Edited by kiza19, 04 November 2009 - 05:22 AM.
I removed the polls they were pointless.
do u think it is just, to go to jail for lolicon?
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 01:42 AM
well the question is should you go to jail for lolikon...i think you should not go to jail, cuz lolicon isnt real or ment to be real...no loli would ever want to do that stuff in real life.in real life loli's dont have those big eyes or anime cuteness.and also i think it keeps real people away from real loli's...now what is ur side on this debate... and try to be as detailed as i did( if you can)
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 05:12 AM
As poorly set up as the OP makes this debate, it could lead to interesting discussion. Also, the six polls at the top of the page are annoying.Anyway, commentary on the thread over with, my stance on the issue is that allowing "lolikon" and "toddlerkon" without legal ramification could be a good thing. It's not like the production of such material harms any body, nor does the distribution of it, aside from the harm that regular porn does when it gets into the hands of small children, and those cases are so few and far between, and the "harm" done is marginal, it's really not a big deal.Also, it provides a harmless, victim-less outlet for pedophiles to masturbate on their urges for younger people, which could potentially lead to less child molestation cases. Although, to be honest, this is a rather flimsy argument, because lolikon and toddlerkon is readily available somewhere on the internet, and there are still child molestation cases.Oh, and by the way, how would anyone actually enforce that? I mean, video game piracy is rampant, and the efforts to stop it have turned up as a small little scratch on the problem. Enforcing a "no loli- or toddler-kon" law would basically just be a moot point.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 08:12 AM
Had to look up what lolicon was on wikipedia to understand this debate =PThere are fors and against this argument I believe. There were several cases mentioned on wikipedia.Personally I believe that in no way should children in any way be portrayed as sex objects. Its my express opinion that having sexual thoughts about a child is wrong no matter if it's real or animated. However, a man convicted in Virginia claimed that he stopped collecting real child pornography after he discovered lolicon. If in this case lolicon does help prevent of real child pornography by substituting it with an anime style drawing that satisfies the mind then I would suggest that it is a good media that can help as a method of rehabilitation. Other than as a form of rehabilitation for pedophiles and child pornography, I don't think lolicon is in anyway appropriate. I don't believe you should go to jail for owning or having it because it's an animated picture and not a picture of a real child, but I don't believe the companies producing it should be making it in the first place for sale to the general public because it promotes children as sexual objects. If the company was focused on producing the comics to be used by prisons as a rehabilitation method for pedophiles then that would be fine, but not for sale to the public.
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Posted 21 November 2009 - 04:43 AM
ok, new addition to this debate, do you think that the ppl in the US that have been arrested for loli, do you think that is just?and what do you think about the countrys that HAVE made it illegal (ie canada, britain.) (FYI IT IS STILL LEGAL IN THE UNITED STATES!!!)i thing those countrys are dumb to not realize that this is not real, and isnt ment to be, and it isnt just for them to go to jail for "ART".
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Posted 21 November 2009 - 08:22 AM
You're very, very incorrect on that. Saying it's "still legal" is akin to saying that it never was illegal, which it was from 1996 to 2002.Also, I have questions on the validity of your using the term "art" to describe something which is clearly made for titillation, and not artistic, purposes.Granted, I'm not of the opinion that this hurts any real children, but I'm also not of the opinion that lolicon is artistic in any way.ok, new addition to this debate, do you think that the ppl in the US that have been arrested for loli, do you think that is just?and what do you think about the countrys that HAVE made it illegal (ie canada, britain.) (FYI IT IS STILL LEGAL IN THE UNITED STATES!!!)i thing those countrys are dumb to not realize that this is not real, and isnt ment to be, and it isnt just for them to go to jail for "ART".
