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Posted 17 March 2006 - 06:55 PM

God is just a myth, so is the devil/lucifer/satan whatever the poo you wanna call him. The bible is all made up jibberish that was written by some guy or guys that ate a bunch of shrooms. Seriously, think about it, snakes that talked? Bushes that randomly caught fire? People walking ontop of water? 2 loafs of bread and 3 fish that fed an entire civilization for however long it lasted? I say it's all made up poo.

So you don't believe in anything that you can't understand. That's rationalism, but it is irrational, because if I'm behind a wall and I 'choose' to believe that there is nothing behind it because I can't see it and I'm wearing ear plugs so I can't hear, it just might be that there is a bulldozer waiting to push the wall on top of me. You don't know everything and you can't understand everything you do know. But if you wanted the truth, you would suddenly see a lot more things as evidence. Because you don't want to believe it, you don't. You think it's poo, because if it were true, it would mean that YOU are not the ultimate person who understands everything he wants to. But you don't want to, so it won't be true to you until you do want to.

The whole hanging a guy from the cross, that I believe though because back in those days, that was concidered the best way of torture.. but i don't think the guy lived for 7 days on that cross. He died maybe a few minutes after being hung up there. It's already been proven that a human body can NOT survive hanging under it's own power from the palms. The body would of gave up and he would of suffocated within minutes of being put on the thing. Not days. The body weight of the guy would of pulled him down, crushing his windpipe, cutting off his air supply so he could not breath. Even if his feet were staked, that would of still happened. Not to mention, the 'bible' has it written that 'jesus' was impaled in his lungs, so there is another factor to place into it. Internal bleeding, punctured lungs, mass blood loss from the thorns on his head and stakes in his hands and feet AND he was being suffocated by his own body weight.

Yeah, erm... Christians believe Jesus was on the cross for a few minutes and He voluntarily "gave up the ghost." Nobody claims according to the Bible that he was there for seven days. Some have survived for that kind of time, though, because the Romans actually drove the nails through a main nerve in the wrists BETWEEN the two main arteries/veins (not much blood loss). They considered that part of the wrist the hand. And they drove nails through a similar nerve in His feet. Breathing in was as easy as relaxing, and the victims could push up on their feet (though it was painful) in order to breathe out, so they didn't have to suffocate. Before the Sabbath, the soldiers would usually break the victims' legs to make sure they couldn't push up and did suffocate. But Jesus was already dead, which they tested by piercing His side and seeing blood cells and plasma flow out SEPARATELY. So 'not a bone of His was broken'

Now, I may not be a genius, but I do know alot about death and how much an average human body can withstand before giving out and dieing. No human can withstand that much blood loss, with no air, internal bleeding, no food or water and live for more then a day TOPS.

See above, you may know a lot about death, but you haven't heard a good analytical comparison of the biblical account and the historical methods of prolonging the death to the science we know today.

Onto the part about snakes talking and bushes catching fire in the middle of an empty field, then the firey bush acually SPEAKS 0.0 Some guy walked behind a cow, seen a mushroom growing under a pile of dung and though "Hey, I'm hungry, this mushroom looks edible" picks it, wipes it off (or doesn't wipe it off) and eats it. Massive shroom trip right there. Shrooms have been known to cause such thoings like that. After he ate the shroom, he walked a bit more, the effects kicked in fully and he looked at a bush, it burt into flames. His shroom trip had begun. After it burst into flames, he got scared (trippy) but then the flaming bush began to talk to him. What a great story t tell the others right? "OMFG GUYS!! DUDE! You will NEVER BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED TO MEH!! I Ate this mushroom I found under cow poo and then this bush caught fire and started talking to me man! it was so radical!! OMFG!! I need more of those mushrooms!!!" Plain and simple, the person/people who wrote the bible, just wrote down some arabian guy's massive shroom trip.

