God real or not?

The reason that people find it so hard to go against sin is because we are born from sin, that is Original Sin. It is a nature that is as much a part of us as is a hand. But at the same time we are also born with the knowledge that there are things that we would like to do are wrong (a conscience). And where do you think that this comes from? That the knowledge of right and wrong was something that developed with evolution. No, not was I was taught my friends. It is the Word of God written on your hearts, and the same can be said of faith in general. You can't cognitively think a belief. we adults tend to get let that happen too much.On a side note: If atheists are right and there :shudder: is no God, they won't be able to prove it , there would be no afterlife for them to brag about their proof, and when they die find out that they were wrong, that there is a God, I don't think I would want to be in their shoes.

Edited by unartistic308, 11 December 2007 - 02:25 AM.

On a side note: If atheists are right and there :shudder: is no God, they won't be able to prove it , there would be no afterlife for them to brag about their proof, and when they die find out that they were wrong, that there is a God, I don't think I would want to be in their shoes.

Please don't tell me you're under the impression that all atheists love to brag. That's a pretty silly thing to say, you know.As for that last part, it's rather ridiculous, and it's just another Pascal's Wager in disguise. The problem with it is, what if Christians are wrong? Or Catholics, perhaps? It seems like the only way to be completely "safe" is to be a part of every religion at the same time. Sorry, but don't you realize how foolish that sounded? What if the Norse turned out to be right? Gee, I sure wouldn't want to be in your shoes if you had to stand in front of Odin come judgement time.

Edited by Balore, 11 December 2007 - 03:33 AM.

There is no Satan. There is no god. Period. Religion is a method of controlling people and forcing them to do your bidding. For example in a few religions it is forbidden to eat pork. Heres a sinereo. In a region there is a very rich man who rules the beef industry. One day another rich man comes in and starts to sell his pork. The man who owns all the beef does not like this because he is losing business so he tells the people that if they eat pork they will go to hell and suffer for eternity. The people believe him because he is a rich man who has been giving them beef for a very long time. Thus a religious custom is created. And most likely this goes for every religious custom.

Edited by mogarth123, 11 December 2007 - 03:37 AM.

I believe in god but not like most people think of him/her/it . I think that he didn't create everything but that he was created with the universe to guide everybody through our lives. I think he's more like a mentor. I want to add something, most people think that religion and science can't work together. Well I consider myself a scientific person but I am fascinated about and believe in religion. I'm even trying to read the old testament.

On a side note: If atheists are right and there :shudder: is no God, they won't be able to prove it , there would be no afterlife for them to brag about their proof, and when they die find out that they were wrong, that there is a God, I don't think I would want to be in their shoes.

On this note, not believing in a God means that:You can't blame oneYou can't rely on oneYou can't use one as an excuseYou won't have a selfish reason for doing good thingsI'll say that people who don't believe in God would have a much better chance of getting into Heaven (evil skeptical doomdays helllord not withstanding). Not that the genuinely good believers wouldn't stand a very good chance though.

There is no Satan. There is no god. Period. Religion is a method of controlling people and forcing them to do your bidding. For example in a few religions it is forbidden to eat pork. Heres a sinereo. In a region there is a very rich man who rules the beef industry. One day another rich man comes in and starts to sell his pork. The man who owns all the beef does not like this because he is losing business so he tells the people that if they eat pork they will go to hell and suffer for eternity. The people believe him because he is a rich man who has been giving them beef for a very long time. Thus a religious custom is created. And most likely this goes for every religious custom.

I mean one of the first problems with this line of thinking is the historical factualness of it. Your post goes against what is considered the origin of religion, which was peoples need to explain the natural phenomena around them. In addition the scenario you present is entirely conjectured, and is not, I think, very representative of religion.While I will admit, of course, that many religious organizations have committed many suspicious acts to say the least, I am not sure how representative that is of religion itself. I think there is a fundamental difference between Religion and Religion as an Organization or Government.

once upo a time there was an atheist walking through a forest, suddenly a bear comes out of nowhere and chases the atheist. the atheist trips and falls and as the bear is about to get him he yells "oh my god" <--- there is a brilliant flash and god appears, "all these years you haven't believed in me and yet you call out my name in need". the atheist replies "im not christian but i was hoping that you could make the bear one" --> another flash and the atheist is face to face with the bear and the bear bows its head and says "lord bless this meal that i am about to recieve".its a funny joke but realize this one supernatural being that has been here sense the beginning of time is just as believeable as the giant explosion that created evrything out of nothingalso the reason gods could have been invented is cause it gives people reasons to live out thire lives even if they seem pointless.

