Personally, I don't believe in any God but that's not to say I don't respect others beliefs. I do believe I could be converted but only with evidence. But since evidence tends to vary from view to view it's hard to say what could convince me without leading to some form of an argument.
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Posted 22 March 2006 - 03:19 PM
Well normally I'd read back on topics like this before saying anything, but at 286 pages I don't think I'll bother!I'm an atheist, and I'd really like to know how fundementalist Christians, who believe every word in the bible, explain many of its internal inconsistencies. There's a great list of them here. If the bible is the word of God, then it should all match up, but if it was written by many different people, you would expect to see inconsistencies and contradictions, as there are.
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Posted 22 March 2006 - 04:52 PM
Long since been beaten to death with a stick. You CAN'T take the bible litterally. Jesus spoke in parables; let he who hath ears listen. The book was written by men, therefore it is flawed.I'm an atheist, and I'd really like to know how fundementalist Christians, who believe every word in the bible, explain many of its internal inconsistencies. There's a great list of them here. If the bible is the word of God, then it should all match up, but if it was written by many different people, you would expect to see inconsistencies and contradictions, as there are.
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Posted 22 March 2006 - 05:32 PM
I am not a fanatic of the religions who in the name of God of the union divides the world. On the other hand, I am certain that God exists. One calls that the faith. For that which sees in the bible a continuation of contradiction, I think that it is normal. But I will only like to explain one analogy: A mother tells has her boy a history. It omits to say certain part since it knows that it is not yet mature. But 10 later this same history but with more details tells. It is not the mother who changes, at the bottom,it is the little boy who grows. It is not God who changes, it is the comprehension of the man who grows.
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Posted 22 March 2006 - 06:58 PM
Well, no, I don't think you CAN take it literally. I don't think it's true at all. But try telling that to some people I know, and millions of others around the world, who really do take it literally. Believe me, I wish they didn't.Long since been beaten to death with a stick. You CAN'T take the bible litterally. Jesus spoke in parables; let he who hath ears listen. The book was written by men, therefore it is flawed.
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 04:38 AM
Taken literally, the earth, according to the bible, is about 6,000 years old. Not supposed to be a literal book. Tell your fundementalist friends.Well, no, I don't think you CAN take it literally. I don't think it's true at all. But try telling that to some people I know, and millions of others around the world, who really do take it literally. Believe me, I wish they didn't.
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First of all, he wasn't proving religion he was proving his ideas of how he feels why god is a human image. I choose to respect peoples beliefs and not block out others. I think you have the posts mixed up because I didn't say anything about why it's ridiculous to believe in God.Second of all, you can make good points to support religion. Why do people doubt anything that can't be explained? Thousands of years ago people were mapping out the solar system and making accurate calanders. The Mayan calander even included the leap year. How did these ancient cultures know what was out there before we lacked the modern intruments to see them? There maybe more that lies beyond our 5 senses. And you are the first person I met that actually admitted that he was a conceded atheist.As an atheist, I find it...odd/interesting that your attitude towards atheists is that you are one who is enlightened and they are the ones who are not. If that sounds like I'm analyzing you wrong, please forgive me, but I would just like to know how you can make "very good points" to support religion. Mangekyou gives only a few reasons as to why it is ridiculous to believe in God. The only things I have heard from a religios person is "How do you expain the creation of the universe?" obviously, and the old "you just gotta have faith". Neither of those "points" are rational at all, with all due respect. I don't mean to be a a-hole, but I just don't see how you can think that way. I hope that you see this and respond, because I am quite interested.People who think they are superior are often very interesting to talk to, maybe because I am one myself.I appreciate you views and are very good points (finally someone with a decent arguement). If every atheist were had as good veiws as you maybe I wouldn't be frustated half the time. Only two things I disagree with.God created humans in his likeness so naturally God will look somewhat like a human. And obviuosly the universe wouldn't