That's just an imaginative way of saying that if somebody experienced something you didn't, they must have been high. I guess that's obvious, but I want to point out that insults don't carry weight in a discussion forum. I can say that you don't believe it because you're on drugs and then we're even, but no progress has been made. You can do as you will, but sticking to the debate is my recommendation.
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 08:03 PM

I don't really see why it has to be a choice between science and God. The question should be between evolution and God. Many of the great scientists in our time were Christians including Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal, and many others. On the other hand, Charles Darwin is revered as a man of science, yet the only degree he ever got was in theology (which he obviously forsook). So we do have many scientists and scholars in history who believed in God and so no conflict. I think it comes down to if you believe in an all powerful God who created everything, you can't turn around and limit him to the natural laws of this world or universe. That just doesn't make sense.
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 08:25 PM

God is not real. God is the comfort that people have developed for the unknown. God has been made by religion and religion has been made of fear. If God really dose exists he would not have allowed all the bad that has happened in the past years. God only exists to those that fear nothing and those that fear everything.
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 08:32 PM

@Shalashaska315: dude I think you post in the wrong topic the one you could be looking for is called 'ideas" this topic is the belief of a god or not. but you do have a point and here some quotes to help prove some points

Men have also changed their views relative to the shape of the earth. "Voyages of discovery," explains The World Book Encyclopedia, "showed that the world was round, not flat as most people had believed." But the Bible was correct all along! More than 2,000 years before those voyages, the Bible said at Isaiah 40:22: "There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth," or as other translations say, "the globe of the earth" (Douay), "the round earth." (Moffatt)

as for hellgrazor I could argue at your statement (which is pretty weak I mght add)but I won't (because I'm better then that * boasting*) here some scriptures and notes to make you feel better if anything because that question is so old and sad it really doesn't take a idiot to figure outEcclesiastes 9:11I returned to see under the sun that the swift do not have the race, nor the mighty ones the battle, nor do the wise also have the food, nor do the understanding ones also have the riches, nor do even those having knowledge have the favor; because time and unforeseen occurrence befall them all.This scripute show bad thing happen in life to all people so get over it Galatians 6:7. Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap;show that god is not responsible for all the things that is happening around the world many times it people and they just reap what the sow (do bad/stupid things then only that same out come will occur)

'But isn't God powerful enough to end suffering now?' you may ask. Some faithful men in Bible times wondered about that. The prophet Habakkuk asked God: "Why is it that you look on those dealing treacherously, that you keep silent when someone wicked swallows up someone more righteous than he is?" However, Habakkuk did not jump to hasty conclusions. He said: "I shall keep watch, to see what he will speak by me." Later, God assured him that at an "appointed time," He would end suffering. (Habakkuk 1:13; 2:1-3) We must therefore be patient, waiting for God to end wickedness at his appointed time.

This is self explanitory if you read it....

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 08:35 PM

Personally, I think he might or might not be real. Moreover, I don't really care. Though if he does exist, I think he really needs an ego-check (according to most religions, anyways)
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 08:40 PM

I certainly believe that there is some upper being, since nothing can come from nothing, as it seemedly has done if the big bang was ever to happen. I mean, how can gas and rocks and stuff that made it explode form out of nowhere?
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 08:42 PM

Yes, but how did the upper being come to be?
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Posted 17 March 2006 - 10:51 PM

Edit....When humans die they become worm food, or fungus food and decay like all organisms. They dont turn into turn into dirt from there, they may enrich the dirt but never turn onto dirt...Decomposition 101 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DecaySaying god did it, is when you make claim and you would have to back yourself upConfidence and humility I choose both XDI really need to get to bed now :P

hmmm I read the article you have posted and the only place where it say that the body becomes where I read that a body can decompose the way you describe is certain conditions are met, for example if the body is left out side it will have fungus grow over, another one if the body is left in the ground (without a coffin) worms will eat it. these facts are true but you still for get to mention that when these element interact with the body the body is still being broken down (to illustrate when you eat an apple your body breaks it down to waste matter after getting what it recieve and the waste lives your body... and if you every had to do an experiment dealing with waste matter you'll know it turns to dirt in matter of time trust me I had to do it for class with dog waste matter.... needless to say it was disgusting) to a simplier product so that once the earth or the surounding area done drying it up it, the body or the waste product be comes dust or a like matter...dead body--> worm digest--> worms make waste---> waste drys up---> left over items become part of the dirt or dust.... or if this not convincing experiment with dog waste. Step one find a dog step two wait till it make waste step three place waste on grass, step four check waste every other day and make notes on any physical changes. If no change occur in the next week and stays their forever you'll just realized you touch dog waste for nothing but if it seems to dired up to a point were it become dust like material then a point has been proven well enjoy.... and keep up the good work... :P XD

