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[Ragamuffin]

the pornography "problem" is only as serious as people let it be

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mainly the stereotype in this arguement is that mothers worry a lot over their children being peverse and whatnot....

I don't think it's so much that in itself as overprotective parents/religious zealots tend to equate porn with shooting heroin and robbing banks. As in, if that person does one morally "questionable" act, then they can only go downhill from there, which of course is a completely nonsensical argument, but a common one.

well, pornography was made for the intent of making money off of sexually-starved men and (sometimes) women.

True in a way, but not entirely. Ask any married guy (happily married or not) and whether he admits it or not, he has porn. It all goes back to men wanting to sleep with as many females as possible for procreation imo, as in we can never be satisfied with the same woman forever. Again that's just my take on why porn is so popular.

pornography shouldn't be the target if there is the arguement of "sexually unhealthy" people...rape is commited by the person when the person's lust for a person travels to the point of making the "raped" have sexual intercourse with that person, willingly or not(more likely the latter, sadly)the "pornography problem" is only as bad as the person who uses it's morals, therefore it is not the pornography, but the person who has let such "immoral" acts occur

While it is true that many sexually "deviant" people own some...strange porn, you could say the same thing about kids who shoot up schools owning a copy of Doom or Halo; if so many people own something then sooner or later somebody's going to get a stupid idea from it, and the blame cannot be placed on the product but rather the person, as you stated.

[Yuto]

there are many people that view pornography in fact every second another person buys pornography but not only that the U.S leads the other nations in pornograpic webpages, the U.S has 244,661,900 do you think that's is surprising? Do you also think that pornography is wrong me personally i find a problem with it.

Tbh. Yes it's wrong. It is after all just "Lust" which is a sin. I for one think people addicted to porn have a problem. Not something serious, but more like once they start looking for porn they can't stop, then it becomes almost a drug like behavior to them. IMO this is a topic that will be widespread. Some people will defend the right and freedom to search the web for porn, and some will agree that it's down right pathetic. I'm not one without flaws, i've found myself taking a gander online from time to time looking at said "porn" That doesn't make me any less humane, but i don't really even like to look at porn I think the urge and temptation to have sex just induces it's way in ones mind that porn is ok. The idea of porn is just sex? Wrong. Sex is just as controversial. I try to stay away from sex entirely. I really can't justify my own reasons for looking at porn, except for the fact that i'm still a virgin. I can only immagine that it's that much harder to rid sex from my mind.

True in a way, but not entirely. Ask any married guy (happily married or not) and whether he admits it or not, he has porn. It all goes back to men wanting to sleep with as many females as possible for procreation imo, as in we can never be satisfied with the same woman forever. Again that's just my take on why porn is so popular.

Agreed, but debatable ;o lol

Since i'm not completely familar with the idea of sex. I can only say that another reason people become/stay porn addicts is, because they like "sex" Well dah, but i mean they like the sexual release that it gives them male/female which i immagine is the "sin" like quality to what deprives people of. I agree about the married couples idea. Though, i'm sure it's the idea of how many women, as opposed to a different women in general.

Edited by Lightning Flash, 14 May 2012 - 08:50 AM.

[LeofromHK]

I do not think that pornography is a problem. Sex is actually a part of people's life. People have sexual desire because the chemical in our body is changing. It is actually normal. It is just like we eat when we feel hungry. We will never think that eating is a problem, right? Then what is the problem of pornography? People usually think that sex is a sin because different kinds of religion have regarded sex as sin for no reason actually. However, if there is no sex, there will be no human beings.

Some may think that pornography will affect the morality of our society. It may be true that there may be an increase in sexual assault, say, rape, in our community if pornograhy exists but this is a matter of education. A knife can be used as a weapon but it can be used as a cooking utensil as well. As long as sex is conducted under the consensus of both parties, there is no reason that we should demonize it. If there is no problem for sex, then there should be no problem for pornography.

Sex is actually normal in our life. It is not something evil. Just like eating, we will never say that eating is horrible because it is something everyone needs and desires.

[reddeath26]

It is just like we eat when we feel hungry. We will never think that eating is a problem, right?

Just like eating, we will never say that eating is horrible because it is something everyone needs and desires.

Are you seriously asserting that we never find eating problematic under any circumstances?

[LeofromHK]

Are you seriously asserting that we never find eating problematic under any circumstances?

If we concern all the circumstances that may happen, everything is problematic and it is quite meaningless to argue anything. What I mean is that sex is just something normal and we do not need to demonize it and think that it is a sin or whatsoever.

Also, discipline is the key point. Instead of banning pornography or making people opppress their desire, we should try to satisfy our need in a correct way.

[reddeath26]

If we concern all the circumstances that may happen, everything is problematic and it is quite meaningless to argue anything. What I mean is that sex is just something normal and we do not need to demonize it and think that it is a sin or whatsoever.

There is a difference between thinking that sex is a sin, and thinking that pornography is one. Much the same as there is a difference between thinking eating a dog or cat is a sin and thinking that eating is a sin. Which was the point I was trying to make. I just found the context of comparison between your example and point to be a mismatch.

For the record, I am not saying that pornography is a sin.

[LeofromHK]

It's true. however, when people have desire, they will watch pornography and it is a part of sex life even when people coping with their desire by themselves. Pornography is a part of sex. That's why my example illustrates that sex is as normal as eating and pornography is normal as well. When have needs, we satisfy them.