change if humans were here but then why are the hell are we here then?i think the idea of God is a human creation. Let's for a moment imagine that humans never existed. Would the universe still be there? I don't see why not. After all, the earth and solar system is only a tiny part of the universe. If we do believe that God created the universe, this God must be far more distant than most religions think he is. Another question that i want to raise to that why do we assign the human pronoun "he" to God? Isn't it a little bit arrogant for us to assume that the creator of the universe has human attributes? Compare to the rest of the universe, humans are so insignificant. It goes back to the idea that if humans never existed, there will still be planets and stars in the universe. God is a way for humans to understand the universe and ourselves. As for me, i don't believe that there is a God, but I understand why other people do, and I see nothing wrong with such a belief, so it is very human.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 05:30 AM
Many things in the Bible that are explained away as inconsitancies are taken out of context and twisted to the point of view of the person seeking the inconsitancies. There are also a lot of problems with translating the subtleties of old hebrew and greek to english.However, as to why we christians believe the Bible is because of faith. We see the evidence of it's truth in the world all around us, and so we believe. Many would say it is ignorance, or futlility to serve God, but when you've experienced the things a great deal of believers have experienced it confirms your belief. That's just the way it is.Well normally I'd read back on topics like this before saying anything, but at 286 pages I don't think I'll bother!I'm an atheist, and I'd really like to know how fundementalist Christians, who believe every word in the bible, explain many of its internal inconsistencies. There's a great list of them here. If the bible is the word of God, then it should all match up, but if it was written by many different people, you would expect to see inconsistencies and contradictions, as there are.
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Meh, it's a global mistranslation of the Hebrew word for day, it ranges anywhere from half a day (12 hours) to an entire eon. Fundamentalists = Evangelicals and Evangelicals = The basis of every stereotype regarding Christianity. Has anyone else noticed how this discussion has made no progress since it first began?Taken literally, the earth, according to the bible, is about 6,000 years old. Not supposed to be a literal book. Tell your fundementalist friends.
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It's not just you. My sociology class had a discussion on religion last semester, and the same thing happened. It's because too many people are convinced that they're right. ...It's weird being a self-hating Catholic...Has anyone else noticed how this discussion has made no progress since it first began?
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Unfortunatly there are still atheists that refuse to beleve in a god as well as Christians who refuse to accept other peoples views. It's sad but everytime I make a good point it is ignored and drowned out by one liners such as:"I love God""God don't exsist""Me too"It annoys me as hell but what can you do.It's not just you. My sociology class had a discussion on religion last semester, and the same thing happened. It's because too many people are convinced that they're right. ...It's weird being a self-hating Catholic...Has anyone else noticed how this discussion has made no progress since it first began?
No, being human and having emotions fuels hatred toword others. Why would you even think something like that? Of all things your concerned about, you think that religion fuels hatred. No not pride, poverty, or sin. Religion. This is when we know there is something wrong with our world."Look at those nuns, god I hate them. Oh wait there's George Bush sending americans to die in Iraq for no reason, lets go vote for him."And thats what you sound like right now.yeah religion fuels hatred to others
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Yes, but who doesn't love cyclical logic? Anyway, how about reasons why you do or don't believe in a God?Has anyone else noticed how this discussion has made no progress since it first began?
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Meh, no special reasons. The only reason I believe (I think) is because there's a balance to all of this chaos.Yes, but who doesn't love cyclical logic? Anyway, how about reasons why you do or don't believe in a God?
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im not hinduist (i may be wrong about this) but i agree with what they think that everyone will reach niervana (that is if your not killing anyone or doing something really bad) its just that theirs more than one way to reach it their very toleable to other reliegions and beliefs and i think i agree with them the most so god real or not i dont know but i think that if their was or is a god he/she/it would have it that way.
