That's your belief. If you believe that it isn't a live human being, then so be it. But I do believe it is a living human being, I'm just not forcing my opinion on you, the way you are on me. However, I would like to point out a contradiction in your post. You said that a woman decides to get rid of the organism while it is in the embryonic stage. The word organism means living being, so basically you just said to me that a living being shouldn't have rights because it isn't alive. You just contradicted yourself, buddy.And for the woman that decides to get rid of the organism when it's still in the embryonic stage of development?It doesn't have rights because it isn't alive, it is a potential for life. Up until the 10 week mark at least. Until there is ability to survive on it's own, it's just as part of the woman's body as anything else. You can look at it anyway you like though; it probably feels wrong because of it's potential to become a breathing human being just like the rest of us.
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Posted 07 February 2008 - 06:55 PM
No, God didn't put us here to suffer. Read Genesis. When He created the universe, He said it, "was good." So that must have ment that it was absolutely good. Everything He created was good. And it still is. What we (and satan) has done to it has made it bad. Don't blame God for something He didn't do.As for teenagers... just because physically they're capable of of reproducing (lol) doesn't mean they should and it doesn't mean they're mentally capable of it either. Some parents have kids and aren't ready for them either.Other than that... too many expections...UMSLI really love being both pro-life and pro-choice at the same time because I can see both sides of the issue much easier than most. I feel more towards abortion though because so many things can happen to the baby that might cause problems later in life during the pregnancy. I have a few questions that I need answered though....1. Did God put humans on Earth to suffer? Should the mother have a right to decide whether to have an abortion if her life of the life of her baby is at stake?2. What about teen mothers? Should teenagers be responsible for a real live human being that cannot take care of itself?3. How about mothers that cannot take care of their children financially or mentally?
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Posted 07 February 2008 - 07:27 PM
What if you do use a condom and it breaks or has a small hole you dont notice in it until your done performing the deed? (granted however there is a morning after pill, but that could also be considered an abortion by some)and @ anima9 when you said "against it. u got raped. live with it and give it to some orphanage. it would cost money, but its cheap for the price of life." all i have to say is.... the f*** is wrong with you >.> i mean really, if YOU were a woman (dont know if you are or not) and YOU were rapped, would YOU want to carry around a constant reminder that you got rapped for 9 months? you did not want that sex, you did not want or plan that child, and if you didnt want or plan a child in the near future chances are you also do not have the means to care for that child. thats just a cold statement dude... really.As for me personaly, i think abortions are ok for certain things, such as rape, or a chance the mother could die durring delivery. I'm confused about the orphanage concept because (at least in america) orphanage's are pretty crowded as it is, and i dont think thats a life i would want to live myself... so idk where i stand on that.i am TOTALLY agains abortion!!! if u dont want a baby then there is lots of contraceptions out there!! USE THEM!!! im pregnant with my 2nd child now and my daughter is the best thing to every happen to me. the only way i would agree with an abortion is if the mother could die giving birth or if the mother was raped and thats how it was concieved! abortions should be banned and only allowed with any of these reasons. there are others ways to go if u dont want a baby, u could give it up for adoption, maybe help some poor woman that cant have any children! it is murder no matter how many wks pregnant u are!! though i have really strong feelings about this, i would not judge any1 who had 1. everyone has there own oppinions, and there own reasons.
