceptable. It doesn't solve an imperfection to say that it isn't really imperfect. Remember, perfection is how everybody could live and nothing be detrimentally affected. But if everybody were homosexual, the world would not reproduce and humanity would die out. If everybody commited adultery, sexually transmitted diseases would kill everybody. If everybody gave in to greed, only the strongest would survive. It really is for our own good that God would say we shouldn't do certain things.1st Corinthians 6:9-11 shows that if our identity is found in sin (including "homosexual offenders"), we won't enter the Kingdom of God, but if we find our identity in Christ, He washes us, sanctifies us, and justifies us of those things that held us back.According to the law, homosexuality is wrong. Jesus didn't change that. But He said that all sins, whether sexual or just being in debt, can be forgiven. Christians can be homosexuals, because salvation doesn't depend on what we do, so it would be biblically inaccurate legalism to say that homosexuals have to become straight before they can go to heaven. But it's just as biblically inaccurate to say that God doesn't care what we do any more. God has always been love, so He has shown us what is not perfect and will help us become perfect. Just because my problem isn't homosexuality, I'm not ok. My problems have been pornography, pride, jealousy, dishonesty, and many other things. I'm forgiven because of God's grace covering my sin; not because God says those things are fine now and I can live in them. God says that all sin is still sin, but turn to Him and He will make you perfect over time. That's sanctification. Otherwise all would go to heaven without repentance and without believing in Christ. It would become worse to tell people the Gospel if their ignorance could save them. Believe me, Christians are supposed to change, but that change isn't what determines if you can or cannot be saved. In the name of tolerance, Christians compromising the Bible really harms their witness for Christ.You should care if it's old or new. It has nothing to do with God's words changing. Its a simple FACT that CHristianity didn't exist until Jesus came. He was written about until the New Testament. So recognising the difference is something you SHOULD care about if you want to be taken seriously. As for the Homosexuality thing, people make a big deal out of it because the vast majority of people have very little understanding of the Bible. They tend to think Levitical law applies when it doesn't. It can't by Biblical standards due to Christ. He created a New Covenant, which meant new laws. ANd there was nothing in those laws against Homosexuality.
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:09 PM
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I dont need to support my claims, becasue things in the bible is not not fact. Your making it seem like the bible is true when its not a fact or has evidence. If it was true then it would be taught in schools. Religion is so weak and unsupported it never made it as a theory in science books lol and do you wonder why, because people find it unsupported. Ever wonder why the evolution theory is the science books but not the creationist theory aka "talking snake theory" The evolution theory has things that can support it like fossils and carbon dating while on the hand religion has 0This is getting tiresome and circular. You've still not supported your claim. WHere's your proof that religion is bogus? WHere? I see none. All I see are your unsupported rantings.
Was that suppose to be an insult? :(And that crap you said about me ignoring rational thought and logic is vice versa. Its me who is trying to get you guys to think rationally and logic. Dont say I ignoring that, its christians and other religions that under that category.I dunno, who ignores rational thought and logic and instead flames and uses rants and unsupported arguments? It's pretty obvious you're a troll and want some attention. Maybe because you don't get enough at home, or your parents are smacking you around right now. Either way I could care less.
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 12:28 AM
Basically, an atheist believes in an uncaused cause, but it's a physical one, namely, whatever was involved in the Big Bang or some other such theory, even a never-ending loop in universal existence (the universe being the uncaused cause of all). And theists believe in an uncaused cause with a spiritual nature.Neither one is illogical, but one requires faith and the other doesn't. One admits responsibility and accountability and the other allows "freedom."No logic can avoid an uncaused cause of some kind. Theists call the uncaused cause 'God' and atheists call it coincidence.God is self-explanatory, whereas coincidence needs a lot of explanation that humans aren't at all capable of doing. But atheism is more stubborn than theism, because atheists are determined to prove somehow that nothing created them and they are not answerable to anything. A theist has already humbled himself or herself to an extent.And as for believing in Christ, wow, that takes deep humility, to admit that you were imperfect and couldn't make yourself perfect, so God loved the world enough to become a perfect man and die for everybody. It's a source of peace in life, too.If humans do not independently produce life, it shows that not only is coincidence an unlikely explanation, but that we "intelligent" beings can't even manufacture and repeat the same kind of "coincidence" that caused life in the first place. If humans do independently create life, it shows that there has to be intelligence to create life, which intelligence is God in some form or another.But if you have faith that one day, technology will keep us alive, you go for it and believe that. I don't think you're stupid or completely illogical, I just think that your logic hasn't helped you at all. I also acknowledge you have no hope whatsoever of finding meaning and purpose in life.
