Well the U.S. went over there so they could steal oil since that place contains alot of them.For the big picture media and government such as the "rich people" didn't want us "common people" to know this so they stage out a war on Iraq.The terror is actually true since you may see if live on television it is different in real life. Thousands and Thousands Of People Died Each Second. Please Support the War Against Terror.
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Posted 03 April 2008 - 12:02 AM
i personally think that the government are becoming terrorist themselves, i called terrorist all those people who attack other country without reason but the do the same thing, its the same thing that happen during the cold war, if u didnt agree with the american policies u were a comunist
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 12:19 PM
My email is alexkoleen@rock.com. I would like to see some of these photos. I'll trade you the photos of men torn in half or the pictures of soilders missing limbs. I'll even try and throw in some video of men who never saw the bomb go off and are trying to figure out why chunks of their bodies are on the building they were guarding.far as the war goes it is also about rebuilding what the former opressive govt had destroyed. you cant say that its not because i have pics to prove what a majority of our rines in iraq are doing, Rebuilding, cleaning, and advancing technologies.
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 08:40 PM
Wow... went over there to steal oil? Yeah, that's why oil prices are 4 dollars a gallon average right now.. I believe in the war against terror. Unfortunately I think it might be something of a losing battle though. Unless the Islamic people are educated to the point where they can interpret the Qu'ran themselves, there will be no peace.Example (current situation):A man goes to his spiritual interpreter, caliph, w/e asking what the Qu'ran says to do.(this is how some passages are set up, making it easy for them to be twisted around)"You may kill a man (only that part is read)if he steals your wife." (part mysteriously passed over)Once people can read for themselves, they might start to wake up more.Well the U.S. went over there so they could steal oil since that place contains alot of them.For the big picture media and government such as the "rich people" didn't want us "common people" to know this so they stage out a war on Iraq.The terror is actually true since you may see if live on television it is different in real life. Thousands and Thousands Of People Died Each Second. Please Support the War Against Terror.
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 09:38 PM
war against terror were pretty much misnomerfrom what i see so far, those war neglected why people commit terrorless masses realize, that it was their ideology that drives 'em to commit those atrocitiesthe war should be more focused on combating that ideology (in this case: islam), so people may freed from that ideology.more people freed from that ideology, less people will do terrordoesn't believe it? so ponder this, why theres' no budhist who yell "AMITHABA" then blow-up mosque, yet history record islamic in afganistan yell out loud "ALLAHUAKBAR" then blow-up the three-stories-height budhist statue... Zen said something like: 'to win, you need to know your enemies',yet the americans goverment refuse to recoginzed the ideology they should fighting on as enemies, and the media doesn't either, losing battle pretty much guaranteed
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 09:50 PM
War is not terror. If war was terror, then we wouldn't war. War is human nature, and fear is human nature as well. We kill everything in our power and run away from what we can't; terror has little to do with war itself.I believe that Bush's war was originally a method in which he could show off and/or enjoy using America's large killing capacity against a convenient enemy, but it has since escalated into a method in which Bush can show off his idiocy. Iraq is our next Vietnam, and we're bound to lose eventually.there is no war against terror.. war is terror, so it should be against itself, so the war shouldn't exist in the first place if it is against terror..
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 09:52 PM
Here is a german comment about war against terrorism.It has english subs:It is only part one.You can watch the other parts on Youtube.And btw:war IS terror.What should be the difference?
Edited by Jouten, 10 June 2008 - 10:01 PM.