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 05:15 AM
Touchy subject much! Personally, I am not against abortion for the right reasons. I do not by any means believe that it should be used as a method of birthcontrol. What many young girls don't realize is that abortions are serious operations. They are unsafe and come with many risks, just like any other surgery. Information about abortions is very misleading nowadays because it's hard to find an unbiased source. Because of this, lots of young women are walking around with a false idea of what abortion really is. Unfortunately, unbiased information may not even be obtained from a doctor because of the doctor's personal views on the subject. Abortion is not a substitute for a condom or the pill. If a woman (or man, because I believe that it is a shared responsibility) really does not want to have a child, they should do their best to obtain proper birth control. I think that a lot of teenagers shy away from proper birth control because of a lot of the myths that at attached to it. For example, lots of girls believe they will gain weight on the pill. While this may be true for some, there is no evidence to support the theory. As well, someone may choose to not use birthcontrol because of religious reasons. If that is the case, I can only suggest abstinence.I definitely believe that rape victims should have the right to an abortion. A lot of people who haven't experienced rape do not realize that is one of the worst, most humiliating, degrading, and disgusting experiences a woman can go through. A child from the rapist is a reminder of the emotional and physical pain attached to the rape. I don't believe that any woman wants to relive those moments in the eyes of her child.As for the life at conception arguement, I can't really pick a side. While my views are based more from a scientific point of view, I don't believe life "starts" at a certain point in fetal development. To me, life is neverending, and thus, never really beginning either. Every tiny cell is a living organism, we just choose to prioritize the rights of a HUMAN cell over that of any other creature. One thing that really bothers me, if when parents are teaching their child wrong information about a fetus. People argue that abortion is "killing babies" and thus we all (especially children) have this picture in our mind of a man with a mixer and a tiny baby. The reality is, babies don't look like babies for a long time. In fact, throughout week 1 to about week 7, the fetus looks like nothing more than an alien whale. If children were shown actual pictures of embryos, they may not have the misconception that the fetus looks exactly like a 5 month old child. However, I honestly don't believe that a child should be taught about abortion at such a young age as I have seen (such as in Jesus Camp, which by the way, is a very good, and particularily scary documentary).
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 04:16 PM
i guess tis is a matter of opinion...abortion is kinder perhaps if u found d child is of mental or physical difficulty....think about how he/she feels when grown up handicapped DX
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But what about mothers who have the possibility of dying in childbirth? What if the child is born with a defect? What if the mother had a disease that would be passed down to her child? Do you think she has the right to choose? So do you support teen mothers having pregnancy?My third question hasn't been answered... I'll leave that open. Thanks.As for the theory that states that life begins at conception, that technically IS true because the embryo technically IS a group of cells, which scientiffically are living creatures. So even though the embryo isn't "human" it IS a living thing.No, God didn't put us here to suffer. Read Genesis. When He created the universe, He said it, "was good." So that must have ment that it was absolutely good. Everything He created was good. And it still is. What we (and satan) has done to it has made it bad. Don't blame God for something He didn't do.As for teenagers... just because physically they're capable of of reproducing (lol) doesn't mean they should and it doesn't mean they're mentally capable of it either. Some parents have kids and aren't ready for them either.Other than that... too many expections...UMSL
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i'm against abortion...i think we do not have the right to kill innocent babies...its like murdering people..
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I find this argument hilarious. Women use this all the time. "Well, you're a man, you couldn't understnad." Alright, I'm a man. I'll never understand. In fact, I'm also the worst human being on the face of the planet. In fact, I just killed three hundred babies and blew up a nuclear weapon in Hong Kong. But, does that change what I said one bit? If the same words came from the mouth of a woman, would they be any different? No, of course not. If the words are true, then it doesn't matter who says them. Never let an ad hominem attack ruin a good argument.Well, for my two cents, abortion is only ever right when both lives cannot be saved. To my knowledge, there is only one case in which this is medically known to happen: ectopic pregnancies. If both lives can exist, then both lives should exist. Now, why do I consider it to be a life, and not some random cells? Well, I'd tell you, but it's 2:30 AM here, and I want to sleep. So I'll tell you tomorrow. Good night.Males like myself shouldn't even be allowed to have a say in the matter; they don't and cannot understand what bringing a child to term feels like.
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Posted 11 February 2008 - 03:14 AM
Choose if you want to but I'm not pro choice!
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Posted 11 February 2008 - 06:31 PM
@bleedingonionHow do you know that the girl didn't want to have a baby. Don't presume.
