In a utopia, no man would be judged by anything other than their mind, will, and honor. However, it is a fact that most people will group together with those similar to them, for it generates a comfort zone. This produces a self-inflicted racial separation in a community which, unfortunately, compounds the effect of racism and causes the majority of the masses to have a derogatory outlook on other races. Another sad point is that, in a democracy at least, the largest group then subjugates and derides the lesser groups. This causes resentment to build and shows them that “the only people they can trust are themselves.”
Does race even matter?
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If it was a utopia, why would men be judged by anyone at all? What gives man the right to judge his fellow man in a perfect society, where i assume everyone is equal?In a utopia, no man would be judged by anything other than their mind, will, and honor. However, it is a fact that most people will group together with those similar to them, for it generates a comfort zone. This produces a self-inflicted racial separation in a community which, unfortunately, compounds the effect of racism and causes the majority of the masses to have a derogatory outlook on other races. Another sad point is that, in a democracy at least, the largest group then subjugates and derides the lesser groups. This causes resentment to build and shows them that “the only people they can trust are themselves.”
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:13 PM
If you didn't notice their race, why did you bother pointing it out? The fact that you tell us your race means that you hold some sense of identity based on your color of skin. Race helps us identify poeple too, btw. If race didn't matter, can you imagine how hard it would be for law enforcement to catch criminals? "There was a rape yesterday near your area, but due to how much race does not matter, we cannot tell you what to look for. We DO know that he was wearing clothes. Be on the lookout for anyone suspicious." REPORTING FAIL.it shouldn't, everyone is a human, race isn't important nor should it be. I'm white but one of best friends are black while another is mexican I don't even notice anymore.
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 05:51 AM
That is probably one of the most racist things i have ever heard... You are asumming, i guess, that this discussion is only about black people and whites?Well then... Race helped Barack Obama win the election, Race helped us figure out who caused the 9/11 attacks, and Race lets us know who is in the United States illegally. So don't say that Race doesn't matter. O, and BTW, being racist doesn't make the (hater) happy. They're racist because other races have either done something to them or from fear.race doesn't matter because we are all homosapians that live on this planet named earth the only people that see that differantly is red necks and they won't change a thing about how they treat coloured people because they live all this time with being racist and thats what makes them happy.
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A socially defined group which has no scientific basis, helps us to identify people?Race helps us identify poeple too, btw.
I don't think anyone would assert that skin colours do not exist. To do so would be silly. However the existence of skin colours does not equate to the existence of boundaries separating humanity into racial groups. Your next post seems to also be based off your unproven assertion that racial groups are a valid concept. Although I would like to see your proof for the existence of races, for instance how do you define the racial boundaries separating one group from another. Also how many races do you believe there are and can you name them?While I do not hold that races exist, this does not mean I think they do not matter. Countries like U.S.A and New Zealand are racially stratified societies, with racism deeply ingrained in their systems. This results in people who are classified as belonging to certain 'races' being disadvantaged. This disadvantage can either be direct or indirect. Directly we have such things as racial profiling. Indirectly we have research by clowns such as Arthur Jensen who ranks 'races' based on their 'intelligence'. The first instance results in certain people being unfairly targeted while the second results in the social causes for inequality being neglected.If race didn't matter, can you imagine how hard it would be for law enforcement to catch criminals? "There was a rape yesterday near your area, but due to how much race does not matter, we cannot tell you what to look for. We DO know that he was wearing clothes. Be on the lookout for anyone suspicious." REPORTING FAIL.