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 10:19 PM
Yeah, we're really going to try convincing (at least) hundreds of millions of people that their faith is wrong and causes people to die needlessly...war against terror were pretty much misnomerfrom what i see so far, those war neglected why people commit terrorless masses realize, that it was their ideology that drives 'em to commit those atrocitiesthe war should be more focused on combating that ideology (in this case: islam), so people may freed from that ideology.more people freed from that ideology, less people will do terrordoesn't believe it? so ponder this, why theres' no budhist who yell "AMITHABA" then blow-up mosque, yet history record islamic in afganistan yell out loud "ALLAHUAKBAR" then blow-up the three-stories-height budhist statue... Zen said something like: 'to win, you need to know your enemies',yet the americans goverment refuse to recoginzed the ideology they should fighting on as enemies, and the media doesn't either, losing battle pretty much guaranteed
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 10:22 PM
I agree that some wars are terror, as they are politically motivated and use fear as means of pushing their ideals through. This does not, however, apply to all wars.The war on terror should not be fought with guns, but with diplomacy, wisdom, and enlightenment. Odds are good you've never seen or heard about a Buddhist terrorist act.Granted, fanatics have to be dealt with through other means than those mentioned above, but most people who blow themselves up aren't really fanatics. They believe they are providing for their families by doing what they do, and they believe they are doing it for a good cause.
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 10:31 PM
You're not exactly backing up your claim, so I can't destroy your argument. The best I can do is to repeat myself:War is not terror. If war was terror, then we wouldn't war. War is human nature, and fear is human nature as well. We kill everything in our power and run away from what we can't; terror has little to do with war itself.And that video, or at least that part of it, has nothing to do with Bush and his war.war IS terror.What should be the difference?
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 10:34 PM
Like I said before, nothing will change until the common people get educated. Until then, diplomacy? The common people wouldn't hear about any proposed ideas or treaties, and the dictators would just keep fighting among themselves.I agree that some wars are terror, as they are politically motivated and use fear as means of pushing their ideals through. This does not, however, apply to all wars.The war on terror should not be fought with guns, but with diplomacy, wisdom, and enlightenment. Odds are good you've never seen or heard about a Buddhist terrorist act.Granted, fanatics have to be dealt with through other means than those mentioned above, but most people who blow themselves up aren't really fanatics. They believe they are providing for their families by doing what they do, and they believe they are doing it for a good cause.
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 10:56 PM
Well that part was the intro^^The other parts are all about Bush and Hussein.Ok to backup my argument.war = throwing bombs over other nation, killing millions of people, killing innocent people, reason endangermentterror = throwing bobms over other nation, killing millions of people, killing innocent people, reason: endangerment...
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 11:17 PM
Apples = fruit.Oranges = fruit.Apples are oranges nowadays?
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 11:43 PM
That's a non sequitur if I ever saw one, Jouten. That's like saying "Because man is a mammal, and man is intelligent, all mammals are intelligent".Terrorism isn't clearly defined, but I'd define it as violent action intended to spread fear in order to forward a political message.War is just ... war.
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Posted 11 June 2008 - 02:04 AM
They are not the same. War is an act, a decleration of action, an event. Terror is an emotion and a feeling. Terror is an end result or a biproduct of war. To say otherwise would be like saying exhaust is a car, not a result of a car. People rally when there is a specific enemy. Leaders since the dawn of history declare war on an enemy and always use a specific single word title to name the enemy. It's just a smart move towards managing your population and getting the citizens to agree with your decision. This could be called "a war against people around the world that use attacks on citizens to produce fear that increases their ability to force their views upon people and gain power." A simplified "war on terror" is the bite size title that let's the citizens know there are enemies with out providing any specifics as to who we are fighting. The term terror or terrorist can be applied to any enemy we want. This term was popularized by the Bush administration so that the grey area of the term would blur our enemies into non-humans. I don't mean we see them as monsters or aliens, but that we see them all as the same which desensitizes us. We don't care about the dead citizens in Iraq. The term also allows almost any operation in Iraq to be okay because it falls under the umbrella of "fighting terror". Jouten707~"war = throwing bombs over other nation, killing millions of people, killing innocent people, reason endangerment""terror = throwing bobms over other nation, killing millions of people, killing innocent people, reason: endangerment..."Think deeper about this. Your just reducing this to a simplistic view.WAR= Is throwing bombs into other nations, killing millions of people, and killing the innocent.TERROR= Is hearing the bombs fall, looking for people in the rubble, and finding the innocent dead.
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Posted 11 June 2008 - 02:04 PM
Well yes there is a difference between war and terror.I was a bit short, cause i was lazy to type.