) so they sliced her open. Yummy eh? Most diseases can't be shown to acutally pass to they child through birth. And what kind of diseases are you talking about? Stop rambling on about stuff that has no revelence or little in child birth. Most diseases don't show until their older, and by then, well, everyone you see know adays has some sort of disease. Should they have been aborted to minimize their pain or stop the spread? C'mon man, jeez!I don't approve of teen pregnancy. But I've had three friends that have been pregnant... maybe more. Did I comdemn them? No, I loved them as I did before the got pregnant and I supported them. I didn't leave them just because of some mistake. I encouraged them and let them know I was there to support them. Does that mean I approved. No, I couldn't change the fact they were pregnant. @third question:So, you're saying that women in Africa and such shouldn't have children? They can't support them. Or barely support them anyway. And I don't know anyone really who can mentally take care of their children. All children will have something done to them whether by their parents or someone else in their life, that will that will cause them to receed and close up on themselves. Or they will be so forward in their life it will hurt others.UMSL
You won't know if the child is born with a defect until it's actually born. Don't read into all this tech about predicting births because most are bogus. There are ways of saving a mother if she can't have the baby naturally, it's called cesarian (sp). I was born that way. Mom couldn't have me naturally because I was too big (lol, 8 lbs 3 ozBut what about mothers who have the possibility of dying in childbirth? What if the child is born with a defect? What if the mother had a disease that would be passed down to her child? Do you think she has the right to choose? So do you support teen mothers having pregnancy?My third question hasn't been answered... I'll leave that open. Thanks.As for the theory that states that life begins at conception, that technically IS true because the embryo technically IS a group of cells, which scientiffically are living creatures. So even though the embryo isn't "human" it IS a living thing.
) so they sliced her open. Yummy eh? Most diseases can't be shown to acutally pass to they child through birth. And what kind of diseases are you talking about? Stop rambling on about stuff that has no revelence or little in child birth. Most diseases don't show until their older, and by then, well, everyone you see know adays has some sort of disease. Should they have been aborted to minimize their pain or stop the spread? C'mon man, jeez!I don't approve of teen pregnancy. But I've had three friends that have been pregnant... maybe more. Did I comdemn them? No, I loved them as I did before the got pregnant and I supported them. I didn't leave them just because of some mistake. I encouraged them and let them know I was there to support them. Does that mean I approved. No, I couldn't change the fact they were pregnant. @third question:So, you're saying that women in Africa and such shouldn't have children? They can't support them. Or barely support them anyway. And I don't know anyone really who can mentally take care of their children. All children will have something done to them whether by their parents or someone else in their life, that will that will cause them to receed and close up on themselves. Or they will be so forward in their life it will hurt others.UMSL
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Posted 11 February 2008 - 08:50 PM
Women should not kill innnocent infants...If they aren't able to take care of them, they can have some sort of hospital or orphanage take care of them instead.Abortion is so saddening... =[
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Posted 11 February 2008 - 10:45 PM
No one is "pro-abortion." Pro-life is a misnomer. It should be pro-choice and anti-choice. Even pro-choicers like me don't like abortion. It's never going to be a fun idea to have to terminate a pregnancy like that. I just don't believe it should be the right of the government to legislate the choices a woman makes about her body. People don't get abortions as a method of birth control. They get abortions when their birth control has failed and it would destroy their life to have a child, or when they know the child's life would be a living hell. Many people choose to terminate a pregnancy when pre-natal tests determine that the child will have a terminal congenital condition and they don't want the child to suffer the way it would have to.Point is, there are a lot of reasons people choose to terminate a pregnancy, and I'm pro-choice because I don't believe rich men in Washington should decide what women and their partners all around the country do with their bodies.
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Posted 12 February 2008 - 04:18 PM
@UMSLbecause if someone gets rapped they typicaly didnt want that child >.>same applys for a condom, if your using a condom, you probly dont want kids yet.
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Posted 12 February 2008 - 04:21 PM
Abortions are horrible... it's murder. Teens should understand the consequences to having sex. Abortions mainly happen with teens because their hormones start going crazy. They should realize that engaging in sexual intercourse might lead to an unwanted outcome.
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Posted 12 February 2008 - 04:42 PM
while i dont doubt that it is mostly teens that go through with abortions, i am curious as to if you know of a source or not for that information. personaly, while this may not be "classy" or w/e, i think once your in high school and you start dating, you should always have a condom with you somewhere, just in case. cant have an abortion if you dont get pregnant.Abortions are horrible... it's murder. Teens should understand the consequences to having sex. Abortions mainly happen with teens because their hormones start going crazy. They should realize that engaging in sexual intercourse might lead to an unwanted outcome.