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Posted 23 November 2009 - 09:47 AM
Well, lolikon and shotakon are in some sort of way a form of art, although depicting sexual acts on minors.When you think about it, to a certain extent, it does allow some of those pedophiles an alternate way to satisfy their desires, but also might give them new ideas on how to commit some acts if ever they were willing to.Like all form of hentai, it is meant to be viewed and enjoyed by many as a form of art, but also a sexual stimulus for many others.To my opinion, although it is just simply drawings or animations, it still depicts sexual actions and such towards these kids which is wrong. These drawings could possibly also represent a child which the artists knows and reproduce them on paper with sexual actions they would intend on performing if ever they had the will to do so.So for those reasons, I find that making it illegal is not a bad thing to do. It will remove certain ideas that people have from the public.
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Posted 25 November 2009 - 03:16 AM
so you would rather take away loli, so that pedo's dont have a LEGAL outlet?and then they would try to get real CP, or do that inreal life to real kids....
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Posted 25 November 2009 - 09:15 AM
You have to think of it in two ways.Even if we were to leave lolikon intact and legal for pleasuring the pedos, there will still always be child sexual abuse, whether you like it or not.My point is that leaving such art around depicting many more situations that can be fantasized about could eventually lead towards those willing to act on a child to have new ideas (and possibly worse ones) to experiment.
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Posted 25 November 2009 - 12:21 PM
Judging from both this 'debate' you have put up, your comments in it and the poll you posted in a separate thread which contained a 'who would you rather do' question between 2 cartoon characters, one of which was a 12 year old girl, I can guess that you think lolicon is good. I would also guess that you use it on occasion, maybe even quite regularly. I do not think that this disgusting display of children getting raped/fondled or even consensual sex is 'art' in anyway shape or form, nor should it be legal. People who watch this, enjoy it and who decide to masturbate to it most definately have some issues. I believe they should be arrested for viewing this immoral crap; and I don't even consider myself to have particularly strong morals.so you would rather take away loli, so that pedo's dont have a LEGAL outlet?and then they would try to get real CP, or do that inreal life to real kids....
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Posted 25 November 2009 - 07:49 PM
You are also wrong to say that Lolicon is legal. Technically the statute in the U.S. leaves it up to the local communities. The law explains that pornography can only be legal if the logal community does not find it indecent. This means that you would have to find a community where the majority of people had no qualms about Loli.
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Posted 25 November 2009 - 10:24 PM
This is a very touchy subject, and one subject to getting heated very easily. However, I'll share my opinions anyway. Although I do NOT believe that children should EVER be used as sex objects, art is art. There were no children victimized for this, and as they aren't real beings, I think it would be silly to send someone to jail just over looking at these. To argue that someone who views such material would be making the same argument that if someone were to watch simulated rape in pornography that they're more likely to be a potential rapist themselves.
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Posted 27 November 2009 - 07:18 PM
wait isnt this a free country where you cant be judged my your sexuality and sexual interests?im one of that 12% that likes loli, and im sure that percent is larger now than back in the 50's.art can be any thing you want. and i dont like rape loli, no guro loli, just consensual loli!but hey, cant we all get along, no one here is judging any one so why are you starting stuff?
Edited by chizmad, 27 November 2009 - 07:21 PM.
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Posted 17 August 2010 - 05:23 PM
If I may, I would like to point out that even though pedophiles can vent their sexual urges through lolicon/toddlercon, this is only a temporary solution to their problem, as eventually the pornographic material won't satisfy them anymore. I don't think lolicon should be illegal, but I do think that anyone caught in the possession of it should be made to undergo some sort of consequence (i.e, psychiatric evaluation) in order to determine whether or not they are indeed a pedophile. Pedophiles should be monitored in a way that doesn't conflict with their daily lives, but does ensure that any children to come into contact with them are safe. Until they actually commit a crime, they should not go to jail. And lolicon shouldn't be illegal as it does, in some cases, help avert child molestation. But the people involved with the material should be aware that they're taking a risk, and should be prepared to face those consequences.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:56 AM
In my opinion lolicon is an art and it shouldn't matter what the art is but it should matter what it really is.I know that doesn't sound right but basically all that im saying is that making lolicon illegal is like making drawing illegal.Also if its your drawing then you should be able to draw what you want. 