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A) Yes, you are quite correct. While we do not know exactly how race works, as far as scientifically, it still helps us identify others. There are a few things that we, as people do not understand scientifically, and many more that the everyday man doesn't understand, but we still accept things. Religion is one of them. However, I do not wish to thread-jack about religion, so i'm leaving that right there.B) If race didn't matter, than i think it would be as if race didn't exist. I believe that races are defined by individual people, resulting in many definitions, and confusing some people. For example, I define race based on what color your skin is, where you were born/raised, and where your ancestors came from. I believe there are many races, and i cannot name them all because i do not know all the countries of the world, nor the background of every person.C) If you do not think that something exists, how can you have an opinion on it? Like how an atheist does not believe in a god, how can they know whether he is benevolent or malicious. I think you contradicted yourself there, or maybe i didn't get the meaning. And yes, races sometimes advantages and disadvantages. I include disadvantages, because where i'm from, if you are not "black", then you are not allowed to go into certain portions of the city, at least without getting shot at. It is not socially acceptable to say certain things to others, depending on skin color. I have included advantages because there are a number of organizations set up to help these "black" people. School systems have special scholarships and grants based on the darkness of your skin.A>>>>>A socially defined group which has no scientific basis, helps us to identify people? B>>>>>I don't think anyone would assert that skin colours do not exist. To do so would be silly. However the existence of skin colours does not equate to the existence of boundaries separating humanity into racial groups. Your next post seems to also be based off your unproven assertion that racial groups are a valid concept. Although I would like to see your proof for the existence of races, for instance how do you define the racial boundaries separating one group from another. Also how many races do you believe there are and can you name them?C>>>>>While I do not hold that races exist, this does not mean I think they do not matter. Countries like U.S.A and New Zealand are racially stratified societies, with racism deeply ingrained in their systems. This results in people who are classified as belonging to certain 'races' being disadvantaged. This disadvantage can either be direct or indirect. Directly we have such things as racial profiling. Indirectly we have research by clowns such as Arthur Jensen who ranks 'races' based on their 'intelligence'. The first instance results in certain people being unfairly targeted while the second results in the social causes for inequality being neglected.
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Firstly you correctly assert that the general population believe that race is a valid concept despite being unable to understand the concept of race scientifically. This is quite a telling point as scientifically there is no grounding for such a concept as race.There are a few things that we, as people do not understand scientifically, and many more that the everyday man doesn't understand, but we still accept things.
Here you acknowledge that there are no clear of consistent racial boundaries separating one group of people from another. But rather the continuing belief in the race myth is dependent on little more than people socially defining others to socially created groups. In many ways this description sounds quite similar to that of ethnicity and ethnic groups. Indeed I would assert that what you are describing as being racial groups are not racial groups at all, but rather ethnic groups. As a clear distinction between the two groups is that racial groups put more priority on perceived genetic differences whereas ethnic groups place more value on identity, cultural beliefs etc.I believe that races are defined by individual people, resulting in many definitions, and confusing some people.
My assertion is that people get treated differently based on what racial group they are believed to belong to. While I hold that race science is a scientifically flawed concept, I am aware that people are treated differently based on the false belief they belong to a certain racial group. A quote which my lecturer used which sums this up quite nicely is "races do not exist but classification does". Case in point would be the holocaust, I do not believe that Jews are genetically different to Germans. However this does not mean I do not believe that a proportion of their population was (falsely) defined as belonging to a separate racial group and suffered tremendously as a result.As for race not existing, a good quote I used in another post sums this up quite nicely. While it is in response to research done by the clown I mentioned earlier, it is quite fitting in how it demonstrates how scientifically invalid race is.I think you contradicted yourself there, or maybe i didn't get the meaning.
Nowhere, however, does he offer evidence of how or to what extent his 'Negro', and 'White' populations are genetically distinct. All of those, and only those, defined in the conventional wisdom of American folk culture to be 'Negro' are included by Jensen, regardless of their genetic makeup, in the category he claims are biologically handicapped in learning ability. Thus, large numbers of people are tabulated as 'Negroes'. a majority of whose ancestors were 'white', and virtually all of Jensen's 'Negroes' have significant but highly variable percentages of 'white' ancestry,. Although also as a result of social definition, the 'whites' do not have known 'Negro' ancestry, the presumed genetic homogeneity of the 'whites' is as undemonstrated and unexplored as that of the 'Negroes'. In short, there was no attempt to identify the genetic makeup or homogeneity of either group, the genetic distinctiveness of the two groups, or whether or how genetic makeup is associated with learning ability, or how learning ability is transmitted.
