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[ZeroUrashima]

@ZeroUrashimaSuch weak arguements for not believing in god I mean a lowly creature to comand a god to show his face wow I never heard that one before well i answer kinda of topics before many times, and tell you see the truth it just because for our own safty, I mean Moses ask to see god and god said he'll die if he do so he send messengers or someother means to contact us Here a scripture to futher my point Impossible to see god.........Ex33:20, Joh 1:18, 1Joh 4:12 these are the popular stripure to state that god can't be seen by human eyes and live look them up yourself if you have the time but if not I'll give one hmm I really don't want to get any petty arguements about this so yeah this is notes

Using a Superior Being to explain everything unexplainable isn't exactly a strong argument either you know. Saying that I'll only believe He exists by showing up is in NO WAY an argument, it simply implies that the only way that I'll believe in him is when actual proof othan than texts written by humans comes up. Don't say things before understanding what I said, it never was meant to be argument, my whole reason for not believeing in him is only because there is no proof, I never provided any other arguments, I only disproved argument that didn't make sense or replied at msgs quoted from me. I do not believe in God nor do I believe in the Big Bang theory (though if I had to choose one, I would rather choose Big Bang), I don't give a damn about where we came from.

nononono. You've got it all wrong. In response to rewriting of texts, the modern Bible, i know at least NIV, the most popular version of the Bible, is translated almost directly off ancient Greek and Hebrew texts dating to a mere hundred years after Jesus's "cruxificion". And as for the existence of God, if what the Bible says is true, God exists whether or not we believe him or not. So, if he is what the Bible is saying he is, our insignificant desire to not believe is worthless because he exists apart from our own consciousness.

I honestly don't know much about the Bible so I try not to attack it but I do know one thing, many things of the current Bible is different from the Original. According to the thesis I've read in "Cannibals and Kings" from Marvin Harris, it clearly stated that the original Bible states that life came to this world 4000 years BC which was clearly refuted when the microscopes was invented and proved that life existed way before that, that was the start of of the end of Humans' superioty complex (they believed that all lifeforms were made by God for them) since an important element of the Bible was disproved and discredits the Bible.

Edited by ZeroUrashima, 05 May 2006 - 02:12 AM.

[-Wade-]

@ZeroUrashimaSuch weak arguements for not believing in god I mean a lowly creature to comand a god to show his face wow I never heard that one before well i answer kinda of topics before many times, and tell you see the truth it just because for our own safty, I mean Moses ask to see god and god said he'll die if he do so he send messengers or someother means to contact us Here a scripture to futher my point Impossible to see god.........Ex33:20, Joh 1:18, 1Joh 4:12 these are the popular stripure to state that god can't be seen by human eyes and live look them up yourself if you have the time but if not I'll give one hmm I really don't want to get any petty arguements about this so yeah this is notes

Using a Superior Being to explain everything unexplainable isn't exactly a strong argument either you know. Saying that I'll only believe He exists by showing up is in NO WAY an argument, it simply implies that the only way that I'll believe in him is when actual proof othan than texts written by humans comes up. Don't say things before understanding what I said, it never was meant to be argument, my whole reason for not believeing in him is only because there is no proof, I never provided any other arguments, I only disproved argument that didn't make sense or replied at msgs quoted from me. I do not believe in God nor do I believe in the Big Bang theory (though if I had to choose one, I would rather choose Big Bang), I don't give a damn about where we came from.

In that case I guess you'd should have mention it before because many times when people just don't post their true interntions it taken the wrong way. And as for you're needing proof other then writings that had be involed with man well all I can say is this. Take a look around you, look at nature it self, think of you're own human body, the world that we live in do you honestly believe such things could have been created by accendent by simple molecular combination, and sheer luck if you do then I guess you're intitle to you're belief and it would be wrong of me to try to defer you from it in this topic. But personally I really hyate the idea that all this we have seen created and experience was all resulted in a random chance of luck. I knoe you don't believe in god, the bible (when you say written text I just assumed) and the big bang theory, and you don't give a damned about how we're created I just wanted to give a little food for thought...

[ZeroUrashima]

In that case I guess you'd should have mention it before because many times when people just don't post their true interntions it taken the wrong way. And as for you're needing proof other then writings that had be involed with man well all I can say is this. Take a look around you, look at nature it self, think of you're own human body, the world that we live in do you honestly believe such things could have been created by accendent by simple molecular combination, and sheer luck if you do then I guess you're intitle to you're belief and it would be wrong of me to try to defer you from it in this topic. But personally I really hyate the idea that all this we have seen created and experience was all resulted in a random chance of luck. I knoe you don't believe in god, the bible (when you say written text I just assumed) and the big bang theory, and you don't give a damned about how we're created I just wanted to give a little food for thought...

For your "food for thought", if you went through Bio 101 I think it was called, you would know that Life does indeed come from non-Life. Experiences were made in an environment similar to the theorical Earth without life and molecules that were necessary for life was indeed created, to think that Non-Life created Living beings is in no way farfetched though where the non-life came from, the only scientific explanation for it is the Big Bang which is nothing more than a theory. I do not see the problem in believing that our existence is only the result of luck.

[-Wade-]

Well I never said anything coming from non-living items or such (but the bible did state adam being created from dust hmmmm) And you lost me at the second sentence which make no sense to please clear that up \. And I'm unaware of any experiment that have involved some kind of non-living organism resulting in to a one so please show it with some actual proof that it real other wise I could just say the whole thing is just bull and third the reason I say I (notice I said "I") have a problem with the idea of luck is like a mother explain to a child that s?he was created out of some random chance and their was never some kinda of intention of him/her being born into this world . Well that the idea anyway, and lastly I don't believe USA have classes called bio101

[ZeroUrashima]

Well, you mentioned nature and nature naturally includes life. Here's a quote from "Life, The science of Biology, 7th Edition"

Early in the twentieth century, researchers proposed that there was little oxygen gas in Earth's atmosphere (unlike today where it constitutes 21 percent of our atmosphere). Oxygen is thougt to have accumulated in quantity about 2.5 billion of years ago as the by-product of the single metabolism of single-celled life forms. In the 1950s, Stanley Miller and Harold Urey set up an experimental "primitive" atmosphere containing hydrogen gas, ammonia, methane gas, and water vapor. Through these gases, they passed a spark to simulate lightning, then cooled the system so the gases would condense and collect in a watery solution, or "ocean". Within days, the system contained numerous complex molecules, including amino acids, purines, and pyrimdines --- some of the building blocks of life

The experience was carried out in a system where only those gases were present and it managed to forms compounds that are organic chemical compounds. Thus life (organic chemical compunds) came from non-life (gazes). The quote was quite long so I only took the part that was vital, you should be able to find more information if you search on the net.This is the second thoery of the origin of life called chemical evolution where parts of it can be proven (I never bothered looking it up completely since I'm not much of a biologist.

Edited by ZeroUrashima, 05 May 2006 - 07:04 AM.

[yoru.kanashimi]

i believe that God is a the greater force that can't be measured by human nature and perception. like, God is this huge amazing and unfathomable thing, and then there's this funnel (like the one for cars and such and such) that represents what humanity does with what God really is. when it goes through the funnel, humanity can only squeeze out a tiny bit of what all that really is.in a way, i believe all religions are both wrong and right, in that each of them are just human perceptions of what the "immense" really is, like different paths or means to the same end, but no one can ever really understand or come up with the "big picture."no one