Edited by Skysplitter, 12 December 2007 - 02:42 AM.

once upo a time there was an atheist walking through a forest, suddenly a bear comes out of nowhere and chases the atheist. the atheist trips and falls and as the bear is about to get him he yells "oh my god" <--- there is a brilliant flash and god appears, "all these years you haven't believed in me and yet you call out my name in need". the atheist replies "im not christian but i was hoping that you could make the bear one" --> another flash and the atheist is face to face with the bear and the bear bows its head and says "lord bless this meal that i am about to recieve".its a funny joke but realize this one supernatural being that has been here sense the beginning of time is just as believeable as the giant explosion that created evrything out of nothingalso the reason gods could have been invented is cause it gives people reasons to live out thire lives even if they seem pointless.

An explosion making the universe out of nothing is as unbelievable, yes. So why do we keep saying it? Without involving science, it's a matter of reason. There's no reason to believe there was a god, or a divine spirit, or a World Tree, or a giant turtle that created the world. There's nothing here on Earth right now to suggest that there was. But since things exist, something obviously had to create it. We don't know what did. Thus we're invoking the most basic theory, which is it happening for no reason. If there was any evidence, any, that a God created the universe we would change that.Think of a really unlikely event. Say you have a 157864.1567486*10^154866 chance of getting a 15674848*10^1657987 chance of winning a pair of fuzzy dice which will appear on the ground in front of you. (nice, isn't it?). If a car materializes in front of you, that's something that really shouldn't have happened, there was no reason for it to happen. But there's no reason to believe that it was a god that did it, there's no reason to believe aliens teleported it. We just have to think that it happened because we did. If the alien teleported to you a minute later saying 'oops' then we would change our minds.If we stick to the 'because it did' theory we could still make sense of most of our world through observation. If we don't, well, I don't see that happening.

You can't blame oneYes, because people are apt to blame God before each other.You can't rely on oneI don't know anyone who relies on the goodwill of any deity to survive.You can't use one as an excuseEven religious people don't buy those excuses nowadays. You won't have a selfish reason for doing good things...That's just total crap. If you haven't discovered that by the time you have finished reading this, I will submit my proof.

There are more options than these two views. This thread seems to be talking about only Christians and atheists, there are quite a few more options. Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, and Islam come to mind. While you may not know a lot about these religions, just keep in mind that there is more than just the clear-cut God/no God debate.Personally, I'm agnostic. There are points for both sides that are contradictory or unexplainable. Since there's no proof either way, I'm just going to live without worrying about his existence either way.

On this note, not believing in a God means that:You can't blame oneYou can't rely on oneYou can't use one as an excuseYou won't have a selfish reason for doing good thingsI'll say that people who don't believe in God would have a much better chance of getting into Heaven (evil skeptical doomdays helllord not withstanding). Not that the genuinely good believers wouldn't stand a very good chance though.

how can you possibly sure on what you are talking about? do you really think that you can't blame anyone? then what if there is a tragic happens to you that cannot be avoided like for example a turtore death. a mean of turtore death is that you can't find/seek the 'death' you wanted to have its because of the pain you've felt in every second way. now would you not blame the "authority" of that thingy? can you rely on your own for that?anyways this is just an example. no big deal.

Edited by MyNameIsXander, 17 December 2007 - 03:52 PM.

gods gotta be real, yeah the big bang may have happened and allbut how did that get there?and are you trying to tell me that the big bang occured, and the earth was a big piece of lava, but then suddenly outta nowhere, organisms and life and water appeared?

gods gotta be real, yeah the big bang may have happened and allbut how did that get there?

"How did the first thing begin?" is a question we'll probably never know the answer to, but why should we assume that it was the result of a magical sky daddy's whim? Why couldn't it have been something that we just don't know of? Besides, if God was supposedly always there, then why couldn't the same be said of other things or other Gods?

I don't really ask about God, but rather the religion the builds around the idea of the God. In my opinion, i see a religion as a way of life, how people should live their life, a set of rules or ethics that people follow to live rich and fulflling lives. In addition it is through these ethics that we achieve something that benefits ourselves in the afterlife. Take buddhism for example, they're believe in nirvana in which one achieves enlightnment by reaching the mid way. To achieve this they meditate as well as follow a set of ethics that they must follow them selves. Christians obey the ten commandments in which they must follow if they wish to enter heaven.though it may seem i'm going off topic about whether God is real or not, it's important to ask ourselves what is God? or rather how does a God exist?