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I don't understand what you mean by this. Can you elaborate?science is realreligion is only real in your mind
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1. Ok, so I guess you'd rather go to a liberal college we're they tell you to believe evolution or be kicked out of school. I really see freedom of thinking there. Do you actually know how many professors have been fired for not teaching evolution? Where was free thinking for them? And besides, if something is true and truly proven, why do you need to discuss it? No one argues that the earth is sphere shaped. But say a teacher in school starts teaching that it is box shaped. Would it be wrong or right to quiet him? If you did quiet him, you're hampering his free thinking, but if not, then he is teaching falsely to his students.2. We have war because man is not perfect and we are all sinners. As long as the earth still exists, we're always going to have war. Do you think if suddenly the world became devoid of religion we'd be safer?3. The Bible recognizes that men and women are different. God gave men and women different tasks and jobs to do. Men can't do everying in the world and neither can women. God designed us to perform different tasks and that's that.4. Its true that many religions promote death to infidels or non-believers, but the Bible say that Christians should love their enemies and pray for them. I am in no way saying that every person who calls themself a Christian potrays this perfectly, because many who claim to be Christians are only so on the outside. The Bible promotes unity across the world, but under Jesus. Unity otherwise is just humanitarian thinking.5. The fear of God is part of the Bible. He is much more powerful that us and sustains us all so some fear is in order. Unbelievers should fear the fate of hell as well, since it is very serious and very eternal. However, after salvation, the Bible shows that we have the Holy Spirit in us. We should still be concerned about life hell and the devil, but we no longer need to fear him since we now have the Holy Spirit. The Bible even says that the spirit of fear does not come from God but from the evil one.6. Faith is very much a big part of Christianity. However it is not all blind faith. God manifests himself all throughout the world in his amazing creation. I find it very hard to see the details of the human body and its complex parts and to say that it all happened randomly over millions of years. Proof is all around us. If you would see a house in the middle of a field and you were asked how it got there, you would guess that someone built it. That would be a logical guess. You probably wouldn't think that it got there from the explosion of a lumber yard. However many people just accept the idea that complex organisms just came from a big band and lots of time.7. Sadly, nowadays you'd be hard pressed to find a nation that is founded on morality. As far as America, I would say that its been a while since religion was in charge. For a nation to thrive, it must be completely transformed by the word of God and live it out. If this does not happen, you can never say for sure that religion won't cause a nation to thrive.8. I'm so glad you brought this one up because this is one of the most misunderstood points about the Bible. I could have written an entire post just on this. First of all lets give some examples of scientist throughout history who were Christians. Carolus Linnaeus, known as the Father of Taxonomy (the system of scientific names, like "homo sapiens") grew up the son of a Lutheran pastor and said all his life that the reason he was fascinated by science was to see deeper in the world that God created and to see his character in it. Isaac Newton (who "discovered" gravity) was inspired by his faith in his work and he accepted the creation accounts in the bible as literal. Newton was also laid the foundations for modern calculus. Louis Pasteur, known as the father of bacteriology, was also motivated by his faith. Whenever he made discoveries, he said that it only made his view of God more important. One of his major accomplishments was the sterilization of food and drink to make it safer for us. This process is now known as “pasteurization” (coined from his name). Seconly I want to look at science fould right in the Bible. Many misconceptions that men have had abou the universe throughout history could have been cleared up just by looking in God's word. Many people in history believed that the earth was flat however in Isaiah 40:22 it says that "He (God) sits enthroned above the circle of the earth." Also, in the old days many people thought that below the sea, it was just flat land, and not that deep. However in 2 Samuel 22:16 it says that "The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils." We know now today that the seas are very deep and that they have valleys at the bottom. There are many more examples that aren't