Although it does still present some problems when whether or not a person has a piece of paper overrides all other criteria. I will begin by saying I do not disgress that some jobs will require highly technical knowledge and these to tend to lead themselves to this more. Although an example which springs to mind is someone I know of who has been in childcare for over 20 years, have lots of really good references and experience. When they changed the law to require a degree to work in that field they were forced to retire. Why not simply take the degree you might ask? They were already too close to the retirement age as it was. I have even had conversations with people from Japan and they were really amazed to hear that in New Zealand you are required to have a degree specifically in teaching english as a second language in order to do so.As for the grades themselves I agree they can be quite a good system. As I mentioned in an earlier post I simply believe the system needs some reform.As ridiculous as it may seem to you, the world is definitely NOT an equal place. It is foolish to believe everyone can become a doctor or a scientist, some people are more intelligent then others and employers need a standard reference to see how good someone is at learning and at problem solving (which most high level education tests do include). Meaning that for most people a grading system is accurate to identify who would be apt enough to get high level education jobs that require lots of intelligence and if someone is intelligent but has problems involving learning and holding things in memory he will be able to find tricks to make him remember better still giving him good grades where as an idiot would simply flunk not knowing what to do.That being said, Death of Heavens already clearly explained why the only alternative that exists at the moment does work so the best of two worlds is obviously a grade system. And anyway, a very intelligent person could become a businessman with a minimal amount of education and gets lots of money without necessairily having good grades in school although those good grades would definitely be more convincing to get loans from the bank. (My uncle would be a good example, he owns a series of pharmacieutical shops which he started in association with a friend, a pharmacist, without having past three years education beyond high school and its working out great ) Grades and education is simply a system, one that has proven itself to be quite accurate for over 50 years now and that can be circumvented with intelligence if you know what you are doing ( getting associates and friends with knowledge would be a good way to go and building your own company from there, but of course unless you are a genius of some sort you may as well stick with the system that works.)
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Posted 26 September 2009 - 06:24 PM
Grades, no matter how they may lack to manifest a student's life experience, still have SOME credibility. Especially in high school, one must work hard, and must study for various exams, complete their homework, etc. Successful students are successful because they are hard workers and know what they must do. Not to say that grades are completely valid either. That's why some colleges, and hopefully more colleges to follow, look at other extra-curricular activities, such as community service, club activities, sports, musical ability and experience, and other talents outside of school. These categories show what the student has been doing outside of school, so that if he or she went to Mexico to do some community service and acted as a translator, the college will know that this person is fluent in Spanish and can speak with a fluent Mexican.
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Posted 16 January 2011 - 02:39 PM
grades are definitely good. it might suck that some people are able to achieve the same, if not higher, grade as you even though they put less work into it. but the grade you receive show how much work you put in and how much you were able to learn in the past months. without grades, there is not way of telling just how much you learned while in the class making an education pointless.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 02:53 AM
My science teacher told me that we go to school not for grades, but for learning. Grades won't even be important when your an adult, when there are no grades.Although they give me a feeling of accomplishment in school.GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - tedsb16
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Posted 05 March 2011 - 03:24 AM
I feel in high school grades were necessary because it forced all the people who didn't want to be there to actually work. However once you hit college the become nothing more than a hindrance from actually learning your material. They put such an emphasis on grades that in the end you don't gain the skills you need to actively pursue your field, and you end up learning most of your things the first day on the job.
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Posted 06 March 2011 - 10:13 PM
I disagree that the American grading system is anything like a caste system. Most people have a choice to apply themselves more in order to raise their standing in school. Except for a few significant cases, there really is no barrier, concrete or otherwise, that prevents students from achieving at high levels. Unlike the Indian caste system which you are probably referring to, most students can choose to better themselves and their grades through studying and the bettering of their education.While America's social structure certainly does limit the education of the lower social classes, there have certainly been many examples of people rising from these lower social tiers and accomplishing much with their life through our education system.Though there are many flaws that limit the equality that many are eager to achieve, our grading system is most certainly not a caste system.grades are soooo bad. Really they are just an american caste system. Take a group of peopel and base their lives and social role on what they get on paper. it is utterly ridiculous.
