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[Zeromus]

If you're agnostic, you should have voted "I don't believe in anything."

Agnosticism is the belief (or disbelief) in a higher power, but the inability to know what it is in truth.As for me, Atheist. I see no proof in the ideas that parts of religions have happened (Genesis, the Ark, etc), but I see more proof in science. Also, if there is such a god, why is there no proof of it? For something to exist, it has to have some sort of tangible form. On the topic of Genesis, which works with "God created everything", who created God? Who created the thing that created God? It's an infinite loop. Granted, I'm only speaking on Christian points, I'm less familiar with Judaism, Islam, and other religions. However, the same honestly applies; there's no proof that the stuff listed in the Bible, Torah, Qur’an, or other holy books actually happened. Now does this mean I hate people practicing religion? No, not at all. I only hate those that try to force it upon others.

Edited by Khaaaaaaaaaaaan!, 15 August 2011 - 09:27 PM.

[AsrarQ]

i think that as long as people are good then there is no proplem. i dont mind if you are a different religon to me or if you dont believe in god as long as you are nice

[ƵeRø]

Im a Muslim so of-course i believe in god,look if you study all the religions in the world you'll end up being muslim why? cuz islamim is the best religion im not saying this cuz im a muslim myself im saying it cuz it's the truth if you dont believe go study all the religions and see where will you end up

[Auzzie Wingman]

Religion is nothing more than a tool designed to rally people of a common mind. Humans are scared of what they don't understand. Religion attempts to answer them for people by using heavenly devices, such as god, angels and other whatnot, to give them security. However in the process accumulates members to their organisation. Religions do not and will not connect with another. You cannot put a hive mind unity on the world as long as different religions exists. Ideals and power control collapse, and as such wars break out. Deny it, accept it, religion is a denominator of war. Let's take the Christian religious god for example. What is the evidence for his/her/its existence? Well, there's the first thing. We can't even nail down the friggin' gender. Pretty much every other god in any other religion has one. But let's move on... the Bible. Oh, how I like to have a field day with it. But I'll be more substantial with it. Is it truly an accurate recording of time, or was it an elaborate hoax from our ancestors to trick the minds of the future into fear? Well, until we get a time machine, I can't tell you. Let's go further. Assume that there was truly only one god, and that this god was responsible for all creation. And let's say this god wanted to make it so that they were known to be the only one? Well, why everything else. Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Aztecs, Hindus etc. If you were truly the creator of everything, why shower the human praise on things that didn't exist, that you allowed to exist? Sure, I probably don't have the right answer. I don't think anyone does. But I think that, given our natural ambition to be in control, "Religion is nothing more than a tool that people abused to decieve, manipulate, rally, confuse and destroy enemies" is a lot more believable than "Invisible things made us, but we can't come to a general consensus on what they are, but we know the other guy is wrong about it so lets get 'em."

[Siah]

I am a strong Christian. I'd like to clarify the distinction between religion and faith, btw. Religion encompasses faith, but more often than not it also includes a whole host of other rituals and requirements that a religion/denomination/cult imposes on its followers. Faith is the believing in God(or lack, thereof), and in the Christian's case, in believing in Jesus. Ultimately, for Christians, that's the crux of the religion, not the rest of the rituals that have come to be associated with the Church as it is today. - @ the poster above, I'd like to say that although great atrocities have been committed in the name of religion, it's often that fact that people feel that they can justify their actions with religion that cause them to act that way; not that the religion actually caused them to do what they did. On the topic of God, the Christian God has no gender. God is above humans, and to try to assign human characteristics to God is a fallacy. Rather, the account of Genesis describes God imparting some of His attributes to man. "Invisible things made us, but we can't come to a general consensus on what they are, but we know the other guy is wrong about it so lets get 'em."The Bible, for Christians, is how we come to know more about God. Ultimately we can't know everything about God, or we would be God ourselves. At some point in any religion, a leap of faith is necessary, regardless of any amount of facts, whether large or small.

Edited by Siah, 20 November 2011 - 06:24 AM.

[38542788]

I'd like to clarify the distinction between religion and faith, btw. Religion encompasses faith, but more often than not it also includes a whole host of other rituals and requirements that a religion/denomination/cult imposes on its followers. Faith is the believing in God(or lack, thereof), and in the Christian's case, in believing in Jesus. Ultimately, for Christians, that's the crux of the religion, not the rest of the rituals that have come to be associated with the Church as it is today.