listed here too.9. Restrictions are put in place for our good. Say for instince regarding sex (because that is one of the big ones). Statistics are out that say nearly 20% percent or people in the US have STDs. That is a lot of people, when you factor in how much of the population you would presume to be sexually active. Also with casual sex on the rise, abortion numbers are also increasing, as we need a method to escape one of the consequences of sin. People say that they aren't people but just ask anyone who has had an abortion. Why not just put it up for adoption? Its because we knew that it was wrong to sin in the first place and we try to hide it. God asks us to wait for the proper time after marriage, which is when he designed sex to be used. This is only for our protection, because even though we like to think of ourselves as invincible, the simple truth is we are not. Lastly I would just like to say that many people try to put restrictions on God or the miracles he does. To explain this I'm going to use an analogy. Since this is a rom site its about games (I know this is a goofy analogy, but I thought it was appropriate). Suppose you and I live in Mushroom Kingdom. We start discussing how it all got here: where we came from, the castle, and the whole world. I say that a higher being created it all. You're argument though is how could anyone make this world. Your idea is that they would need to be big and powerful and that there just aren't enough mushrooms and power stars for this to be. From outside the world, we see that a programmer made the world. He labored over it getting everything just right so that the world could exist. But since he made the world, you can't restrict him to the limits of that world. That is just nonsense. You can't argue away God by saying its physically impossible or something like that. He created our world, its nature, and the scientific laws that govern it. He isn't limited to them. I hope this all made some sense. Thanks for reading this if you made it all the way through.Let me clear things up tell you people why religion is terrible1. NO RELIGION ENCOURAGES FREE THINKING, WHICH IS A PREREQUISITE FOR REAL MENTAL DEVELOPMENT. 2. RELIGION IS THE GREATEST FACTOR RESPONSIBLE IN THE WORLD HISTORY THAT LED TO DEATH OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN SO-CALLED HOLY WARS.3. RELIGION DISCRIMINATES BETWEEN MALE & FEMALE IN TERMS OF PROVIDING EQUAL RIGHTS 4. RELIGION HAS KEPT MANKIND SEPARATED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. RELIGION CREATES BIGOTS & FANATICS & PROVOKES THEM TO HATE FELLOW HUMANS BELONGING TO OTHER RELIGION. AND THIS IS A MAJOR OBSTACLE TOWARDS ESTABLISHING UNIVERSAL ATTITUDE IN RELIGIOUS INDIVIDUALS (AT LEAST FOR THOSE WHO PRACTICE RELIGION SERIOUSLY). 5. RELIGION TAKES ADVANTAGE OF HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY NAKEDLY BY SCARING PEOPLE IN TERMS OF DREADFUL PUNISHMENTS IN AFTERLIFE(?).THUS IT CONVERTS PEOPLE INTO FEAR PSYCHOTIC PATIENTS WHICH IS REALLY INHUMAN. 6. IN RELIGION, PEOPLE ARE LED BY BLIND BELIEF RATHER THAN RATIONALE & CONSCIENCE7. IN MODERN WORLD, RELIGION HAS COMPLETELY FAILED TO CREATE A PEACEFUL & CIVILIZED NATION.8. IN WORLD HISTORY, RELIGION HARDLY, IF EVER, ENCOURAGED PROGRESS OF SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY, RATHER MOSTLY IT HINDERED9. RELIGION RESTRICTS PERSONAL FREEDOM TO A LARGE EXTENT I think I pwn3d enough
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What do you mean by that ;)Anyway let me cut this bible crap out. You wanna know the real truth about the bibile?The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th centuryI appreciate you views and are very good points (finally someone with a decent arguement). If every atheist were had as good veiws as you maybe I wouldn't be frustated half the time. Only two things I disagree with.God created humans in his likeness so naturally God will look somewhat like a human. And obviuosly the universe wouldn't change if humans were here but then why are the hell are we here then?i think the idea of God is a human creation. Let's for a moment imagine that humans never existed. Would the universe still be there? I don't see why not. After all, the earth and solar system is only a tiny part of the universe. If we do believe that God created the universe, this God must be far more distant than most religions think he is. Another question that i want to raise to that why do we assign the human pronoun "he" to God? Isn't it a little bit arrogant for us to assume that the creator of the universe has human attributes? Compare to the rest of the universe, humans are so insignificant. It goes back to the idea that if humans never existed, there will still be planets and stars in the universe. God is a way for humans to understand the universe and ourselves. As for me, i don't believe that there is a God, but I understand why other people do, and I see nothing wrong with such a belief, so it is very human.