Though we are graded in such early stages of our lives, many people often forget that these grades don't matter. Other than being held back due to complete failure on the part of the student, grades hold very little influence over the lives of students until late middle school and high school. This is a stage in which students ARE responsible and DO have more or less of an idea of what they want to do with their lives. In this way, while grades may be subjective at times, they do often very accurately reflect a student's intellectual achievement at a point in their lives when they are preparing for adulthood and consciously trying to put themselves one step ahead of their classmates. Thus, it cannot be said that anyone's chances of success are directly related to their grades. Some high school students are very aware of the work they must put in to reach their goals and it is the difference in awareness and the action taken in result that I think mostly influences one's chances of success in life.i find it wrong that your chances of success are best on grades. you get grades in your earliest stage in life the stage at which you are least responsible and don't know any better
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Grades are not objective, they are subjective. Why do i mention it this way. It is because of the papers that some tests have become. if one is writing a paper for an exam then the prof/teacher/sensei, could decide to fail that students paper if they wanted to. No matter how hard we try we cannot get rid of the grading system. Instead we all just do the best we can and that is really all we can do.I have disabilities that make it harder to concentrate. I do better when i do internet classes than when i do face to face. I do not do so well on tests unless i can take them home. That is never likely so i just do the best i can. All will be well if we make the decision to do well.
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Posted 08 March 2011 - 12:48 AM
i agree with you in terms that grades should be used in practice and not theory. in the world that we live in today, tests are just another step to get to a higher consitution and better job. it serves as a competency "test".GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - tedsb16
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 11:07 PM
Grades are nothing if they are based on how good you can write theories down in a piece of paper. But they are the most important things when they are based on real life practice. It doesn't matter how good you are at remembering all the theories and notes. Its the real thing that counts. A person with a great degree or something is no good when it comes to real thing if he can not act or is afraid. Then it would be pointless to give him the degree/ grade. Grade should be given solely based on the talent. If a person has a good grade on a subject but cant do the real thing, there is no point is there?
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Posted 12 March 2011 - 09:58 AM
That's quite a interesting viewpoint. I hadn't really thought about it much before but you have swayed my opinion slightly.I disagree a little with your opinion of teaching standards though - There are some practical based subjects (D&T, IST, Textiles, Hospitality, Music), and good teachers will incorporate practice into the theory subjects in order to better their students understanding of certain aspects of a subject.Most subjects test subjects in a theory based test it's true - music however also tests ability to play, and some chemistry tests judge your knowledge and experience of experiments.If tests could somehow determine that a student could put their knowledge into practice, and actually had a full understanding behind the theory, than that would be a better way to determine grades.Someone's academic ability isn't all of their worth - their personality, people skills, tactile skills, creativity and a number of other elements also make up a person's ability to function and perform to their best in their future life and career. That's why scholarships for music, acting, sports, dance, and other areas are a good idea. TAFE can also help those who don't cope well with the school system - a friend of mine has dropped out of school and gone into training at TAFE (it suits him much better and he can cope with the stress load now).Providing people with on-hand training or apprenticeships is also a great thing, and will help those who have trouble in school or have exterior circumstances that make it harder for them.It's possible I've gone slightly off topic here - but that is also a part of any good debate (if only slightly off topic), bringing up ideas that haven't been mentioned yet or that will shed more light on the core topic.
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Posted 12 March 2011 - 10:47 PM
My opinion is that anyone can get good grades if they wanted to; grades are only an indicator of how dedicated you are at following others. I know many highly intelligent people who are not that interested in school work, and walk off into the horizon with nothing more than great common sense.
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Posted 16 March 2011 - 10:34 AM
grades sure the fastest way to determine the level of understanding on some courses, but not the best way. to study, we need to know how good we are in those subject, and our understanding will be a goal of our study. of course, your level of understanding can be higher than your friend, but you get lower grades than them. from my point of view, as long as we understand more, the grades are not so important.
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 01:49 PM
I first of all think that GPA is a very bad grading system.As far as i know, different courses call for different modules.And honestly im in a design course so most modules are drawing oriented.I love drawing which gives me a boost to being motivated to do my work.For engineering students they have math and such which can be a bore and pain to figure out.So when applying for a university its quite dumb as GPA is one of the first things they look for.I believe they should give a entry project to test the capabilities of the student rather than looking at grades.The quality of the submission should then be used to decide a normal from amazing student.Grades really are bad sometimes as friends from other courses might feel inferior.Even when we take different things, they still see the difference in figures.This lower self esteem.