[reddeath26]

It's true.

What is true?

When people have desire, they will watch pornography and it is a part of sex life even when people coping with their desire by themselves.

I am not sure what it is you are trying to establish here.

Pornography is a part of sex.

Likewise eating cats, dogs or cows are a part of eating. By comparing pornography to eating, you are comparing to phenomena which exist at different levels. As I have been trying to argue, this is a disingenuous comparison. Furthermore you did it by being very fast and loose with sex and pornography. You are interchangeably substituting one for the other without coherent consistency.

That's why my example illustrates that sex is as normal as eating

The problem is that this begs the question. Eating and sex are greatly influenced by the sociocultural context within which the actors find themselves.

and pornography is normal as well.

Your example did not demonstrate this point.

When have needs, we satisfy them.

Needs are contextual.

[38542788]

The problem is that this begs the question. Eating and sex are greatly influenced by the sociocultural context within which the actors find themselves.

I don't think that really matters here, the OP implicitly defined the "problem" as being some sort of causal relationship between pornography and various forms of sexual assault. I don't know if there's been any studies done about this, but it seems pretty absurd on the face it.

As for normal, all that measures is where the behavior would fit within a population. I would think that for many populations consumption of at least some amount of pornography would fall well within 1 standard deviation. This would be where sociocultural context matters, though again it would have nothing to do with whether pornography is a problem as defined in the OP.


edit: Confused first post on this page with OP. I still remember back when there were like 100ish posts per page, this is weird. Apparently the first reply does in fact make the claim of pornography -> rape so I guess I'm not completely off base at least.

Edited by 38542788, 22 May 2012 - 05:13 PM.

[reddeath26]

I don't think that really matters here.

It is worth remembering that my exchange with that member can be seen within the context of an example they employed using eating. I did not think that their example sufficiently established the point they were trying to make. I have not asserted one way or the other whether pornography is normal. Rather I have been disputing their chosen comparison. Here are the initial assertions I found problematic.

It is just like we eat when we feel hungry. We will never think that eating is a problem, right?

Just like eating, we willnever say that eating is horrible because it is something everyone needs and desires.

[Yuto]

For the record. I am the one who says Pornography is a sin. I feel people should find sex on their own. Sex, as a whole, or the pure mined act. As far as Porn goes, that's debatable. But, in my opinion it's a disgusting way to show one what sex is about. I can't accept the fact that people in Pornography believe sex is pure. The sex you happen to come across in Pornography is almost pure lust. An instinct where your so called "ever changing chemicals" may apply. There is a million different ways of looking at sex. It only depends on how you view it. I don't believe that our uncontrollable hormones drive that sexual desire. I don't believe that there isn't a way to suppress that. In my mind, sex is everywhere. In movies, magazines, images, thoughts, radio, and even mentioned in everyday conversation. What my problem is, is the fact that everyone thinks it's natural. That might be true, but it's also being put in a bad "position" so to speak. Within Porno. The people who become addicted in Pornography, never stop being addicted. I'm not sure if those people only make porno for the money, or just for fun. I've heard some people actually have empty sex. Sex without meaning, that's what leads to sin. Lust, to be exact. That's probably also a stretch, considering i'm Agnostic/Atheist. Which means i shouldn't care what is/isn't a sin. Also, for the record. i'm going off my thoughts on how well i can control my sexual tendencies. (Since i'm a virgin ) It's a problem for me, because i want to have sex. But, at the same time i don't. Because, i can't fully comprehend what it is exactly, and why we have it. Or why we have to have it. The only reason i feel a need to have sex is maybe for reproduction. That way it's essential. I don't even want kids...

Edited by Zadkiel, 23 May 2012 - 04:25 AM.

[reddeath26]

I feel people should find sex on their own.

I find several issues with this statement. Firstly, not everyone who is viewing porn is interested in having sexual relations at that point in time. Secondly, there are those who watch porn with their partners whom they are about to engage in sexual relations with. Then there are those whose partner, for whatever reason, is currently unavailable for sexual relations. Are you really advocating that they find someone on the side?

[dontgohatin_pokemonguy]

People like porn. It's that simple. If you have a problem with it don't look at it.

this is true, i agree. Though porn is demoralizing its not to other people.

[crahkarr]

Problem

1 a: A question raised for inquiry, consideration, or solution.

   b: A proposition in mathematics or physics stating something should be done.

2 a: An intricate unsettled question.

   b: A source of perplexity, distress, or vexation.

   c: Difficulty in understanding or accepting.

Based on this definition, taken from a dictionary, it seems apparent that pornography is a problem. The very fact that there is a debate on the subject seems to indicate that.

Whether porn is immoral or not could be seen as a completely different question.

[Elik]

Pornograpy is a really bad thing.Why should people even see it,they should truly avoid it and they should bann the site for these.There were many bad incidents involving this pornography in our and neighbouring country so i hate it.

[deeluna]

Ah dont go all white knight on this, Pornagraphy is all a matter of perspective and subject. under typical circumstances there is nothing wrong with porn. If you don't want to see it, don't look at it. There is a time and place for it. Otherwise keep it in your pants.

Now if it involves young ones then I think that is a very bad thing. and the offenders of that need to be put in prison with the rest of the prisoners and it made well known what they did. Then let things happen.

[badboys]

To each his own

 

 

 

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