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Posted 06 January 2010 - 09:56 AM

I think that if you went back in time you couldn't change the past as it has already happened and so anything you do back there would have already happened back in your time's history. So you either are not affecting anything or creating a different time stream to your own. In this case however far you went back would be the present and your original time would be the future and that just complicates matters. :what the fuzzy?: Let me know what you think because i'm sure there are lots of time travelling theories.
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Posted 06 January 2010 - 10:32 AM

Ok, time travelling isn't like what you see in Back To The Future. you can't go back in time change something drastic like killing hitler as a baby, then go back forward in time and see what the effect has.Theoretically, and this is the same idea presented in H G Wells the time machine, that the reason you can't change the past, using the movie as an example (mild spoilers), your girlfriend dies, you're so distraught that you build a time machine, you go back in time to save her life, but even if you save her from one death, she will die another way. The reason being? If your girlfriend never died, you would never have had a reason to build a time machine, therefore it would never be built, and you wouldn't be able to go back and save her. therefore if you never went back to save her, she dies.This, however is the theory if time itself is a straight line.Say for example that changing the past spawns an alternate timeline, as seen in the anime Dragon Ball Z, the new Star Trek film (2009). The theories in those conclude that you don't change the future where you came from, you create an alternate reality.In my opinion I agree with The Time Machine, you cannot change the past, even if you could time travel.
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Posted 06 January 2010 - 10:59 AM

Don't forget the grandfather paradox.Also, it is (theoretically) possible to accelerate time using a tl;dr explanation.But who knows, 200 years ago people said it'd take us 1,000 years to even attempt flight. Hell, we've even successfully used teleportation (though it was only the size of a virus and was only teleported about a meter, but still.)
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Posted 06 January 2010 - 05:26 PM

Yep, basically, I think that, because of grandad paradox, you cannot transform what is gonna happen.But I really think that, one you get back and change some details in the past, you don't make another future, but another parallel world which has its own timeline. It is the case in DBZ right, but also in "SLIDERS" (tv show). Every kind of world visited by the team is another POSSIBILITY of a realityIt may be possible that another world, another reality, is created each time a choice is made.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 06:19 PM

Well, I honestly don't even believe in the idea of 'time' as most people do. I think there is just 'current time'. The whole concept of time as we know it is just a measure of change. But little by little its evolved into this concept of something that exists in the 'past' and stuff in the future. Without going on to talk about it more which is off topic I will reply to this thread.If time does exist and a past does exist that can be travelled back to i believe that nothing can be changed. If somehting happened (such as your girlfriend being killed) you go back in time and she will die in the same circumstance. Your very trying to save her may actually be what kills her. Or it may be that you are powerless to change it. Either way she will die in the exact same way. In the same way you would be unable to kill anyone that would ever have some sort of effect on your life.In fact to take it further, you would be unable to change ANYTHING. It has already happened and therefore the most effect you can ever have on history is causing what actually happened (with the idea that it wouldn't have happened without you doing it). While this sounds counter-intuitive, likely before time travel was invented things went another way and the current history that you know of is actually the result of the first of an infinite loop of you travelling back in time to change it. Of course then you bring up the paradox that it was changed the first time, so why can't it be changed again. And then we should all realise that this stuff is stupid. Time simply the measure of change, the measure of the vibration of atoms in a piece of quartz. Time slows down near a black hole? Sure, if this was anything other than pure theory it could be true, the vibration and the ways of measuring the passage of 'time' could slow down. My heart goes slower when I sleep, does that mean my heart is in a slower time stream? No.
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Posted 13 January 2010 - 06:29 AM

Not really, because your presence in the past may cause you to lose your place in the present when you get back. I think that is a huge risk.GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - Kiba
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Posted 15 January 2010 - 10:32 PM

i think its limited. i think you could go back, and alter certain things, but nothing that would ultimately result in your not going back in time. as long as it didnt affect you, you could change it. that being said, you wouldnt really have much of a reason to change time in the first place then, huh?
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Posted 15 January 2010 - 11:28 PM

Physics would dictate that.. No. No you cannot. While it is theoretically possible to travel to and from in time you cannot change the past as it has already happened. If and variable to the past were amended then it is no longer the same slice of reality and hence forth the future which would acour from said change would be different. the reality in which wyou travled from would still exist and that version of yourself would continue to experience life as it were. the future you would then go forth towords would be different either drammatically or with subtle touches. Try all you might but you can never really change whats already been done. You can only redirect it,but the future YOU came from would still exist the way it was. Its like Back to the Future but all the different verisions are still on the shelf.