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Grades are BAD!!!! Any dumbass can cheat and score a good grade, true knoledge is found in most life expierences. When one developes a certain skill, we should have the choice to develope that skill rather than wasting our time with shyt we aren't good at.GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - tedsb16
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SAYS THE ONE THAT CANT SPELL DEVELOP, KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE AND **** CORRECTLY LOL I THINK GRADES ARE GOOD BECAUSE ONLY DROPOUTS AND ALCOHOLICS SCORED LOWER THAN B AT MY SCHOOL SO ONLY US WITH HIGH IQ CAN GET GOOD JOBSGPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - tedsb16Grades are BAD!!!! Any dumbass can cheat and score a good grade, true knoledge is found in most life expierences. When one developes a certain skill, we should have the choice to develope that skill rather than wasting our time with shyt we aren't good at.
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Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaps. C'mon dude, it's not that hard. Also not developed enough for the Debates section.
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i feel that grades are there to show us how smart they think we are but there are manny faults in there system like people could cheat or just act stupid and if you try and do bad it makes you feel like crap and if you do good you get made fun for it so grades are just a standard to make fun of people and decided there life for them so i dont like grades but they are helpful in some cases.
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Anyone who says grades aren't important are stupid people who can't get good grades. Unless you're the next Einstein or you're deciphering the Riemannian standard model with a glance, you're going to need good grades to go anywhere in life.GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - tedsb16
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Your argument is quite valid and very well written out. But we live in a world where grades make a big difference. I mean shouldnt those who worked hard to get those perfect grades be rewarded for their hard work? Now I understand that practice is better than theaory, but then again that is only in theory http://www.dgemu.com...tyle_emoticons/default/tongue.gif .You need to understand there are certain things that cannot be practiced, and in certain ways theory is better, in subjects such as math and Biology you need to be able to know the theory quite well before you can even begin the practice.All in all I believe Grades are necessary, however you dont even need to graduate high school to go to community college, and from there you can go to a 4 year university. Grades are important but I do not believe they are as extremely important as you made them out to be.Basing the world off grades is a foolish ideal that only ends in the waste of good talent. Grades are unimportant riffraff that has taken root in our society. The ability to live a healthy life depends solely on how well one's grades were. The system as I have come to see it is this: Get good grades to go to a good college to get a good job and earn lots of money. Do we really wish to base our society off of the interpretations of information spat on to paper? There's is a fine line between theory and practice. In theory I know that the pistons of an engine are powered by the explosions of gasoline inside them. In practice I know not how to build an engine or how using a certain gas with a certain engine could destroy it. Practice is better then theory. One could tell me how an engine works but would it not be better just to have built the engine and shown me? Grades are based on the knowing of a subject not the practice. We do homework to prepare ourselves when homework is nothing but meaningless review. We take tests which are no better then spittoons for our knowledge. One would think it'd be wiser to hire the High School drop out with 5 years of recommendable job experience then a 4.0 GPA student who claimed to have picked up a hammer once. These Grades of ours should be based on Practice rather then Theory. One can know 500 different words in Spanish but also be unable to understand or speak with a Fluent Spaniard. Only a handful base their grading scale this way and thus we turn out students that understand theory instead of workers who understand theory because they understand the practice.This is my stand on this discussion and I await yours.
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Thank you!!Oh, and don't forget people who cheat on their homework, tests, et cetera. If they don't get caught, ever, then they would literally be able to fly through college, and then get a job for, say, a fireman.Then when there's an actual fire...Though, do you really need a college degree to save people from fires?People get one bad grade in lets say, history. History class grades are all about memory, and the only job that you can use history classes for is to be a history teacher. But one very bad grade for something that requires a naturally good memory can't get you in a good college!That's just unfair!It's not like you can gain the ability to remember everything!Okay... I can write a book on this topic, but I think I got the big point across, anyway...
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I agree. The system we use to grade students is extremely flawed. If we changed the teaching and testing system to reflect student's abilities and efforts rather than how great their memorization skills were, then it would be much better. Me being able to memorize my entire history book and getting an A on my history test doesn't necessarily mean that I know anything about history. It just means I've either got a photographic memory or I cheated.
