Exactly. There would be no reasons for the government to bomb its own property.
9/11 conspiracies
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Posted 09 April 2008 - 03:57 AM
unless you want to scare citizens into submission.I'm not saying it happened just that some people are capable of terrible things.Exactly. There would be no reasons for the government to bomb its own property.
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Posted 11 April 2008 - 05:20 PM
This government conspiracy theory crap raises far too many questions. I see many people saying that 9/11 was a conspiracy but it doesn't make much sense as to why.I still want all my questions answered. Somebody please answer my questions.
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Posted 12 April 2008 - 11:38 PM
I'd like to think it was terrorists, but there are a couple things that don't add up. The way the building fell was not the way it should have fallen if the true catalyst were the plane crashes. Also, why did survivors from inside the building say that they heard a loud explosion, and the lobby looked like a bomb had gone off BEFORE the plane crashed?
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 12:16 AM
I think it's fairly acceptable that such conspiracies as this came into being. This was a sort of a "Wake up call" for America. You know, Americans think "Wow! The world has changed!", yet the others go "It hasn't changed much. It's just you were forced to pay attention."Another nation live in the fear of being attacked all the time. Same for America, no wonder people react incorrectly and blame the goverment. Though I do not think that the goverment is entirely blameless, it shoudl have been able to forsee something like this.
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 04:58 AM
All i have to say is that there are plenty of good reasons for the U.S. government to attack it's own people and to find out why go to www.zeitgeistmovie.com
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 05:00 AM
can we stop throwing around badly made movies with inaccurate information as a source of information as to why the goverment would attack itself?
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 05:45 AM
that Zeitgeist movie has been disproven a while ago. I do not think any goverment will attack itself in such a way; at least I hope not. Though America has an obsession with Oil, I do not think it would destroy itself to get it.All i have to say is that there are plenty of good reasons for the U.S. government to attack it's own people and to find out why go to www.zeitgeistmovie.com
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 06:03 AM
Other countries have attacked themselves in the past right?
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 06:10 AM
Yeah I know, but those were with dictators that are evil........ 
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 06:27 AM
And that's just it it's happened in goverments before so it's not like it's impossible that america could do it as well
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 12:34 PM
The "lose change" documentary is quite appalling for skeptical people, though I believe it's just flashy light tricks. I don't think the terrorists would claim responsibility when it would make their "enemies" look much more worse and further prove their points
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 11:54 PM
Other countries have attacked themselves in the past right?Yes, thousands of times.Let me list the first ten that come to mind:1. Syria, Hāma, 19832. China, Beijing, 19893. Iran, Western Front, 19884. Saudi Arabia, Mecca, 1979*5. Soviet Union, Too many places to count, too often to count6. Algeria, Algiers, 19927. Lebanon, Beirut, 1975, 1983, and more...*8. Iraq, Baghdad and major urban areas, 1991-29. Iraq, Iraqi Kurdistan, 1986-8*10. Jordan, Black September, 197011. Vietnam, ARVN, 1975-8012. Cambodia, nation-wide, 1975-8013. Afghanistan, nation-wide, 1980-present*14. Roman Empire, Egypt, Coptic Persecution**Not commonly accepted as a nation-state declaring war on itself.Well, I got nine. Do you want terrorist attacks or civil wars?Either way: 1. Syria - Suppression of the use of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood by extreme force, taking several weeks of siege and urban fighting in the city of Hama, with estimates of 10,000 - 15,000 civilians dead.2. China - Suppression of pro-democratic movements by students, lasting days, estimates of 400-1,000 dead.3. Iran - Execution of pro-communist/pro-Iraqi (mostly MEK) prisoners, lasting days, estimates of 5,000 dead.4. Saudi Arabia - Suppression of Islamic Extremist forces in Mecca (al-Masjid al-Haram, the holy mosque) thanks to help from French special forces, roughly 300 extremists killed/executed, lasting