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 01:12 AM
Thats the sad thing about religion...it teaches people to have low self-esteem: you can't do anything without god and anything you accomplish, you didn't actually accomplish, god did it.Basically, an atheist believes in an uncaused cause, but it's a physical one, namely, whatever was involved in the Big Bang or some other such theory, even a never-ending loop in universal existence (the universe being the uncaused cause of all). And theists believe in an uncaused cause with a spiritual nature.Neither one is illogical, but one requires faith and the other doesn't. One admits responsibility and accountability and the other allows "freedom."No logic can avoid an uncaused cause of some kind. Theists call the uncaused cause 'God' and atheists call it coincidence.God is self-explanatory, whereas coincidence needs a lot of explanation that humans aren't at all capable of doing. But atheism is more stubborn than theism, because atheists are determined to prove somehow that nothing created them and they are not answerable to anything. A theist has already humbled himself or herself to an extent.And as for believing in Christ, wow, that takes deep humility, to admit that you were imperfect and couldn't make yourself perfect, so God loved the world enough to become a perfect man and die for everybody. It's a source of peace in life, too.If humans do not independently produce life, it shows that not only is coincidence an unlikely explanation, but that we "intelligent" beings can't even manufacture and repeat the same kind of "coincidence" that caused life in the first place. If humans do independently create life, it shows that there has to be intelligence to create life, which intelligence is God in some form or another.But if you have faith that one day, technology will keep us alive, you go for it and believe that. I don't think you're stupid or completely illogical, I just think that your logic hasn't helped you at all. I also acknowledge you have no hope whatsoever of finding meaning and purpose in life.
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 02:37 AM
Speaking for myself, I am not a "religious" person. I don't follow a certain system of rituals or practices. I simply know and love God through Jesus Christ. That is faith, not religion. So instead of just drawing conclusions about what "religion" does to people, even though you aren't necessary talking to people controlled by religion, why don't you answer the arguments?I beg you, prove using logic that there does NOT have to be an uncaused cause. If you admit that there is one, tell me what it is and defend it.But as for your response, are you saying that meaning and purpose CAN be found in technology? But you didn't create technology. Or in your physical life? But you are going to die. Jesus Christ doesn't strip us of any rights or take away our value. He gives humans value, humans who would otherwise place value in temporary things (whether their bodies or what their bodies can do) instead of spiritual things. I have a huge amount of self-confidence and self-esteem. I'm not prideful and ignorant of the fact that I am not God and cannot do everything, but I definitely value myself. If I didn't, I wouldn't value you and talk to you either.My point is, please tell me what kind of physical uncaused cause could create the whole universe by coincidence, when we intelligent humans can't even create life intentionally. The things science can already do are amazing, and I don't doubt that we will one day do even more amazing things than we can do today. But we can't do it already, so we must be less than perfect and we must be less than whatever created us. Or if the universe itself IS the uncaused cause, how can an unintelligent universe create intelligent life within itself? Where does perception and thought come from?You ask these questions, too, but you don't look beyond yourself and humanity for the answers. I want you to prove me wrong, because I am offering proof by means of logical discourses that you won't address directly. Do you think I am not thinking freely? Churches don't teach people how to explain God by critical thinking, because if they did, Christians would be better known even for their philosophical contribution to the world. I'm thinking very freely, and I ask you to challenge me with reason, but your thoughts are bound by your desire for there to be no God. Would you acknowledge that there MAY be a God, that you may not already have the answers?The truth set me free when before I was bound to my own desires. Are you ABLE to relinquish your desires? I'm not telling you that you MUST; I just doubt whether you could submit to God if you tried. That isn't reverse psychology, by the way, because I wouldn't want you to submit in response to a challenge by me. But allow God to challenge whether or not you are perfectly self-sustaining.