The last time I checked dirt was made from disintegrated rock. Dirt may contain organic matter in it but dirt is not made up of organic matter.

ummm A fast note if you ever have a chance to read the bible what ever version you may be able to obtain please take the time to read the part were Moses ask God to show his face.... but in case you never read it or don't trust the bible I beleive it said something like this - Moses ask god to see his face but god replied and said that if anyone were to see his face he/she will die in his presence because no man who have seen god lived... So all ya'll people please stop asking to see god XD Plus if anyone can help me find the scripture I really apreciated I wouldn't want Neotigerx or anyone else try to argue this point but as for all other religions they will have to speack up for themsleves because I have no answer for them for this question because I can't really speak on their behalf

Its amazing how you guys can make things up or cover things up things that may trouble your religion

A lot of people claim that there is no God because you can't see Him. I say they should take a look at this verse:(John 20:25b-29, NIV) But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." 26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." 28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

You better restate that. A few people claim that god doesnt exist because you cant see him beacause that like a weak arguement. There are alot more of other reasons why people dont believe in god, so get it right.
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Posted 18 March 2006 - 12:49 AM

No, I dont believe worshipping god is a chore, I believe it worshipping an invisable quiet insane and I havent found a good reason to believe. Also you say Im insecure, what do you mean by that?Really? Even though human atoms and ground/soil/dirt are completely different? I can believe someone would actually compare humans to dirt...thats low

Ah I see so you pretty much feel you have nothing to be thankful for.Im only comparing humans o dirt to make a point. And yes we are dirt. We started as dust and when we die our bodies turn back into to dust. Comon, your supposed to be the smart scientific atheist and you don't even know that? You are the litteral example of irony. You chose to believe all science except for that that works with the bible.

Humans are simply just this:Carbon: 61.7%Nitrogen: 11.0%Oxygen: 9.3%Hydrogen: 5.7%Calcium: 5.0%Phosphorus: 3.3%Potassium: 1.3%Sulfur: 1.0%Chlorine: 0.7%Sodium: 0.7%Magnesium: 0.3%And other trace minerals

Technically all these minerals can be found in the ground. It is a very hard task though to combine these elements into a working human being. It is almost impossible with out a sperm and and egg. So how do we come from that and end up like this?This is beyond the realm of humans and that is when we step stright into god's territory. The more we try to be like god, we fall and miss a step and are driven to become the devil himself.
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Posted 18 March 2006 - 02:38 AM

God does exist, we all just have our sperate ways of showing are faith

Well said! However, can I ask you this: Which way is the correct way? For in all things, there is a right and wrong way. There is a right way to change the tires of your car, and a wrong way. If you tighten the lug-nuts out of order, you warp the roters. So, with this said, which way is the way to heaven? I say that no man comes to the Father except through the grace of Jesus. If you never heard of Jesus, then it is still Hs grace that gets you there. If you have heard of Jesus then it is still His grace that gets you there.
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Posted 18 March 2006 - 02:42 AM

Heaven is not measured by good things you did but the people whose lives you changed.
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Posted 18 March 2006 - 07:50 AM

Heaven is not measured by good things you did but the people whose lives you changed.

John 3:16:For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that who so ever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.Heaven...eternal life...it is gift, that God has given us, not by works.Ephesians 2:8-10For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Notice though that God does want us to do good works in His name, and what will we get?1 Samuel 26:23The Lord rewards every man for his righteousness and faithfulness.Psalm 37:4Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.
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Posted 19 March 2006 - 02:30 AM

No, I dont believe worshipping god is a chore, I believe it worshipping an invisable quiet insane and I havent found a good reason to believe. Also you say Im insecure, what do you mean by that?Really? Even though human atoms and ground/soil/dirt are completely different? I can believe someone would actually compare humans to dirt...thats low

Ah I see so you pretty much feel you have nothing to be thankful for.Im only comparing humans o dirt to make a point. And yes we are dirt. We started as dust and when we die our bodies turn back into to dust. Comon, your supposed to be the smart scientific atheist and you don't even know that? You are the litteral example of irony. You chose to believe all science except for that that works with the bible.