over ~two weeks.5. Soviet Union - Anywhere between ten and fifteen million executed for political reasons (most by Stalin), over a million also dead in the civil war.6. Algeria - Cancellation of Islamic-party-won elections by the Algerian government/military, leading to ten-year long civil war. Over 150,000 dead over this war.7. Lebanon* - A nation built on sectarian fault-lines finally falls into the earthquake. massacres such as Black Saturday, Sabra and Chatilla, the War of the Camps, and more become common. Over 100,000 dead over a fifteen year civil war.8. Iraq- Military defeat and American assistance to rebels in both the North and South of the country, lead to a crackdown by the Ba'athist government. Estimates still unknown.9. Iraq* - Operation al-Anfal (the Spoils), carried out by "Chemical" Ali Hassan al-Masjid, spearheads the general genocide attempt against Iraqi Kurds. Roughly 50,000 - 100,000 dead.10. Jordan* - Jordanian crackdown on Palestinian refugee camps, after the PLO makes one too many attempts to set up a shadow state there. 5,000 + Palestinians killed and hundreds of thousands forced to flee (mostly to Lebanon), important in a nation that today still only has a population of six million. Lasted two months.11. Vietnam- Communist crackdown on the 1.1 million members of the former South Vietnamese military. Over one in three were sent to 're-education' camps; of those 400,000+ interned men and women, a further third of them died.12. Cambodia - Communist takeover leads to what can only be called "massive failure", with the Khmer Rouge attempting to wipe out the collective brain of Cambodia (and every other organ...). Two million die before Vietnam gets pissed enough about Cambodian border intrusions to invade.13. Afghanistan- The clear Soviet military-backing of a corrupt and puppet government, coupled with American and Pakistani weapons streaming into Afghanistan, leads to civil war, which has yet to fully end.14. Egypt - Roman persecution of the Coptic church leads to the death of roughly 144,000 of its members. Hell if I know the exact time place when that happened...Now, to add the fifteenth one, 9/11, if (and it didn't) the government planned it.15.(United States of) America, New York City, Washington, 2001- Over three-thousand dead in less than two hours, as radical Islamist terrorists attack key American symbols of power....Anyone see a difference between this, Hāma, Tienanmen, or the other short-lived attacks on domestic soil?First of all, no motive. We're not talking about attacking people considered threats by the state; we're talking about three-thousand Americans who (likely) posses no threat to the state, and moreover, we're talking about the financial prosperity of an entire country. Why would you want to kill this many people, exactly?Oh, and to the inevitable person who says "So we could invade Iraq":You're saying that the Government would be willing (or even able) to keep tens of thousands of CIA officials, firefighters, policemen, and even random survivors from 9/11, silent about if explosives were used? Not to mention rigging the countless investigations into 9/11. And al-Qaeda? Did the government manage to materialize them out of thin air, in spite of everyone from VEVAK (Iranian equivalent of the CIA) to Saudi Arabia to Hezbollah keeping records recognizing their existence? Are we so infiltrated in both the Iranian and Hezbollah leadership that we can plant such records at will (hint: We aren't)? Normally I would like the destruction of terrorists before negotiation, but with an estimated quarter of Americans thinking the government planned 9/11 (which I think is an inaccurate but still disturbing statistic) I would love to have a major news network (which would likely be al-Jazeera) bring in a truther and an al-Qaeda leader and have them debate if it happened.And all this, so we can invade a small, third-world country with a military that could hardly prop itself up? Honestly, just blocking the press out totally and decimating the entire country (or even only occupying the oil-rich areas, and allowing regional-powers to fight over (and alongside) the general populace (which of course would totally screw over our close relations with Saudi Arabia and possibly Jordan, and cause even more problems with our relationship with Iran and likely Syria)) seems much easier.To the even more dull person who says "So we could invade Afghanistan":Why the **** would anyone want to invade Afghanistan nowadays? Is it their opium (which is irrelevant, because us in the States live off Columbian cocaine before anything else), their constant ethnic strife, or is it their total tribalism? ...Again, who the **** would want to invade Afghanistan, particularly if it hasn't done anything important enough to piss you off in any way?