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 03:00 AM
You couldn't be anymore wrong. Yes God is with me but it's things that you can do with them. Through him I feel I have gained a better understanding of things. Unfortunatly you have work and faith mixed up. You feel that worshiping god is a chore. It's funny but you are the insecure one. I know my limits that god has set for me and it would be stupid to do anymore. Im not the kind of person that feels god does everything in fact in the bible it says he can't effect human will. There is alot more to life than testing the limits of God. Unlike most Christians I choose to believe thinks such as evolution. But I also believe we were made from dirt. In the bible it does say that the creatures of the earth came out from sea. It also has been provem that the elements for our chemical composition can be found in the ground.Thats the sad thing about religion...it teaches people to have low self-esteem: you can't do anything without god and anything you accomplish, you didn't actually accomplish, god did it.
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 04:17 AM
In other words you want me to vomit out the word god for these "uncaused cause" which Im not. Basically you asking me where life comes from. Even though no one truly knows but only relying on beliefs your asking me? I never said the meaning and purpose of life can be found in technology. The answer is nobody knows. If you dont know something or how it came to be dont make something up and say oh it sounds good. A god is a perfect example. To me there is no real reason to believe in a god or to believe a god created us just so he can enjoy playing SimsP.SAnd if your thinking if everything has a cause then whats gods cause most brainless people would say he always existed. If ya'll can say that why can others say the universe always existedSpeaking for myself, I am not a "religious" person. I don't follow a certain system of rituals or practices. I simply know and love God through Jesus Christ. That is faith, not religion. So instead of just drawing conclusions about what "religion" does to people, even though you aren't necessary talking to people controlled by religion, why don't you answer the arguments?I beg you, prove using logic that there does NOT have to be an uncaused cause. If you admit that there is one, tell me what it is and defend it.But as for your response, are you saying that meaning and purpose CAN be found in technology? But you didn't create technology. Or in your physical life? But you are going to die. Jesus Christ doesn't strip us of any rights or take away our value. He gives humans value, humans who would otherwise place value in temporary things (whether their bodies or what their bodies can do) instead of spiritual things. I have a huge amount of self-confidence and self-esteem. I'm not prideful and ignorant of the fact that I am not God and cannot do everything, but I definitely value myself. If I didn't, I wouldn't value you and talk to you either.My point is, please tell me what kind of physical uncaused cause could create the whole universe by coincidence, when we intelligent humans can't even create life intentionally. The things science can already do are amazing, and I don't doubt that we will one day do even more amazing things than we can do today. But we can't do it already, so we must be less than perfect and we must be less than whatever created us. Or if the universe itself IS the uncaused cause, how can an unintelligent universe create intelligent life within itself? Where does perception and thought come from?You ask these questions, too, but you don't look beyond yourself and humanity for the answers. I want you to prove me wrong, because I am offering proof by means of logical discourses that you won't address directly. Do you think I am not thinking freely? Churches don't teach people how to explain God by critical thinking, because if they did, Christians would be better known even for their philosophical contribution to the world. I'm thinking very freely, and I ask you to challenge me with reason, but your thoughts are bound by your desire for there to be no God. Would you acknowledge that there MAY be a God, that you may not already have the answers?The truth set me free when before I was bound to my own desires. Are you ABLE to relinquish your desires? I'm not telling you that you MUST; I just doubt whether you could submit to God if you tried. That isn't reverse psychology, by the way, because I wouldn't want you to submit in response to a challenge by me. But allow God to challenge whether or not you are perfectly self-sustaining.
No, I dont believe worshipping god is a chore, I believe it worshipping an invisable quiet insane and I havent found a good reason to believe. Also you say Im insecure, what do you mean by that?Really? Even though human atoms and ground/soil/dirt are completely different? I can believe someone would actually compare humans to dirt...thats lowYou couldn't be anymore wrong. Yes God is with me but it's things that you can do with them. Through him I feel I have gained a better understanding of things. Unfortunatly you have work and faith mixed up. You feel that worshiping god is a chore. It's funny but you are the insecure one. I know my limits that god has set for me and it would be stupid to do anymore. Im not the kind of person that feels god does everything in fact in the bible it says he can't effect human will. There is alot more to life than testing the limits of God. Unlike most Christians I choose to believe thinks such as evolution. But I also believe we were made from dirt. In the bible it does say that the creatures of the earth came out from sea. It also has been provem that the elements for our chemical composition can be found in the ground.Thats the sad thing about religion...it teaches people to have low self-esteem: you can't do anything without god and anything you accomplish, you didn't actually accomplish, god did it.
Edited by neontigerx, 17 March 2006 - 04:41 AM.