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Posted 16 January 2010 - 06:25 AM

but you know, thats assuming that going into the past doesnt already change it... if you go back in time, you, in essence, remove yourself from the timeline, effectively ending your existence and life's hold over you. but then you re-emerge somewhere else... it could be said that in that instant, you are reborn, in a manner of speaking... and become an entirely different piece of reality... that being said, if you went back in time, and then back to the future, without changing anything... would it be the same reality you return to? if everything happens for a reason, then time cannot be changed.. but if chaos theory holds true, then merely going back in time would change everything and anything simultaneously. basically, you'd be "re-rolling" life.but of course, thats also assuming that when you travel through time, your OWN timeline isnt affected... your own life. would your body reverse age? i seem to be rambling now... but i might just come back here. but i;ve always said this... what if you went back in time and stopped your own birth. the answer i always get is grandfather paradox...
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When was the start of all this?
When did the cogs of fate begin to turn?

Perhaps it is impossible to grasp that answer now,
From deep within the flow of time...

But for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst or laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...

Will there ever be an age without a war...?
Dreams and magic have no meaning without a civilized world...
The ignorant ones always strive for power, never realizing that what lies beyond is despair...
But maybe they will bring with them hope, and show us a new way of life...
God bless the visitors from the land of dreams and magic...
And glory to the soldiers of light who will lead us to the new world.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 04:55 PM

I don't think you could go back in time ,Yes it is a dream some ppl have to go back in time and change something but ppl have to realize whats done is done. THo there are a couple of things i would like to change if i could. 1 i would tell them not to make the movie Speed so Speed 2 would never come out.2 i would pick winning ticket numbers.GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - Kiba
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Posted 17 July 2010 - 04:05 AM

change the past?Wish i could.. But i dont think that we should disturb the course of historyyou cant change the past but you can change the future..instead of undoing the past for your mistakes you can just hope that u dont do it again in the future so you wont have to wish yourself going back to the past and change things..GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - Kiba
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Posted 21 July 2010 - 12:42 PM

Ok excuse me if this is not explained well, but i will do my best.I have this crazy theory, that if you could fly fast enough to a part of the world that was in a timezone behind your own, you would effectively be going back in time! does that make any sense, maybe someone slightly more knowledgable could elaborate.For me to be able to explain this theory i would need to understand physics better i guess but below is a link to wikipedia with all sorts of complex explanations for time travel.http://en.wikipedia....iki/Time_travel(ps: is it ok for me to copy and paste links? as i checked rules but couldnt find anything about it there)
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Posted 21 July 2010 - 02:44 PM

Well if we were to take this scientifically... We have to travel at the speed of light to even remotely be able to travel in time. Which will result in us disintegrating even if it were technically possible.Rather than changing the past, for me I would rather develop time travelling as a tourist industry, like you are able to travel back in time to see relics and view history in the making but you would not be able to make any changes.I believe in butterfly effects.. like you might think you only made a small change but then it will snowball into something uncontrollable and you try to rectify it and it becomes even worse.Sides if time travelling and going back into the past were possible wou;dn't the future already have visited us and passed on the knowledge to us? If the future has the technology to time travel they are certainly doing a very good job of keeping the whole thing hushed up...
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Posted 21 July 2010 - 03:03 PM

Sides if time travelling and going back into the past were possible wou;dn't the future already have visited us and passed on the knowledge to us? If the future has the technology to time travel they are certainly doing a very good job of keeping the whole thing hushed up...

I love this thought on this subject...very clever :hitler:The tourist industry thing would definately be fantastic, have always thought history fascinating!And yes your right we would have to travel faster than the speed of light.......so much for my theory there. GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - Superfast Jellyfish
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 10:03 PM

I don't believe so due to the so-called grandfather paradox. Basically, presupposition of almost all time travel stories is that each point along a time line is in some sense existent now, even the future points. This provides a conceptual basis for allowing us to visit a time point in the same way that we might visit a space point in ordinary experience. Einstein may have reinforced our comfort with this view by taking seriously the notion of time as another dimension very much like the spatial dimensions we are already familiar with.There are several different standard attempts to resolve or avoid the paradox. The most standard is to ignore it. By sending someone far enough into the past, we do not know what influence that person will have and thus for all we know the person caused the world as we know it today. Another way to avoid the paradox is to state up front that we cannot change the past. There are different versions of this thesis. One is that we can go back and participate in a past causal chain but only in the way that already happened and the other way is to go back merely as an observer.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 02:23 AM

I think that if I had returned to the past, I would have changed the specific event I wanted to, however this means that if, theoretically speaking, there is only one universe that has only one reality in it, it means that once I come back to the future, I me what I wanted in the first place because of its influence and thus in my opinion, if I went back in time, I could change the past but also the future will discover that the changed event caused the future I'd known before to change, meaning that the change that has already been made in the past won't affect my present life in the way I wanted it to.
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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:51 AM

i Belive so because when you go back in time and you do somthing diffrent than what you did before you could possibly change the future.GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - jamzemu
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Posted 11 September 2010 - 12:38 PM