Humans are simply just this:Carbon: 61.7%Nitrogen: 11.0%Oxygen: 9.3%Hydrogen: 5.7%Calcium: 5.0%Phosphorus: 3.3%Potassium: 1.3%Sulfur: 1.0%Chlorine: 0.7%Sodium: 0.7%Magnesium: 0.3%And other trace minerals

Technically all these minerals can be found in the ground. It is a very hard task though to combine these elements into a working human being. It is almost impossible with out a sperm and and egg. So how do we come from that and end up like this?This is beyond the realm of humans and that is when we step stright into god's territory. The more we try to be like god, we fall and miss a step and are driven to become the devil himself.

Dude, you could find all those stuff in comets. There are like 20,000 different kinds of soil in just are country. Not all of them contain all of those minerals. Im a bit confused about the origin of life knowing nobody relly know where we come from. We didnt just BAM came from dirt and saying genesis was true because are body partially contains the contents of dirt -_-

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 06:23 AM

I dont need to support my claims, becasue things in the bible is not not fact. Your making it seem like the bible is true when its not a fact or has evidence. If it was true then it would be taught in schools. Religion is so weak and unsupported it never made it as a theory in science books lol and do you wonder why, because people find it unsupported. Ever wonder why the evolution theory is the science books but not the creationist theory aka "talking snake theory" The evolution theory has things that can support it like fossils and carbon dating while on the hand religion has 0

You keep saying you don't have to support your claim because your claim is that the Bible isn't true. I'll tackle this quote point by point.The Bible is not fact: I never said it was. I said it uses a vast array of literary devices such as Metaphor, Poem, History, Parables, etc. A metaphor isn't a fact, it's a literary device used to illustrate a point. Big difference.No evidence? I posted a link that explained that the flood myth HAD evidence, IE, that researchers found a sunken city in an area that at one time would've been quite above water and was NOT in a valley.Scientific Theory: The Bible is THEOLOGY. NOT Science. There's a difference. Of COURSE it's not going to be taught in a science book, it's not science, it's THEOLOGY. That's like saying "Buddhism doesn't make it as a scientific theory!" well no duh, it's philosophy, not science.Not taught in schools: This is due to the 1st Amendment. Since the gov't can't choose one religion over another, and there's hundreds of different faiths (Scientology not withstanding), then they can't viably teach it, also it would abridge a student's right to be free from religion by having it thrust at him/her.Creationism: There's two kinds, YEC, and OEC. YEC is Young Earth Creationism, it's a literal interpretation of Genesis. That's blatantly false. The OEC, Old Earth Creationism, is parallel with Evolution citing that Genesis is Metaphorical and that since Man is alleged to "come from dirt" that would align with Evolutionary and Abiogenetic theories of man's arrival, IE, that we came from primordial goup that turned into animals that turned into man.Big Bang is something else no Christian has ever argued against. Why? It shows that the universe had a beginning, which leads to a belief that something caused it, to them, God.For everything you say I can counter with minimal effort. And until you provide some support for your claims, show HOW the Bible is fake, then I have to assume you have little understanding of it. Reading the Bible isn't enough to disprove it. It requires a study of History, Context, Culture, Literature, Hermenuetics, etc.Did you know there's a plant in the middle east that secretes an oil that's highly combustable? Ever think that might have something to do with Moses seeing a burning bush? Or would you care to try this consistent BS of yours on a REAL debate site with REAL Atheists and Theists that have understanding of the subject?
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Posted 19 March 2006 - 07:36 AM

ummm A fast note if you ever have a chance to read the bible what ever version you may be able to obtain please take the time to read the part were Moses ask God to show his face.... but in case you never read it or don't trust the bible I beleive it said something like this - Moses ask god to see his face but god replied and said that if anyone were to see his face he/she will die in his presence because no man who have seen god lived... So all ya'll people please stop asking to see god XD Plus if anyone can help me find the scripture I really apreciated I wouldn't want Neotigerx or anyone else try to argue this point but as for all other religions they will have to speack up for themsleves because I have no answer for them for this question because I can't really speak on their behalf

Its amazing how you guys can make things up or cover things up things that may trouble your religion

WOW XD you caught me not doing my reseacrh before I post. True the bible didn't say those exact statement because I really didn't have my bible at hand. but that No excuse for me not to giving you a proper answer.First of all know that I can give you the scriptures were it say it and for you to believe it what is say is true or not is up to you I'll present my notes and let this point drop Notes on GodImpossible to see god.........Ex33:20, Joh 1:18, 1Joh 4:12 these are the popular stripure to state that god can't be seen by human eyes and live look them up yourself if you have the time but if not I'll give one