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Well, you are correct in that i have confused race with ethnicity, and i concede to your point about the genetic insignifigance assigned to race. You were right there. You are a fascinating debater.A) Even if the general and majority population don't understand the scientific concept, it is still accepted, and as such, i believe it still is valid.(as far as the opinion of whether race matters.)@zelda knight- A>>>>>Firstly you correctly assert that the general population believe that race is a valid concept despite being unable to understand the concept of race scientifically. This is quite a telling point as scientifically there is no grounding for such a concept as race. Here you acknowledge that there are no clear of consistent racial boundaries separating one group of people from another. But rather the continuing belief in the race myth is dependent on little more than people socially defining others to socially created groups. In many ways this description sounds quite similar to that of ethnicity and ethnic groups. Indeed I would assert that what you are describing as being racial groups are not racial groups at all, but rather ethnic groups. As a clear distinction between the two groups is that racial groups put more priority on perceived genetic differences whereas ethnic groups place more value on identity, cultural beliefs etc. My assertion is that people get treated differently based on what racial group they are believed to belong to. While I hold that race science is a scientifically flawed concept, I am aware that people are treated differently based on the false belief they belong to a certain racial group. A quote which my lecturer used which sums this up quite nicely is "races do not exist but classification does". Case in point would be the holocaust, I do not believe that Jews are genetically different to Germans. However this does not mean I do not believe that a proportion of their population was (falsely) defined as belonging to a separate racial group and suffered tremendously as a result.As for race not existing, a good quote I used in another post sums this up quite nicely. While it is in response to research done by the clown I mentioned earlier, it is quite fitting in how it demonstrates how scientifically invalid race is.
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Excellent questions, proving a simple common sense point: there is only ONE race of human- human being. The reason that race continues to be an issue is in large part because of elite manipulation (with the aid of the elite press).Open your eyes. Race is used to divide the mass of poor people so RICH focks can continue to but-f us. So is religion. So is sex.They can't divide if everyone is equal. They can separate us if we unite and choose to look beyond our petty differences.The largest group of people in the world is poor, but this group looks A LOT SMALLER IF IT IS DIVIDED by race, religion, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference, etc.
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I have to say that while race doesn't (or shouldn't) matter in any area that is important I find it is often to my advantage.I'm black and while I cannot run down the street without someone assuming I've stolen something, I can use it to my advantage to get into college. It's completely unfair for people who come from just as privileged backgrounds as myself.On the other hand until the melting pot effect is completely and everyone on earth is some tan-ish color we'll continue to have race be a dividing factor.It's natural to relate to those who look like the people you grew up with and goes back to survival instincts. (Clearly it's not to the advantage of a rabbit to relate to a wolf)
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 06:06 AM
technically there is no such thing as race, as we all came from the same placetrue there are stereotypes for each "race" but that's not solely because of the color of our skinand though I wish I could say it doesn't matter, which it doesn't to me, it matters to all the important people, or so it seems
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race matters like it or not, i am bi-racial and we get more degrating and bigitry type things spewed out at us all the time, more than fully black people just bcuz we are a mixture of both. we are hated by both white AND black people!!..but you must realize that times are changing and sooner or later, the world just might become mostly one big mixed up race...that would be wild!
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Race only exists in terms of human, dog, cat, etc.People tend to use the word racism pretty fast when someone is at a different color then he/she is.thing is, we are all human.now Human is a race, but being hispanic or white or whatever is not.When, or better yet why does having a different look (it's not only the skin color that gets judged) is being called racism, when in reality that word doesn't exist among us fellow humans.
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I don't think it does. Like it was said before, everybody's human. But that's just what I think and not a lot of people agree. The world would work so much better if people put racial judgements behind them and banded together. I mean, it's just like how people thought that they were the most important beings in the whole universe, just because we're so complex, but we came to realise that every being in the world is just as important. It should be the same in terms of race; no matter who you are, or where you come from, you are just as important as everyone else. Everyone has their own roll to play.