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 05:49 AM
Umm... humans are dirt. Have you ever noticed how green the grass is at a cemetary? Humans are fertile dirt. Hence, we have the circle of life. Your body was once a tree, which was once a fish, which may have been a part of Julius Ceasar. Every living thing is, in essence, a very complicated pile of dirt mixed with water.About the uncaused cause, such a thing would is beyond human comprehension. Saying God did it is just as valid as saying that the universe has no beginning, or that some random occurence caused it to suddenly appear. Also, a man who is secure enough in his own existence to not believe in God deserves just as much respect as a man who can admit that he has shortcomings and humbles himself. Which is more important to you: Confidence or Humility?Really? Even though human atoms and ground/soil/dirt are completely different? I can believe someone would actually compare humans to dirt...thats low
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 06:13 AM
When humans die they become worm food, or fungus food and decay like all organisms. They dont turn into turn into dirt from there, they may enrich the dirt but never turn onto dirt...Decomposition 101 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DecaySaying god did it, is when you make claim and you would have to back yourself upConfidence and humility I choose both XDI really need to get to bed nowUmm... humans are dirt. Have you ever noticed how green the grass is at a cemetary? Humans are fertile dirt. Hence, we have the circle of life. Your body was once a tree, which was once a fish, which may have been a part of Julius Ceasar. Every living thing is, in essence, a very complicated pile of dirt mixed with water.About the uncaused cause, such a thing would is beyond human comprehension. Saying God did it is just as valid as saying that the universe has no beginning, or that some random occurence caused it to suddenly appear. Also, a man who is secure enough in his own existence to not believe in God deserves just as much respect as a man who can admit that he has shortcomings and humbles himself. Which is more important to you: Confidence or Humility?Really? Even though human atoms and ground/soil/dirt are completely different? I can believe someone would actually compare humans to dirt...thats low
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 05:08 PM
hmmm I read the article you have posted and the only place where it say that the body becomes where I read that a body can decompose the way you describe is certain conditions are met, for example if the body is left out side it will have fungus grow over, another one if the body is left in the ground (without a coffin) worms will eat it. these facts are true but you still for get to mention that when these element interact with the body the body is still being broken down (to illustrate when you eat an apple your body breaks it down to waste matter after getting what it recieve and the waste lives your body... and if you every had to do an experiment dealing with waste matter you'll know it turns to dirt in matter of time trust me I had to do it for class with dog waste matter.... needless to say it was disgusting) to a simplier product so that once the earth or the surounding area done drying it up it, the body or the waste product be comes dust or a like matter...dead body--> worm digest--> worms make waste---> waste drys up---> left over items become part of the dirt or dust.... or if this not convincing experiment with dog waste. Step one find a dog step two wait till it make waste step three place waste on grass, step four check waste every other day and make notes on any physical changes. If no change occur in the next week and stays their forever you'll just realized you touch dog waste for nothing but if it seems to dired up to a point were it become dust like material then a point has been proven well enjoy.... and keep up the good work...Edit....When humans die they become worm food, or fungus food and decay like all organisms. They dont turn into turn into dirt from there, they may enrich the dirt but never turn onto dirt...Decomposition 101 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DecaySaying god did it, is when you make claim and you would have to back yourself upConfidence and humility I choose both XDI really need to get to bed now
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 05:51 PM
ummm A fast note if you ever have a chance to read the bible what ever version you may be able to obtain please take the time to read the part were Moses ask God to show his face.... but in case you never read it or don't trust the bible I beleive it said something like this - Moses ask god to see his face but god replied and said that if anyone were to see his face he/she will die in his presence because no man who have seen god lived... So all ya'll people please stop asking to see god Plus if anyone can help me find the scripture I really apreciated I wouldn't want Neotigerx or anyone else try to argue this point but as for all other religions they will have to speack up for themsleves because I have no answer for them for this question because I can't really speak on their behalf
Plus if anyone can help me find the scripture I really apreciated I wouldn't want Neotigerx or anyone else try to argue this point but as for all other religions they will have to speack up for themsleves because I have no answer for them for this question because I can't really speak on their behalf
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 05:58 PM