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Not to seem like I don't believe you, but where the proof for this information I mean it easy to say something without proof. Show some proof please So you'll won't get hatted on be every evangalical preacher on the web, plus there are scriptures in tthe bible that say that it from god him himself anfd if anyone were to, how do I say oh yeah rewrite it to their own interpratation then they'll die (now if I can find the verse that say that before I get hated on (man I wish I got my bible in my book bag, you'll think I'll learn))And yeah even if i'm pro god I just want you give a stronger arguement then "the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century" So you can prove your point (or have it crush or ignored) by everyone elseQuick edit- Scripural point one Revalation 22: 18-19The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century
So if any one who really believe in the bible would never or shouldn't change the word of the bible (but yet there are those do)18 “I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll
Edited by The Foo Foo bunny Rriders, 28 March 2006 - 12:38 AM.
"A boy has the right to dream. There are endless possibilities stretched out before him. What awaits him down the path, he will then have to choose. The boy doesn't always know. At some point, the boy then becomes an adult, and learns what he was able to become. Joy and sadness forever will accompany this. He is confronted with a choice. When this happens, does he bid his past farewell in his heart? Once a boy becomes an adult, he can no longer go back to being a boy. The boy is now a man. Only one thing can be said. A boy has the right to dream. For those endless possibilities are stretched out before him. We must remember. All men were once boys."
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Check it out -------> http://www.deism.com/biblevotes.htmNot to seem like I don't believe you, but where the proof for this information I mean it easy to say something without proof. Show some proof please So you'll won't get hatted on be every evangalical preacher on the web, plus there are scriptures in tthe bible that say that it from god him himself anfd if anyone were to, how do I say oh yeah rewrite it to their own interpratation then they'll die (now if I can find the verse that say that before I get hated on (man I wish I got my bible in my book bag, you'll think I'll learn))And yeah even if i'm pro god I just want you give a stronger arguement then "the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century" So you can prove your point (or have it crush or ignored) by everyone elseThe Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century
lol I find that strange too\ :rofl2:you can tell god is fake, cuz of all the lies they tell about him,God has a list of 10 things he doesnt want you to do and if you do them he will send you to a place with burning and fire and pain for ever and ever,BUT HE LOVES YOU
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Alright good job seeing your proof Some now will have either their faith shaken or just plain angry with you and thier posting argry not how you're wrong, personally I wouldn't care what this guy say because I don't know the source of the material and the fact the word of god (the bible ) took many years to written by many writers and was completed before the fourth century so for me the point is irrelevent of what people thought of the bible when it was completed. As for the ten commandment, it was for the jews, and for burning in hell, well I personally don't believe in Hell (according to greek and hebrew writing hell/sheol was depicted as the common grave of man not a burining place for were a person goes when they die)I mean wasn't their was a verse that Jesus went to hell for three days and Job ask to go to hell wouldn't make any sense at all, and both of them were good men (LOL that get my friend all the time) (- well that my belief i'm sure some one else have something different) because I think the idea of hell came form the roman idea of hades (because it true that some Roman custom got inherited into christanity to convert the masses) So it a give and take on the view on hell different religion (in christainty) will see it differently.... And Neotiger X good job on the research...
Edited by The Foo Foo bunny Rriders, 28 March 2006 - 12:56 AM.
"A boy has the right to dream. There are endless possibilities stretched out before him. What awaits him down the path, he will then have to choose. The boy doesn't always know. At some point, the boy then becomes an adult, and learns what he was able to become. Joy and sadness forever will accompany this. He is confronted with a choice. When this happens, does he bid his past farewell in his heart? Once a boy becomes an adult, he can no longer go back to being a boy. The boy is now a man. Only one thing can be said. A boy has the right to dream. For those endless possibilities are stretched out before him. We must remember. All men were once boys."