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Race doesn't actually matter for me..Each of us wants opportunity, respect, friendship, and understanding.Humans are noted for their desire to understand and influence their environment, seeking to explain and manipulate natural phenomena through science, philosophy, mythology and religion.We are humans,a great family....GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - reddeath26
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Race is a precursor to being judged for who you are by what you look like. Actions speak louder than words and one should not be judged by color or religion or hair color, instead of what is inside and how the person behaves. Everyone can have a bad day. No one deserves to be judged by race, religion or sexual preferencesl Life is short and there is too much violence and hate crimes hurting our families. Race has been blended down by many families and creed and not one race is of total purity. Less judging about race and more compassion and love needs to be instilled into our activiities of daily living.yes we are all human but race does matter you may think I'm lying but I heard straight from a corrections officers mouth that the types of crime can be associated with the race someone is for instance there are more white people in jail for sexual crimes then any other race and there are more hispanics in jail for gang crimes then any other race
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I think race matters. It what makes every individual different. If race does not matter, we would become a homogeneous society that would come across as boring and uninteresting and lackluster and of course, culture. But very often due to the differences in Race and the culture that comes along with it, people are being judged and stereotyped and discriminated. GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - reddeath26
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Race is a human defined word based completely off of specific societies. We differentiate the meaning of race using skin color as our basis. Everyone is human, and race does not matter. Culture matters. Traditions matter. Beliefs Matter. Skin color absolutely does not matter. What does skin color have to do with being human? It's like saying a hermit crab with a white shell they found to wear should judge the same species of hermit crab that found a brown shell to wear. Skin is merely a shell that protects the rest of the human body. Why should we care what that shell looks like?I think race matters. It what makes every individual different. If race does not matter, we would become a homogeneous society that would come across as boring and uninteresting and lackluster and of course, culture. But very often due to the differences in Race and the culture that comes along with it, people are being judged and stereotyped and discriminated.
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Technically Race is defined more as another species (such like primates, insects, dogs, cats, rat, horse, ect, ect)I think you might be looking for the topic of "Does Ethnicity counts?" then my answer would be yes it does matter to state out the point giving off that you have individualism inside of you, me, and others. Well it might be strange but even though humans are a certain kind of race doesn't also apply to other race as well? (like other animals but we been cruel too they do also know something that we don't know)
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Please explain to me where race is defined as any of the below. Species and race are not one and the same according to human definitions. Anti-racists will use the argument "the human race" to deter people from becoming set on certain skin colors of the homo sapien species. This person meant the context "race" in the form of skin color. They did not say does ethnicity count. Ethnicity is comprised of the lifestyles said person practices. Race is connotated by skin color of a certain species. If you wanted to make a relative comparison using mammals besides humans. Then you could say a saimese cat that has black fur versus a saimese cat that has white fur. What is the difference between them except what color fur they have? There is none, and therefore it should not be noted.EDIT: Please note that insects are not a specific species. Insects are a classification of phylum called arthropoda and get broken down 5 more times before describing whether or not it is a honey bee or a red ant as being a specific species. Your other examples of other mammals are not species either, but rather families broken down from the assigned orders. The families of dogs, cats, rats, etc have to be classified twice more before determining the species. As far as primates, they are an order and must be classified three more times to become that of a certain species. Once you provide an example of a specific species, you can try to make a relative statement about 'race' when concerning something other than humans.Technically Race is defined more as another species (such like primates, insects, dogs, cats, rat, horse, ect, ect)I think you might be looking for the topic of "Does Ethnicity counts?" then my answer would be yes it does matter to state out the point giving off that you have individualism inside of you, me, and others. Well it might be strange but even though humans are a certain kind of race doesn't also apply to other race as well? (like other animals but we been cruel too they do also know something that we don't know)