God is just a myth, so is the devil/lucifer/satan whatever the poo you wanna call him. The bible is all made up jibberish that was written by some guy or guys that ate a bunch of shrooms. Seriously, think about it, snakes that talked? Bushes that randomly caught fire? People walking ontop of water? 2 loafs of bread and 3 fish that fed an entire civilization for however long it lasted? I say it's all made up poo. The whole hanging a guy from the cross, that I believe though because back in those days, that was concidered the best way of torture.. but i don't think the guy lived for 7 days on that cross. He died maybe a few minutes after being hung up there. It's already been proven that a human body can NOT survive hanging under it's own power from the palms. The body would of gave up and he would of suffocated within minutes of being put on the thing. Not days. The body weight of the guy would of pulled him down, crushing his windpipe, cutting off his air supply so he could not breath. Even if his feet were staked, that would of still happened. Not to mention, the 'bible' has it written that 'jesus' was impaled in his lungs, so there is another factor to place into it. Internal bleeding, punctured lungs, mass blood loss from the thorns on his head and stakes in his hands and feet AND he was being suffocated by his own body weight. Now, I may not be a genius, but I do know alot about death and how much an average human body can withstand before giving out and dieing. No human can withstand that much blood loss, with no air, internal bleeding, no food or water and live for more then a day TOPS. Onto the part about snakes talking and bushes catching fire in the middle of an empty field, then the firey bush acually SPEAKS 0.0 Some guy walked behind a cow, seen a mushroom growing under a pile of dung and though "Hey, I'm hungry, this mushroom looks edible" picks it, wipes it off (or doesn't wipe it off) and eats it. Massive shroom trip right there. Shrooms have been known to cause such thoings like that. After he ate the shroom, he walked a bit more, the effects kicked in fully and he looked at a bush, it burt into flames. His shroom trip had begun. After it burst into flames, he got scared (trippy) but then the flaming bush began to talk to him. What a great story t tell the others right? "OMFG GUYS!! DUDE! You will NEVER BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED TO MEH!! I Ate this mushroom I found under cow poo and then this bush caught fire and started talking to me man! it was so radical!! OMFG!! I need more of those mushrooms!!!" Plain and simple, the person/people who wrote the bible, just wrote down some arabian guy's massive shroom trip.
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 06:19 PM
Well the bible is a summary of very old myths of humanity. The myths are share with many civilizations so you canīt take the book literally.IMO god doesnīt exist. Is only a form to have humans to feel relief of the real lifeGod is just a myth, so is the devil/lucifer/satan whatever the poo you wanna call him. The bible is all made up jibberish that was written by some guy or guys that ate a bunch of shrooms. Seriously, think about it, snakes that talked? Bushes that randomly caught fire? People walking ontop of water? 2 loafs of bread and 3 fish that fed an entire civilization for however long it lasted? I say it's all made up poo. The whole hanging a guy from the cross, that I believe though because back in those days, that was concidered the best way of torture.. but i don't think the guy lived for 7 days on that cross. He died maybe a few minutes after being hung up there. It's already been proven that a human body can NOT survive hanging under it's own power from the palms. The body would of gave up and he would of suffocated within minutes of being put on the thing. Not days. The body weight of the guy would of pulled him down, crushing his windpipe, cutting off his air supply so he could not breath. Even if his feet were staked, that would of still happened. Not to mention, the 'bible' has it written that 'jesus' was impaled in his lungs, so there is another factor to place into it. Internal bleeding, punctured lungs, mass blood loss from the thorns on his head and stakes in his hands and feet AND he was being suffocated by his own body weight. Now, I may not be a genius, but I do know alot about death and how much an average human body can withstand before giving out and dieing. No human can withstand that much blood loss, with no air, internal bleeding, no food or water and live for more then a day TOPS. Onto the part about snakes talking and bushes catching fire in the middle of an empty field, then the firey bush acually SPEAKS 0.0 Some guy walked behind a cow, seen a mushroom growing under a pile of dung and though "Hey, I'm hungry, this mushroom looks edible" picks it, wipes it off (or doesn't wipe it off) and eats it. Massive shroom trip right there. Shrooms have been known to cause such thoings like that. After he ate the shroom, he walked a bit more, the effects kicked in fully and he looked at a bush, it burt into flames. His shroom trip had begun. After it burst into flames, he got scared (trippy) but then the flaming bush began to talk to him. What a great story t tell the others right? "OMFG GUYS!! DUDE! You will NEVER BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED TO MEH!! I Ate this mushroom I found under cow poo and then this bush caught fire and started talking to me man! it was so radical!! OMFG!! I need more of those mushrooms!!!" Plain and simple, the person/people who wrote the bible, just wrote down some arabian guy's massive shroom trip.