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 03:14 AM
This is for M1551n9n0:So if 9/11 really WAS an inside job...1. Where did the government get all the money to fund a project like this? A plot as big as 9/11 has to cost HUGE amounts of money. And with our debt around 7 trillion (I think it was that much around that time) dollars, where do they get the money? Taxes may be a possibility though. Are you actually aware of how much money the government gets a year??? Plus, with the answer to number 2, if you do save all that money for some years, you could pull off a project like that because you would have loads of money.2. Where did the government find the time to plan out and execute these attacks? Attacks on a scale like this usually take years of planning and perfecting. Planning for the 9/11 terrorist attacks actually started in the late 90s. It was part of a plan to make the us the dominate superpower in the world, but in order to do so, needed a catalyzing and cataclysmic event similar to Pearl Harbor in size, so that is how 9/11 was born.3. Did Clinton or Bush Sr. plan the attacks? I doubt Bush could've planned the attacks simply because he wasn't in office long enough to even come up with an attack this elaborate. Actually, it was a whole mass of government officials, not one person in particular.4. What about Al Quaeda? This organization admitted to causing the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the first WTC bombing. What's your point, just because you say you did something, doesn;t mean that you actually did it. I could say that I did it, but it doens't really mean anything. Plus, the Osama Bin Laden vidoes are fake.5. What about the Madrid train bombings or the London bus bombings? Could the government of the UK and Spain plan these attacks? Did the US have a hand in these attacks? Are the world governments just one big conspiracy? Honestly, i don' know...6. What about actors used to play the part in the plane crashes? If there was no plane, what about the phone calls? Were the phone calls staged? First: ACTORS - not real peopleSecond: Cell Phone technology in the late 00's were not that great, you couldn't get a signal above 2000'. And if you actually listen to the calls, the people use their full names on the phone. If you were talking to your mom/wife/brother etc. would you use your full name when talking to them?? You would think that they would know its you just by the way they talk. It WAS staged, they made the people use their full names on the calls so no one (smart) would be able to suspect that it was recorded.7. The different aircraft that turned up missing on the radar? Why did the aircraft come up missing on the radar? Turned off their tracking system.8. What about the plane crash in Pennsylvania? What happened aboard that plane to cause it to crash? Also there were many phone calls coming from those planes describing what looked to be terrorists. Were all those people actors? Did they stage the plane crashing into a field? Was a plane really involved? First: NO PLANE CRASH IN PA. There is no evidence to supprot it, where is the plane??? There is just a hole.Second: The Phone Calls, see above.9. If this was a conspiracy, why isn't the government stepping up to keep it quiet? It's almost as if the government has nothing to hide. Oh, but they do. When the "plane" crashed into the pentagon, government officials confiscated survalience tapes from the pentagon security cameras, the Sheraton Hotel nearby, and a local gas station. Then, they released 5 frames of something (supposed to be a plane) hitting the pentagon, although you could not see a plane in any of those frames.10. And lastly... Why would the government attack itself in the first place? It sounds like a terrible idea from the start. Read 2*And for all the people asking why they chose to his "the most beloved biuldings in the US", here's why:As read in 2, they created a plan to become the major superpower in the world. The reason why they cohse to hit the twin towers is because:1) They were not really beloved - people actually hated those biuldings because it brought down the qualtiy of the NY skyline; They were just two big boxes sticking out of the ground. There was a joke circulating throughout NY in the 80s and 90s saying that the Twin Towers were the boxes that the Empire State and the Chrysler Biulding were shipped in.2)Not really cared for/known of - the government felt that the WTC was not well known. If you ask people on the west coast what is the world trade center is, not many poeple could be able to answer that wuestion, until 9/11, however is you ask them what is the Chrysler Biulding, or the Empire State Building is, they would tell you.