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 01:12 AM
just like to say god gave a group of high class male land owners a list of 10 things he didnt want you to do up on a hill when no one was around(wink) sound to me like it was a marketing distiondon't ya think? ^^Help keep people in line
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Another thing, this is a real kicker: When the Bible was written, they forgot one big detail. The Americas. The bible never ONCE even mentioned land to the west of Europe in any great prophecy, only 'prophecy' of the world they lived in, Rome and Asia. Hinting at all towards god being questionable? But that is besides the point. In the Americas, there are people known as NATIVE AMERICANS. Now, they NEVER recieved any ten commandments, NEVER knew about Jesus Christ, and NEVER questioned what it was they knew about their beings of power, such as Coyotes, Foxes, Whales, Earth Starter, The Old Man, The Woman who fell from the sky, the World on the Turtles back, or the Right and Left handed twin brother creators. Never did I ever hear of them recieving any type of Godly influence to write their own book, too. Had such a thing happened, we could be certain that the Christian god was the correct god. But they never had even pondered on that godview. So, how does the Bible account for these people? It was never Prophesized that a great giant continent had existed just to the west of Africa and Europe or the East of Asia! Why do you think that god left out this EXTREME detail?
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@neo tiger X earlier post Not the one above here but the one on the last page : Not to sound like I don't care or see your point of view, but do take in consideration that if God did tell them that America exist what point will it serve, I mean their were no way for people to cross that body of ocean at the time so telling them that a land exist if they themselves will never have any contact with in the near future. Plus many scientist believe that most (or all) of the native american came across the great Ice brigde that once connected North american land mass with parts of northern asia (This true but add research need to be applied) and also take in to account in to Matt 24:14 when it says
According to this scripture the good news was suppose to be preach to all the inhabited earth so That would include Native amercian once they get in contact with the god word the bible (but we all know that never really happen now don't we)Plus in my belief anyone who never had a chance to learn about god will be resureacted to a pardise earth(after armagedon) to learn about god without any outside influence (satan the devil). As for other christain views well they 'll need to expalin themselves because that always brother me about christaindom... some very strong contridiction( or example - you believe in god you go to heaven don't burn in hell. Now if I were to destroy every one in the world that would only leave only one billion people to go to heave while the rest burn in hell, I kinda find that wrong on so many levels) Well that me...14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
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"A boy has the right to dream. There are endless possibilities stretched out before him. What awaits him down the path, he will then have to choose. The boy doesn't always know. At some point, the boy then becomes an adult, and learns what he was able to become. Joy and sadness forever will accompany this. He is confronted with a choice. When this happens, does he bid his past farewell in his heart? Once a boy becomes an adult, he can no longer go back to being a boy. The boy is now a man. Only one thing can be said. A boy has the right to dream. For those endless possibilities are stretched out before him. We must remember. All men were once boys."
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 01:36 AM
Believe it or not the bible do say that the world was round (the problem was nobody ever read it) here scripute to prve it (Isaiah 40:22)but what about clumbus sailing west and everyone thinking he would fall off the side of the world, why didnt they say hes going to find the land that was in the bible!
You see that the problem with people today the say the know the word of the bible but never took the time to read, understand and apply it and because of that people like neotiger X always will question the bible and the existence of god... I think if people who ruin the good name of god and the bible are the source of all this trouble in the world (corrupt bible teaching then teach it to the masses and then corrupt the world). because you have to remember that most bible that was ever printed in earlier times (before the printing press was invented) the only people with a bible will be the priest (religious leaders) kings and rich people who know who to read as for every one else (which hppen to be like 90 precent of the population) had to go on word of mouth for many years....Damned I wish people read the bible themsleves beforre they make such lies.... --- side point people I'm enjoying thisThere is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell,
Edited by The Foo Foo bunny Rriders, 28 March 2006 - 01:53 AM.
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 01:50 AM
ohh i got to ask you something then! how come god always sends a mesenger, also do you pray? if god has a divine plan and you pray and what you want isnt in the divine plan wouldnt that kinda **** the plan up?and if god knows how would that be a huge workload? i dont think he would wish that apon him selfand why would a god that loves us let us have war? ;)ps late reply was taking out trash
Edited by Lokii13, 28 March 2006 - 01:51 AM.