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Posted 12 February 2008 - 11:14 PM
Yeah, that's true. You should always have one of those ready if you plan on engaging in sexual intercourse. Abortion is horrific none the less ._.
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Condoms are all good and whatnot, but personally, I think they contribute to the problem for two reasons. First off, they make both participants feel like if they have one, they should have sex. It almost ecnourages sex. And then there's the fact that they don't always work, the most serious diseases pass through it easily, and guys misuse it often enough to be an issue. So, those two factors combined lead to more babies than might be otherwise. I'm not saying that condoms are bad. I'm just saying that they are in no way a solution to pregnancy.
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I agree if you are carrying one around with you it means not only is the person thinking about sex it also makes a person think they are going to get sex but using one combined with birth control pills almost makes it completely impossible to get pregant the main problem however with pregancys are that the people get pregant are too stupid to take the proper caution in preventing pregancies if people would only think with their brains instead of their members abortions wouldn't be as much of an issueCondoms are all good and whatnot, but personally, I think they contribute to the problem for two reasons. First off, they make both participants feel like if they have one, they should have sex. It almost ecnourages sex. And then there's the fact that they don't always work, the most serious diseases pass through it easily, and guys misuse it often enough to be an issue. So, those two factors combined lead to more babies than might be otherwise. I'm not saying that condoms are bad. I'm just saying that they are in no way a solution to pregnancy.
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Well, it all comes down to one question: Are pregnancies the issue, or the sex in the first place? You obviously take the first view. I take the second. And when it comes to sex, no one thinks with their brains, honestly.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:26 PM
not true =o one time i was doing it and i suddenly remembered i had a project due =o (talk about bad timing to remember a project) but i see what you mean =p and i also have a comment on what you said earlier about the disease thing passing through condoms (and this is why i think no one but a certified instructor should talk about sex to students in schools) i had a socialogy teacher my senior year who was trying to convince the class that if you have a condom on while your having sex with someone who has hiv/aids you cant get it. mean while im sitting here thinking that on the microscopic level, there are holes in the condoms that allow your member to breathe and have feeling. However, while sperm and some std's are larger than these holes and thus un-able to go through them to cause disease and or pregnancy, HIV is much smaller than those holes and WILL go through them. now that is not to say that it offers some protection, you do have less of a chance of getting hiv if you use a condom, but if you have sex with someone who has hiv multiple times like you would in marraige or a stable relationship, you WILL eventualy get hiv. And about the issues being the pregnancy vs the sex in the first place, im going to have to say the problem is sex in the first place. because when most people my age lose their virginity its in high school, and MOST of the time they are no where near mature enough to make a smart decision reguarding sex. i could list hundreds of names of girls in my old school that would have a boy friend, love him to death, have sex with him, and break up in 1 month or less, and then repeat the process with a new guy. Just cause your dating someone and you think you like them doesnt mean you should have sex damn itWell, it all comes down to one question: Are pregnancies the issue, or the sex in the first place? You obviously take the first view. I take the second. And when it comes to sex, no one thinks with their brains, honestly.
i know i didnt wait till marraige or anything, but i gave it a good year going out with the same person before we had sex.Edit: corrected some spelling mistakes
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Posted 21 February 2008 - 08:36 AM
Ya, just don't have sex.... :doom:UMSLWell, it all comes down to one question: Are pregnancies the issue, or the sex in the first place? You obviously take the first view. I take the second. And when it comes to sex, no one thinks with their brains, honestly.
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Posted 22 February 2008 - 06:39 AM
Well no the correct thought is don't have sex until you want to have a family
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Posted 22 February 2008 - 10:35 PM
well there should only be abortions when need such as when that person is to young
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Posted 23 February 2008 - 03:55 AM
if a person gets an abortion because they are "too young" then they shouldnt be having sex in the first place. unless of corse they were rapped at a young age, got pregnant and physicaly could not handle delivering a child, in which case i would totaly understand an abortion.well there should only be abortions when need such as when that person is to young
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Posted 23 February 2008 - 08:46 AM
1 word. Against. i have my own private reasons