What's that sentence supposed to mean, anyways?For me there is no difference in war and terror.The only difference might be that terrorists are no politicians, but that's all.Yeah they have different reasons.The one believes to fight for his freedom and the other one thinks he fights for his freedom.Just because this idiot of George Bush SAYS it's not terror, doesn't mean it's not terror.Let's get back to your fruit comparison.Well i'd rather compare Pommes and Potatoes.Pommes basicly is Potatoes, but still they seem to look better and taste better, cause people added salt to it and cooked it in oil.the basics are the same even though row might taste different than cookedso here are the other parts if you don'T beleive that he is talking about the american warWar is not terror. If war was terror, then we wouldn't war. War is human nature, and fear is human nature as well. We kill everything in our power and run away from what we can't; terror has little to do with war itself.
Edited by Jouten, 11 June 2008 - 02:14 PM.
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Posted 12 June 2008 - 02:18 AM
I can see where you're going with this, one sort of stems from the other, but that doesn't mean that they are the same.OT: Just so you know, if you're talking to Americans, Pommes Frites are called French Fries (or just fries) auf Englisch, most Americans wouldn't understand Pommes.For me there is no difference in war and terror.The only difference might be that terrorists are no politicians, but that's all.Yeah they have different reasons.The one believes to fight for his freedom and the other one thinks he fights for his freedom.Just because this idiot of George Bush SAYS it's not terror, doesn't mean it's not terror.Let's get back to your fruit comparison.Well i'd rather compare Pommes and Potatoes.Pommes basicly is Potatoes, but still they seem to look better and taste better, cause people added salt to it and cooked it in oil.the basics are the same even though row might taste different than cookedso here are the other parts if you don'T beleive that he is talking about the american war
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Posted 12 June 2008 - 07:42 AM
war really sucks so bad....POINTS were deducted for this post by hookshot!Please refer to the forum rules to find out why your points were deducted.Is there any thing such as war against terror or is it one of president Bush trick to get all of the oil rich countries and why should people involve in other people's religion .. How can Some one teach about guns in a religious place.Isn't it just a plan dont u agree,
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Posted 12 June 2008 - 02:21 PM
oh ups^^ well ok i'll save that in my mind i just thought "pommes" is an english word alsoI can see where you're going with this, one sort of stems from the other, but that doesn't mean that they are the same.OT: Just so you know, if you're talking to Americans, Pommes Frites are called French Fries (or just fries) auf Englisch, most Americans wouldn't understand Pommes.
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 12:38 AM
I think that it is a war on oil
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 01:02 AM
Wait, so now fish = squirrels? I mean, the basics of both are the same.That sentence that you referred to means that the human instinct is to kill what can be killed and run away from the rest. Humans are cowardly animals who like to exercise their superiority when possible; don't deny it.Well yes there is a difference between war and terror.I was a bit short, cause i was lazy to type. What's that sentence supposed to mean, anyways?For me there is no difference in war and terror.The only difference might be that terrorists are no politicians, but that's all.Yeah they have different reasons.The one believes to fight for his freedom and the other one thinks he fights for his freedom.Just because this idiot of George Bush SAYS it's not terror, doesn't mean it's not terror.Let's get back to your fruit comparison.Well i'd rather compare Pommes and Potatoes.Pommes basicly is Potatoes, but still they seem to look better and taste better, cause people added salt to it and cooked it in oil.the basics are the same even though row might taste different than cooked
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 01:33 PM
Yeah so what does that say about war and terror now?Right: It's actually the same thing:If something threatens you you will have to kill it.Just because giving it different names doesn't make it different.
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 03:19 PM
No, I said that if something threatens a human, it runs away. It only kills the things that can't fight back.
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:52 PM
I never saw Human running I away from something.They always kill what's in their way.
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 11:01 PM
What part of "war and terrorism are not the same" do you not understand?My German buddy assures me "Krieg ist nicht das selbe wie Terrorismus" is a fairly decent translation, in the event that it's a language misunderstanding.Can we continue the debate now? I feel we've derailed somewhat.