To date there are five kingdoms: Animalia, which is made up of animals; Plantae, which is made up of plants; Protista, which is made up of protists (single-celled creatures invisible to the human eye); Fungi, which is made up of mushrooms, mold, yeast, lichen, etc; and Monera, which is made up of the three types of bacteria.The next category is the Phylum. There are several phyla within each kingdom. The phyla start to break the animals (or plants, fungi, etc) into smaller and more recognizable groups. The best known phylum is Chordata, which contains all animals with backbones (fish, birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians). There is also Arthropoda (insects, spiders, crustaceans); Mollusca (snails, squid, clam); Annelida (segmented worms); Echinodermata (starfish, sea urchins) and many, many more.The next category that makes up the phyla is the Class. The class breaks up animals into even more familiar groups. For example, the phylum Chordata is broken down into several classes, including Aves (birds), Reptilia (reptiles), Amphibia (amphibians), Mammalia (mammals) and several others.The next category is the Order. Each class is made up of one or more orders. Mammalia can be broken down into Rodentia (mice, rats), Primates (Old- and New-World monkeys), Chiroptera (bats), Insectivora (shrews, moles), Carnivora (dogs, cats, weasels), Perissodactyla (horses, zebras), Artiodactyla (cows), Proboscidea (elephants) and many more.Orders can then be broken down into Families. The order Carnivora can be broken down into Canidae (dogs), Felidae (cats), Ursidae (bears), Hyaenidae (hyaenas, aardwolves), Mustelidae (weasels, wolverines), and many more.The next category is the Genus. The family Felidae, for example, can be broken down into Acinonyx (cheetah), Panthera (lion, tiger), Neofelis (clouded leopard) and Felis (domestic cats).Finally, the genus is broken down into the Species. The genus Panthera can be broken down to include Panthera leo (lion) and Panthera tigris (tiger). Note that the genus is placed in front of the species.
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I agree that in the end, everybody is one race, and that's the human race.But of course within that, there are many different kinds of looking people, which I personally find to be a beautiful thing.I hate to compare humans to dogs, but for the sake of this discussion I will. As everybody knows, there are many different breeds of dogs, there are dogs with different features, different sizes, colors, etc.. but in the end, a dog is a dog, and they can produce with one another.It's kind of the same with humans. Humans vary is features, sizes, skin color, etc, but at the end of the day, we all work the same way, and we can all produce with one another and have perfectly healthy children.I think racism is less about not liking what a person looks like, and more about the negative stereotypes that have unfortunately been attached to a certain race of people.
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The OP is not asking if everybody is one race. He is asking whether race (defined by skin color) matters when determining if someone is human or not.I agree that in the end, everybody is one race, and that's the human race.
It is not usual for a German Shepherd to mate with a Poodle. A dog is defined by the characteristics with that family. A human being is a specific species. In order to compare the two accurately you would have to say a human is a human as a German Shepherd is a German Shepherd. You cannot just interchangeably mix "families" with "species" and come up with proper comparisons. It doesn't work like that.I hate to compare humans to dogs, but for the sake of this discussion I will. As everybody knows, there are many different breeds of dogs, there are dogs with different features, different sizes, colors, etc.. but in the end, a dog is a dog, and they can produce with one another.
Only difference, as stated above, is that humans are a species where the general term of dogs is a family. Now, you can make an accurate comparison by comparing a lighter fur German Shepherd with a Darker fur German Shepherd as a White person is compared to a Black person.It's kind of the same with humans. Humans vary is features, sizes, skin color, etc, but at the end of the day, we all work the same way, and we can all produce with one another and have perfectly healthy children.
The negative stereotypes were created because of the color of skin. The traditions and lifestyle themselves are treated as something completely different. Native Americans were called "Red Man," because of their skin color. Their lifestyles and practices on the other hand caused the Europeans to call them heathens and savages. Heathen/savage does not equal "Red Man."I think racism is less about not liking what a person looks like, and more about the negative stereotypes that have unfortunately been attached to a certain race of people.
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I was basically saying that I agree that in the end we're all the same, which is what the original poster was talking about, regardless of skin color, etc. I clearly went through this in my post...Agreeing that we're all humans beings is pretty much the same thing as agreeing that we're all in the end apart of the human race.The OP is not asking if everybody is one race. He is asking whether race (defined by skin color) matters when determining if someone is human or not.