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[quote]God is just a myth, so is the devil/lucifer/satan whatever the poo you wanna call him. The bible is all made up jibberish that was written by some guy or guys that ate a bunch of shrooms. Seriously, think about it, snakes that talked? Bushes that randomly caught fire? People walking ontop of water? 2 loafs of bread and 3 fish that fed an entire civilization for however long it lasted? I say it's all made up poo.[/quote]All these were mircales done by the most part by different people. One it your opinon but bible wasn't written by one person, it has proven many times before, and these people told in these storys have had some actual proof they were all real and different people (like all the king of Isreal and Moses)[quote]The whole hanging a guy from the cross, that I believe though because back in those days, that was concidered the best way of torture.. but i don't think the guy lived for 7 days on that cross. He died maybe a few minutes after being hung up there. It's already been proven that a human body can NOT survive hanging under it's own power from the palms. The body would of gave up and he would of suffocated within minutes of being put on the thing. Not days. The body weight of the guy would of pulled him down, crushing his windpipe, cutting off his air supply so he could not breath. Even if his feet were staked, that would of still happened. Not to mention, the 'bible' has it written that 'jesus' was impaled in his lungs, so there is another factor to place into it. Internal bleeding, punctured lungs, mass blood loss from the thorns on his head and stakes in his hands and feet AND he was being suffocated by his own body weight. [/quote]Ok Jesus wasn't on the cross/stake for seven days get your second he wasn't hung like a person with a rope on his neck but a nail driven into his hands and feet dude get your facts strightfacts stright fact is he died in a matter of hours (and is possible for a person to surive that long I mean check the Holocaust) Second their Jesus was stab in the lung after he died third he suffer no internal injuries because we was whip by the romans and maybe beaten a bit, second a person can't lose to much blood if the wound is still coverd up this fact implys to Jesus Remember his wound he suffer on the stake was still covered by the nails implace in him so small amount of blood will be lost. Fourth ther has been documented studies that show a man can survive this kid of threatment. And thorn crown must be the dumest thing I have ever heard, I mean really the thorn can just cause small cuts on the head nothing really serious[quote]Now, I may not be a genius, but I do know alot about death and how much an average human body can withstand before giving out and dieing. No human can withstand that much blood loss, with no air, internal bleeding, no food or water and live for more then a day TOPS. [/quote ] your right you're not a genius at all as a matter of fact next thime you post such idiotic post have some kind of reaseach to back it up instead of show your ingnorance because obvious to me you have no medical history or idea of what a human body can take and can't take and also no bible knowledge at all to post your irradict ideas....[quote]Onto the part about snakes talking and bushes catching fire in the middle of an empty field, then the firey bush acually SPEAKS 0.0 [/quote] If god created the earth i think he can make a bush burning talk.... and the snake well that was santa and the bible dose mention that angles have the power to make animals speak (if you ever read the bible their are more then one account that show this)[quote]Some guy walked behind a cow, seen a mushroom growing under a pile of dung and though "Hey, I'm hungry, this mushroom looks edible" picks it, wipes it off (or doesn't wipe it off) and eats it. Massive shroom trip right there. Shrooms have been known to cause such thoings like that. After he ate the shroom, he walked a bit more, the effects kicked in fully and he looked at a bush, it burt into flames. His shroom trip had begun. After it burst into flames, he got scared (trippy) but then the flaming bush began to talk to him. What a great story t tell the others right? "OMFG GUYS!! DUDE! You will NEVER BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED TO MEH!! I Ate this mushroom I found under cow poo and then this bush caught fire and started talking to me man! it was so radical!! OMFG!! I need more of those mushrooms!!!" Plain and simple, the person/people who wrote the bible, just wrote down some arabian guy's massive shroom trip.[/quote] Thought your opinon it still doesn't explain the fact the bible contain the whole history of the Jewish people with very acurate details not some cockcomania ideas of what happen. So on that note read get your facts the seem smart.... and personally that the difference between you and NeotigerX at lease the guy/girl have concrete valid point where as you just pure idiodic ideas....
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 06:39 PM
A lot of people claim that there is no God because you can't see Him. I say they should take a look at this verse:(John 20:25b-29, NIV) But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." 26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." 28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