I don't think this is exactly honest. What's relevant to others is not your beliefs but your actions. Some random guy could lust after small children all he wants, I don't care unless he actually does something about it. The problem is that beliefs inform actions and what most people call "believing in Jesus" usually comes bundled with some other pretty abhorrent beliefs. Similarly, I don't care that you "believe in Jesus", what I care about is stuff like the Catholic church telling people in Africa that they shouldn't use condoms and it really doesn't do that much against HIV, honest . Or people anywhere campaigning against abortion saying that a bundle of cells that doesn't even have its own heartbeat or functional brain has a "soul" which is totally real and makes killing the fetus equal murder.

@ the poster above, I'd like to say that although great atrocities have been committed in the name of religion, it's often that fact that people feel that they can justify their actions with religion that cause them to act that way; not that the religion actually caused them to do what they did.

People use religion to justify their own positions (the psychology behind something like "believe and do this or you're going to hell" is pretty easy to see through). A successful religion pretty much has to do something like that or it won't survive, that sort of control is inherently unhealthy and easy to exploit.

On the topic of God, the Christian God has no gender. God is above humans, and to try to assign human characteristics to God is a fallacy. Rather, the account of Genesis describes God imparting some of His attributes to man.

Not quite. It's pretty obvious that Jews thought that god was a man. The whole "created in his image" thing was quite literal, and man was clearly supposed to be of a superior form to others (women for example).

The Bible, for Christians, is how we come to know more about God. Ultimately we can't know everything about God, or we would be God ourselves. At some point in any religion, a leap of faith is necessary, regardless of any amount of facts, whether large or small.

There are plenty of beliefs that do not require faith (the sky is blue, etc). Why not hold only those types of beliefs and exclude others?

[Yuto]

I vote No on all polls. I mean i'm slightly agnostic, however i have extreme thoughts of hatred and self loath for God

First of all. In this day and age we will almost get ridiculed if we do not believe in something. Which in my opinion is pretty biased. I myself once did believe, however, lately there's no real reason or cause to believe in such false prophets or unknown powers. I agree that all religion is used as a tool, either for the media and gov't, or just for to help people falsely believe in something. I don't think it's right to try and make people believe anything, let them decide for themselves. Let people live life, and find religion on their own, let them decide whether it's right to believe in any God, their choice.

Edited by Hyperblade Zero, 18 April 2012 - 11:09 PM.

[Yuto]

I totally agree. In the beginning people created several gods to try to explain all things that they didn't understand, like thunder, lightning, etcThe "god" we know of today was created for the same reason, (and of coarse to make people docile) only someone thought it was better to have only one god, and for some reason that idea appealed to people

It's not the fact that there's one God. There are still multiple Gods, it all depends on what you believe in. The idea of a single God is Monotheistic, Polytheistic beliefs fall under the multiple Gods idea, that's where you get the seperation of religions, each revolving around their own belief, or their own God.

[ƵeRø]

religion sux i just hate the ****** moslems killing other ppl for their religionPOINTS were deducted for this post by -Wade-Please refer to the forum rules to find out why your points were deducted.

hey biitch if your that ******* stupid to notice that you ******* guys are killing muslims then shut the **** up and put a damn cocck in your damn mouth ok

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[ƵeRø]

The most common argument I hear is that there is no way to prove God does not exist. If so, should I believe God is a giant spagetti because I don't have any proof he isn't? In my opinion, we are our own God. We create our own world, our beliefs and our happiness. If there was an almighty God, why are we not all agree of it? The answer is : lack of evidence. The philosophy is to create our own answer with some spiritual alien meaning of the world that keeps changing with times because evidence change and so the religious fact does. There definetely is a lack of solid basement. I think people hallucinate their own evidence with prayers. It's bad for logical sense. Did God created menor men created God?

I totally agree. In the beginning people created several gods to try to explain all things that they didn't understand, like thunder, lightning, etcThe "god" we know of today was created for the same reason, (and of coarse to make people docile) only someone thought it was better to have only one god, and for some reason that idea appealed to people

I still dont get it if we are god -.- then who created us? and dont say we evolved because that cant happen or if you saw a cat evolving onto a human then thats another subject and lets say we did evolve from animals then why are there still animals that lived thousands of years ago but they didnt evolve?

let me add something you guys probably wont believe,did you ever know that our holy quran and the REAL BIBLE, the real bible that existed a long time ago not the twisted one we know now,did have some information about the future like about cars,planes and ships and there are many things like how ants have glass in there bodies and if you dont believe me read this http://www.aleslombe...ade-from-glass/

Edited by ƵeRø, 12 May 2012 - 08:09 PM.