I wasn't comparing them literally, it was just a rough comparison, basically to say that, dogs look different with different features, colors, etc, but in the end they can mate and create a child together. The point wasn't really to change the discussion to one about dogs. I believe I made it pretty clear about what I meant in my original post, since I was talking about their fur and features.It is not usual for a German Shepherd to mate with a Poodle. A dog is defined by the characteristics with that family. A human being is a specific species. In order to compare the two accurately you would have to say a human is a human as a German Shepherd is a German Shepherd. You cannot just interchangeably mix "families" with "species" and come up with proper comparisons. It doesn't work like that.Only difference, as stated above, is that humans are a species where the general term of dogs is a family. Now, you can make an accurate comparison by comparing a lighter fur German Shepherd with a Darker fur German Shepherd as a White person is compared to a Black person.
In modern culture, I find these things are typically tied together. If someone were to make a comment about a black person and fried chicken, or watermelon for example, depending on the context of how that was said and who it was said by, that would typically be considered a racist remark in most peoples minds, even though it's not a direct comment on their skin color.The negative stereotypes were created because of the color of skin. The traditions and lifestyle themselves are treated as something completely different. Native Americans were called "Red Man," because of their skin color. Their lifestyles and practices on the other hand caused the Europeans to call them heathens and savages. Heathen/savage does not equal "Red Man."
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Yes, but the OP didn't ask if we are the human race in his title. He asked if race matters. There is a difference and I was pointing that out.I was basically saying that I agree that in the end we're all the same, which is what the original poster was talking about, regardless of skin color, etc. I clearly went through this in my post...Agreeing that we're all humans beings is pretty much the same thing as agreeing that we're all in the end apart of the human race.
Only animals of specific species can mate with other animals of specific species. There are exceptions with cross breeding, but that is mostly influenced by human interference. Your comparison was wrong because you are insinuating something like white person is to black person as german shepherd is to poodle. It simply does not work that way. A human is a human. there are no other variations of human that are classified in the Animal Kingdom. German Shepherds and poodles are two completely different species even though they are both called dogs.I wasn't comparing them literally, it was just a rough comparison, basically to say that, dogs look different with different features, colors, etc, but in the end they can mate and create a child together. The point wasn't really to change the discussion to one about dogs. I believe I made it pretty clear about what I meant in my original post, since I was talking about their fur and features.
So what exactly would you classify a Black person as? An Egyptian, a Zimbabwean, a Moroccan, a Nigerian, a Zambian, an African American? What exactly does "Black Person" mean to you? I don't think it is correct to merge all the African countries cultures together under one label of "Black Person." That is very ignorant to group them that way. The watermelon, fried chicken, etc is related to the fact that said person has certain color of skin and has nothing to do with the cultures the 'black person' is involved with.In modern culture, I find these things are typically tied together. If someone were to make a comment about a black person and fried chicken, or watermelon for example, depending on the context of how that was said and who it was said by, that would typically be considered a racist remark in most peoples minds, even though it's not a direct comment on their skin color.
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in my belief, we, as a human being, or as scientists call us "Homo Sapien" are a set species of people, therefore, we should not be seperae ated by a thing called "race". however, somewhere along the passage of time, someone decided to split us in different "races". perhaps it was the "missing link" of our evolvement from hunchback to upward walking. maybe, at first, the different races where simple, and were only in two groups, the hunchback and the upright. however, as time progress, our conscience made us realized that although everyone had a variety f characteristics, some could be grouped with similar characteristics, such as one group being "slim, muscular and dark-skinned" and another being "taller, intelectual and white skinned"some where along the post, i read a comment that said that black people were a "race", however i say to you, when you say "black people" are a race, do you mean that all dark skinned people are of one race? even if they were born in different parts of the world? even if they speak completely different languages? its the same as saying the japanese, the americans, and all the other pale-skinned people of the world are of one race! these people, each with their own culture, language, developments, etc are all individuals of the species called Homo Sapien! although we all have own differences, our chemical compasition are all identical to each other. we are all intelligent mammals, who have developed, survived the ages, and become the dominant species of the world. P.S im sorry but i hav to stop here, i will bookmark and continue discussion later on. oh and dont be afraid to criticize me, how do you think i did for a 14 year old boy? 