There is the multiverse explanation. You could change the past, but when you return to the future, you aren't returning to the Universe you came from. You're returning to the future of a different Universe, one where let's say Hitler never existed.May I just make one point that I came across when thinking about alternate Universes. Let's say you could go back in time and change an outcome and then return to your present and see the changes. There are some things that just won't change. For example, I've seen many an American cartoon or American show that somehow think that if the Americans never won the War of Independence, they'd still be under British rule today. But if you look at other nations that used to be under British rule, you'll realise that this isn't the case. After World War II, British colonial rule became more unstable and financially difficult. Many nations were granted independence. I do believe that if you go back in time and prevented America from winning the War then that would only delay America's independence, not prevent it.And that illustrates the next point I wanted to come up with.The world is so complex with so many things happening, I doubt you'd be able to change anything. You stop Hitler from being born. Fine. That doesn't stop the anti-Semites from existing. Heck, that doesn't even stop the Nazi eugenics agenda, because America was practising eugenics long before Nazi Germany was. Change one thing nad something else might happen that would return the timeline to reasonably normal. Sure, nobody might have heard of Hitler, but a Glöder might have risen to power (a nod to Stephen Fry's book Making History) might have risen to power and he might have been worse or just the same.
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Posted 14 September 2010 - 04:50 PM

of course it cant be possible! first we can't go in the past because past is past (:laugh:) and there's not a system to came back in the story and it wouldn't never be! god has given us the possibility to think and to doing experiments but he has put a limit to our intelligency.and second if there were a system to came back to the past all people would change thier life and no one would rest in the actual present!of course if i had the possibility i was the first who came to past but it's not fair!because everyone had the chance to make their life as they want and if they've made mistakes it's their folk!past isn't a thing that could be changed because if we find a system to came back when everyone do a mistake he or she says: but i can turn back in the past this is what i think. that's why people are not allowed to turn back to pastGPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - Kiba
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 05:33 PM

I really think that, one you get back and change some details in the past, you don't make another future, but another parallel world which has its own timeline. It is the case in DBZ right, but also in "SLIDERS" (tv show). Every kind of world visited by the team is another POSSIBILITY of a realityGPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - THE GRAND GALACTIC INQUISITOR
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 02:51 AM

I don't think so. Because what happened, happened. Otherwise, you wouldn't have to memories that you have. If you changed it, then you might disappear or grow a beard or whatever. I just don't think it's possible to change the past even if you could go back in time.GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - Kiba
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 05:16 AM

I think that if you were to change little things in the past that they would change, Like the movie The Butterfly Effect. Each time he went back he changed something to change his future. But if you were to change something drastic then I think tat everything would change and that you would no longer exist due to the extreme change in your present future.
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Posted 05 December 2010 - 06:59 PM

Time travel is a new concept, and it can be harmful and beneficial in many ways. A good person can probably stop, for example, Lincoln's assassination, while a bad person could probably kill a famous leader. As mentioned in "The Twilight Zone," time only allows certain aspects of it to be changed, but not huge life-changing changes. For example, you can't stop John Wilkes Booth from assassinating Abraham Lincoln, because this is a big part of our history, and doing so will set back the events that would come. But helping an insignificant person from the past, could be done, since this is a minor change, something that wouldn't drastically change the future.So, I wouldn't touch time travel. Who knows what problems might happen if I went back? What if I accidentally stop my great-great-grandfather from meeting my great-great-grandmother? And that's where the problem arises.
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 02:24 AM

Time travel is a new concept, and it can be harmful and beneficial in many ways. A good person can probably stop, for example, Lincoln's assassination, while a bad person could probably kill a famous leader. As mentioned in "The Twilight Zone," time only allows certain aspects of it to be changed, but not huge life-changing changes. For example, you can't stop John Wilkes Booth from assassinating Abraham Lincoln, because this is a big part of our history, and doing so will set back the events that would come. But helping an insignificant person from the past, could be done, since this is a minor change, something that wouldn't drastically change the future.So, I wouldn't touch time travel. Who knows what problems might happen if I went back? What if I accidentally stop my great-great-grandfather from meeting my great-great-grandmother? And that's where the problem arises.

Depending on which time travel theory you subscribe to, traveling back in time opens up an alternate reality. According to one theory, there exist an infinite amount of alternate universes made from every outcome to every choice by every creature to ever exist. So, assuming backward time travel is possible, you would actually end up in a parallel universe, so any changes you made would affect that universe rather than your own. This would also answer the question "If backwards time travel was possible, then how come nobody from the future has ever been here?"Of course, this raises several questions. Would another you be "you" in a given parallel universe, or would you only come into existence when you arrived? How would you get back to your own reality, since many forward time travel theories rely on time dilation rather than an alternate universe theory? How would you know which reality was the one you wanted to go to? What would the power requirements be to travel to another universe?There are dozens of theories on backwards time travel, but none of them are even close to solid, and all depend on many other, for the time being, unprovable theories.
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 06:34 AM

In my own opinion, changing the past could result in a timeline fusion. In other words as I see it, going back will bring everything with it. Thus creating two of everything, everything being in the location it was at the time before merging. However, I know that is flawed as we don't know a precise result of sending things to the past.GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - jamzemu
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