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 04:56 AM
Plus, the Osama Bin Laden vidoes are fake.Once again, And al-Qaeda? Did the government manage to materialize them out of thin air, in spite of everyone from VEVAK (Iranian equivalent of the CIA) to Saudi Arabia to Hezbollah keeping records recognizing their existence? Are we so infiltrated in both the Iranian and Hezbollah leadership that we can plant such records at will (hint: We aren't)? Normally I would like the destruction of terrorists before negotiation, but with an estimated quarter of Americans thinking the government planned 9/11 (which I think is an inaccurate but still disturbing statistic) I would love to have a major news network (which would likely be al-Jazeera) bring in a truther and an al-Qaeda leader and have them debate if it happened.So, once again, how do you fake the existence of Osama bin Ladin when everyone from your closest friends to your worst enemies to everywhere in between in some way keep records proving his existence?Answer that without going "But they're fake!" and I will respond to the remainder of your points.And once again, why would the government attack its own soil? I've listed over ten other self-inflicted attacks on populance, and all were very different than any potential governmental attack on its own soil.Then, they released 5 frames of something (supposed to be a plane) hitting the pentagon, although you could not see a plane in any of those frames.Ah! Nelson Mandela is sucking my brain with a straw from Pluto. And I have film to prove it, too.See, I can pull 'facts' straight out my a** too.
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 04:58 AM
WHY WOULD THE US KILL MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE?Damn conspiracists.
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 08:13 PM
^Thousands, not millions. But yes, it is idiotic to suggest that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Related:Al-Qaida No. 2 says 9/11 theory propagated by Iran
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 08:38 PM
To scare the shite out of you.POINTS were deducted for this post by Hyou_FushichiouPlease refer to the forum rules to find out why your points were deducted.WHY WOULD THE US KILL MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE?Damn conspiracists.
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 12:15 AM
I don't know if this has been brought up, but what about the latest from al-Qaeda's No. 2 blaming Iran for 9/11?I'm new here.
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 05:43 AM
It doesn't blame Iran for 9/11, it just yells at it for blaming Israel for 9/11.Which at least a sizable part of the Iranian government does (i.e. Revolutionary Guard), although the rest (i.e. VEVAK) generally is neutral on the subject (on one hand, they hate Israel as well, on the other, they see too much proof that it was al-Qaeda, which they are no friend of either)....Either way, Iran is living proof that 9/11 was not a government conspiracy.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 06:16 PM
In fact 9/11 could have been staged besuase look at UFOS (IE: Rosswell cover up). the goverment dose have power, but this idea is very flawed see history channle show 9/11 Conspiracies Episode: Fact or Fiction. The idea that the gorvenment would kill it own people is so out landush. The idea that people come up with regarudeing 9/11 is laugable( Ie: tower seven demlition, negletgen personal was cover up, the pentgon was not hit not by the bogien 757( filght 77), filght 93 was shot down by US fighter jets, planes were controled by computers, no palnes theiores, the cell phones were forged. ) they belive this is what happend think hah! when i her it )
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:38 PM
i totally think that the conspiracies are true...no one at school believe me =/
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 10:13 AM
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Posted 28 April 2008 - 05:01 PM
there's too many questions for me to believe the official story. the fact they keep changing that story doesn't help.i love it when people say that the government couldnt have done it because they wouldnt kill all the people in the towers. why the hell not? we're all jsut numbers and stats and mouths to be fed and consumers to buy. whats a couple thousand for the greater good to keep oil cheap and business booming.it's ridiculous as well that the towers fell at all, let alone in such a blatantlt controlled demoliton way, the first building ever to collapse from fire alone...
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Posted 29 April 2008 - 12:34 AM
Sometimes, I question the point of this...And al-Qaeda? Did the government manage to materialize them out of thin air, in spite of everyone from VEVAK (Iranian equivalent of the CIA) to Saudi Arabia to Hezbollah keeping records recognizing their existence? Are we so infiltrated in both the Iranian and Hezbollah leadership that we can plant such records at will (hint: We aren't)? Normally I would like the destruction of terrorists before negotiation, but with an estimated quarter of Americans thinking the government planned 9/11 (which I think is an inaccurate but still disturbing statistic) I would love to have a major news network (which would likely be al-Jazeera) bring in a truther and an al-Qaeda leader and have them debate if it happened.So, once again, how do you fake the existence of Osama bin Ladin when everyone from your closest friends to your worst enemies to everywhere in between in some way keep records proving his existence?Answer that without going "But they're fake!" and I will respond to the remainder of your points.And once again, why would the government attack its own soil? I've listed over ten other self-inflicted attacks on populance, and all were very different than any potential governmental attack on its own soil.