Ex33:17-20 17 And Jehovah went on to say to Moses: “This thing, too, of which you have spoken, I shall do, because you have found favor in my eyes and I know you by name.” 18 At this he said: “Cause me to see, please, your glory.” 19 But he said: “I myself shall cause all my goodness to pass before your face, and I will declare the name of Jehovah before you; and I will favor the one whom I may favor, and I will show mercy to the one to whom I may show mercy.” 20 And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

and this is taken from my translation of the bible which is call The New world Translation and again sorry I didn't post this right away but here's an biblical answer if don't to believe it up to you because I don't care I just want to show you that I don't make things up and also to tell you what ever I say in this topic will be the absoulte truth and nothing else...plus if you do have any question on were I get my information or how I arrive at my conclustion I'll be more then happy to answer with some more details and effort (plus i'm starting like you... you're giving me a good reason to reseacrh my bible more I'd don't know if that was you're goal or not I thank you either way. Because I really do like a good discussion XD )And about the dirt issue true it mostly made out of rock that been crush to smaller particals and that technically is dirt but you still can't argue the fact that dirt is also comprise with organic compound and some element on earth are composted with once living creatures (I think dinosuars and oil is an good example ) and many people still consider it to be regular dirt (and don't need to believe in god to come to that conclustion)

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 08:07 AM

Dude, you could find all those stuff in comets. There are like 20,000 different kinds of soil in just are country. Not all of them contain all of those minerals. Im a bit confused about the origin of life knowing nobody relly know where we come from. We didnt just BAM came from dirt and saying genesis was true because are body partially contains the contents of dirt

So pretty much we also have the possibility of coming from outerspace as well. And we are back to square 1. Everytime you try to prove something you end up with more questions. I beleive there is a god and I also believe in Karma. If you do good things, good things will happen to you. Karma may be just a mental thing but I've never been able to put another explanation on it. Science is almost as vauge as the bible so I choose to believe in both. But even still why 4000+ years later why are we trying so hard to disprove the bible? Do you think you'll feel smarter if you choose to ignore that there in more truth in the bible than reality. There are many things that probably didn't happen but also many things were proven to happen. Neontiger, It takes more to believe something you can't see than to believe in something that's laid in front of your face.
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Posted 19 March 2006 - 09:15 AM

i dont believe in any god who is "all powerful" or omnipitent (is that how u spell it?) If i did, id be way to freaked out to live fearing that i might be smited one day
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Posted 19 March 2006 - 08:05 PM

I guess I don't believe in religion, or I believe that religion isn't as important as people make it seem. There may be a god, and there may not...who knows. I like cold hard facts, and so far I haven't seen any evidence that he exists...or not enough to make him real...or her.
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Posted 19 March 2006 - 08:57 PM

Dude, you could find all those stuff in comets. There are like 20,000 different kinds of soil in just are country. Not all of them contain all of those minerals. Im a bit confused about the origin of life knowing nobody relly know where we come from. We didnt just BAM came from dirt and saying genesis was true because are body partially contains the contents of dirt

So pretty much we also have the possibility of coming from outerspace as well. And we are back to square 1. Everytime you try to prove something you end up with more questions. I beleive there is a god and I also believe in Karma. If you do good things, good things will happen to you. Karma may be just a mental thing but I've never been able to put another explanation on it. Science is almost as vauge as the bible so I choose to believe in both. But even still why 4000+ years later why are we trying so hard to disprove the bible? Do you think you'll feel smarter if you choose to ignore that there in more truth in the bible than reality. There are many things that probably didn't happen but also many things were proven to happen. Neontiger, It takes more to believe something you can't see than to believe in something that's laid in front of your face.

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 03:36 AM

i think the idea of God is a human creation. Let's for a moment imagine that humans never existed. Would the universe still be there? I don't see why not. After all, the earth and solar system is only a tiny part of the universe. If we do believe that God created the universe, this God must be far more distant than most religions think he is. Another question that i want to raise to that why do we assign the human pronoun "he" to God? Isn't it a little bit arrogant for us to assume that the creator of the universe has human attributes? Compare to the rest of the universe, humans are so insignificant. It goes back to the idea that if humans never existed, there will still be planets and stars in the universe. God is a way for humans to understand the universe and ourselves. As for me, i don't believe that there is a God, but I understand why other people do, and I see nothing wrong with such a belief, so it is very human.
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Posted 20 March 2006 - 03:55 AM

Like what?