[38542788]

I still dont get it if we are god -.- then who created us? and dont say we evolved because that cant happen or if you saw a cat evolving onto a human then thats another subject and lets say we did evolve from animals then why are there still animals that lived thousands of years ago but they didnt evolve?

Maybe you can read biology textbook which will answer that question for you? I mean your lack of knowledge about a subject doesn't imply that the default answer is "god did it".

To explain it simply, speciation happens when there are forces that create a seperate population and then each population operates under different evolutionary pressures. It can happen due to geological seperation, or differentiation to take advantage of a different niche in a particular environment, or some factor that prevents interbreeding between two overlaping populations. It's not about a species "becoming" another species, a species is defined based on a population of organisms, not the other way around. A species cannot "become" another species. If you (a human) suddenly gave birth to a new lifeform (a cat for example), it would not cause humanity to cease to exist, humanity would exist alongside cats. This is because evolution happens with populations, which can be reduced at the start to single individuals, in fact all extant y-chromosome in the human population and all our mitochondrial DNA can both be traced to two different individuals.

let me add something you guys probably wont believe,did you ever know that our holy quran and the REAL BIBLE, the real bible that existed a long time ago not the twisted one we know now,did have some information about the future like about cars,planes and ships and there are many things like how ants have glass in there bodies and if you dont believe me read this http://www.aleslombe...ade-from-glass/

This is incoherent, I'm not sure what you'r trying to say here, but ants are not made from glass, they're covered in chitin, which your link mentions in the second post there.

[PKOverdrive]

A friend of mine holds the belief that all religions have a common root, and the only reason they are different is because those from whom this or that specific religion originated had a certain extraneous "organ" of perception, and they were capable of perceiving "God" or "God's will." The differences between religions, therefore are translation errors. There's just no way to describe a smell in terms of what you see, right?

Me, I hold to the words by which my father, grandfather, and so on lived: "I respect men of faith, but I respect men of action more."

[LiquidSnake]

Why are humans believe in superior being is because our mind are program to give sens of what is around us. But the problem is that our mind is not strong enough to understand everything so he create some sort of God to give a sens to unanswered questions like ''why do we live'' or ''what created the universe?''.

 

A proof that God is pure fiction is there are things that doesn't stand. As thelogy describe God, some things are in contradictions. For exemple, theology said that God is almighty strong and infinitly love. He has the ability to do anything and love us beyond what s possible. Also, God knows everything. He knows what you have done and what you will do. 

 

But there is something not working here. Why does he make us suffer? Why does God doesn't extinguish the pain in the world? The answer to that question is because God gave us the choice to make the good or the evil. God is testing us on Earth to see if we're worthy of paradise. The problem is God ALREADY knows what we are about to do, so why making us suffer on Earth while we could be all together on paradise? Instead, God watches people suffering by all these wars, suicides and genocides.

 

The only answer to that question is God is NOT infinitly good or just DOESN'T have the ability to extinguish the pain in the world. So I just proved God as we know doesn't exist. But it doesn't prove God doesn't exist. So this leaves us two choice:

1-God is not infinitly love.

2-God cannot do anything in this world since he cannot even save us from pain nor evil.

 

In any case, I choose to not believe in the God because if he is a liar (1), he would not let live peacefuly those who make evil things against him like satanic people. But God could wait until death arise before giving the punishment so that they have the time to change. But some people give their soul to satan with no possible turning back and yet nothing seems bad to happen to them. So if there is a God, he is truly infinitly love.

 

So this leads us to the only possible conclusion to our dilemma.  God does not have the ability to destroy the pain in the world (2). Then what is the use of such creature? Why should I believe in a creature that can't do anything? Where did that concept comes from? Do we truly have a soul inside of us?

 

Finaly, there is no exact answer to that question. But the odds are largely against the principle of a supreme entity. But I guess simple words cannot change the beliefs of so many...

[Mysterie]

I believe that there is a greater power out there, too great and all-encompassing to be really defined by any one religion. I think it's not so much an entity, as it is an energy, the pulse of life that flows through us and around us, everything and nothing all at once. It rests in the earth beneath your feet, swirls in the wind that fills your lungs, dances in the flames of a candle and flows with the waves of the sea. It connects everything that lives, for it is the very essence of existence.