"How did the first thing begin?" is a question we'll probably never know the answer to, but why should we assume that it was the result of a magical sky daddy's whim? Why couldn't it have been something that we just don't know of? Besides, if God was supposedly always there, then why couldn't the same be said of other things or other Gods?

Why? its because of the roomings of fakes belief that was made by a man and stuff.... The Creator who made us was giving us the freewill to choose on whatever you believe in or not, it was his obligate at that time for us to know him but what happen? we humans are still blind even thou science can't fully grasp the big bang stuff but still many believe of that thingy. why? isnt it the reason to disregard the existence of a God. sheesh! you are more on dellusional than a believer of God.

Alright, so I'm not trying to be cute here or anything, but I'm really having troubling understanding what you're saying, exactly.I suppose many believe in the Big Bang theory because it makes the most sense to them. Again, I'm really not sure what you're saying, so could you explain why you think I'm delusional clearly?

I feel that god is just a figment of our imaginations. Much like Santa for a child, God is nothing more than a fall back crutch for those who need stability in there life... A window washer falls 40 stories and lives. God saved him he spared him his life. The man gets better and sews his company for 11 mill. Why did god spare his life? Why not JFK"S or innocent babies that get thrown in dumpsters each year? Well if you ask a holy roller he will tell you that it's all part of gods plan for us. (AKA I DON'T KNOW?) The bible is on of the most Contradicting books in the world, and if you think about it really. The body is ran much like a electrical system. So intern when you die you cease to be. NOTHING! Well how do explane gost you might be asking yourself. Simple a parallel universe if you will. Not all people can see them because not all have the gift. But the ones the people that have the gift can see, also have the gift. perhaps there is a world among our world perhaps there is many. Who knows really.

yea, i do.life (for.. everything) has evolved at some point or another, what's stopping some random bacteria turning us into humans?and how come whales can't breathe underwater? fish can breathe underwater perfectly fine, but whales. they had like 5 billion years, but they still can't breathe like other fish can.can god make a rock he can't lift?

yes there is a god but not everything the bible said is true. after the pagans 'edited' the catholics started.no one can live in a whale either.

umm, if god didn't exist, what caused the big bang?

I could easily turn that around and ask you what created God, but you couldn't answer that, just like I couldn't answer your question because no one knows what created the first thing. We probably never will know, either.

so your saying that we all evolved from a tiny microscopic organism instead of being created by a God who knows how He wants everybody to look, and to sound. even with trillions of years we couldnt only have on kind of human. we then should have people with different colored stripes and spots, not to mention people with extra limbs that evolution should have given us by now. I dont know, just look at life around you and tell me there is absolutely no design in everything. even if you cant say that you dont believe that there is a God, please dont tell me that your best answer is evolution. if that was the case I probibly wouldnt have to tell my dog to stop urinating on my bed. well i've at least stated my opinion.

so your saying that we all evolved from a tiny microscopic organism instead of being created by a God who knows how He wants everybody to look, and to sound. even with trillions of years we couldnt only have on kind of human. we then should have people with different colored stripes and spots, not to mention people with extra limbs that evolution should have given us by now. I dont know, just look at life around you and tell me there is absolutely no design in everything. even if you cant say that you dont believe that there is a God, please dont tell me that your best answer is evolution. if that was the case I probibly wouldnt have to tell my dog to stop urinating on my bed. well i've at least stated my opinion.

This isn't an argument for or against evolution; there's already a topic for that. If God created us, he sure is an underachiever. The human body isn't that great, you know. In fact, it's rather weak and susceptible to a myriad of diseases and whatnot. Not a very good design, if you ask me.

I know this is not about evolution. I'm just saying dont say "there is no Go d, THERE IS NO GOD, I BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION" because that is the most anoying thing on the world. and trust me. your life has design. you just try not to see it.

your life has design. you just try not to see it.

I don't look for things that don't seem to have been designed. I just think it's obvious that if someone actually did design everything, they did a terrible job, and I can't understand why they'd make it so bad, considering how all-powerful and all-knowing they're supposed to be.

Their isn't a scientific way to proof god exist, you got to look at it in a different perspective.I do believe in a god, no matter how illogical that seems.

I don't believe in a god, I think humans made it up to explain things we don't understand.However, I respect many religious people whose religions inspired them to do something good. Whether god is real or not, he motivates the religious to do good things. or they motivate themselves... whatever."could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?" - Homer Simpson