Lets start with Exodus.We have no explaination on how the earth began. So what the hell? Does "Okay, a giant ball of light came from god" and "A big giant ball of gas from no where" sound all to familiar. The big bang hasn't even been to the least bit proven and is almost as sketchy as the bible itself. It's just something there as a guess to make atheists feel they can explain everything.Someone did in fact lead the Isrealites led out of egypt. The Fall of the Old kingdom of egypt happened about a century later. I doubt that loosing slaves would contribute to the fall of egypt. There was evidence of drought and food loss (plauge of lotus). This led to the depression of Egypt (darkness). The bible only says darkness and doesn't say anything about not seeing. Could it be the mood or emotion? This leads to the death of many in egypt(death of the first born) right before the Greeks came to conquer what little last leg they stood on. Just to name a few.

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 10:39 PM

i think the idea of God is a human creation. Let's for a moment imagine that humans never existed. Would the universe still be there? I don't see why not. After all, the earth and solar system is only a tiny part of the universe. If we do believe that God created the universe, this God must be far more distant than most religions think he is. Another question that i want to raise to that why do we assign the human pronoun "he" to God? Isn't it a little bit arrogant for us to assume that the creator of the universe has human attributes? Compare to the rest of the universe, humans are so insignificant. It goes back to the idea that if humans never existed, there will still be planets and stars in the universe. God is a way for humans to understand the universe and ourselves. As for me, i don't believe that there is a God, but I understand why other people do, and I see nothing wrong with such a belief, so it is very human.

I appreciate you views and are very good points (finally someone with a decent arguement). If every atheist were had as good veiws as you maybe I wouldn't be frustated half the time. Only two things I disagree with.God created humans in his likeness so naturally God will look somewhat like a human. And obviuosly the universe wouldn't change if humans were here but then why are the hell are we here then?

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 01:22 AM

i think the idea of God is a human creation. Let's for a moment imagine that humans never existed. Would the universe still be there? I don't see why not. After all, the earth and solar system is only a tiny part of the universe. If we do believe that God created the universe, this God must be far more distant than most religions think he is. Another question that i want to raise to that why do we assign the human pronoun "he" to God? Isn't it a little bit arrogant for us to assume that the creator of the universe has human attributes? Compare to the rest of the universe, humans are so insignificant. It goes back to the idea that if humans never existed, there will still be planets and stars in the universe. God is a way for humans to understand the universe and ourselves. As for me, i don't believe that there is a God, but I understand why other people do, and I see nothing wrong with such a belief, so it is very human.

I appreciate you views and are very good points (finally someone with a decent arguement). If every atheist were had as good veiws as you maybe I wouldn't be frustated half the time. Only two things I disagree with.God created humans in his likeness so naturally God will look somewhat like a human. And obviuosly the universe wouldn't change if humans were here but then why are the hell are we here then?

As an atheist, I find it...odd/interesting that your attitude towards atheists is that you are one who is enlightened and they are the ones who are not. If that sounds like I'm analyzing you wrong, please forgive me, but I would just like to know how you can make "very good points" to support religion. Mangekyou gives only a few reasons as to why it is ridiculous to believe in God. The only things I have heard from a religios person is "How do you expain the creation of the universe?" obviously, and the old "you just gotta have faith". Neither of those "points" are rational at all, with all due respect. I don't mean to be a a-hole, but I just don't see how you can think that way. I hope that you see this and respond, because I am quite interested.People who think they are superior are often very interesting to talk to, maybe because I am one myself.
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Posted 22 March 2006 - 03:04 AM

God to me is real but you must understand that for you to claim your religion is real is for you say that anyone brought up as a buhddist can say that their religion is real as well. So just because you were raised to believe something doesnt make it true cause there are many others out there as well that go through your experiences and make the same claims.
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Posted 22 March 2006 - 03:40 AM

I belive in god but I really don't agree with all of the catholic teachings. For exapmple, I think that once you learn the our father and basic prayers it is useless to go to caticism. Also, you cant judge a person by their god.
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