I personally think that when a Christian commits suicide, they have already separated themelves from him and turned to evil, if they are driven enough to mutilate God's creation and commit murder-of themselves. Don't tell me that you can't turn away from God when you are a Christian. Matthew 6:14, “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.” When you don't forgive people and go into depression, commit suicide and die, God will not forgive you. Even Paul knew this; he says in 1 Corinthians 9:27, “No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.” You can be disqualified from the prize (eternal life in heaven), if you don't forgive (in suicidal depression), so you go to hell when you commit suicide. What do you think?
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 05:27 AM
I'm pretty sure that when Christians commit suicide their ordinary bodily functions cease and they die. Because of this their consciousness also ceases while the rest of the world goes on as it's wont to do.If you're talking about scriptural support for a particular conclusion as to whatever form your hypothetical afterlife takes, then it's much less clear. Some Christians don't believe in an immortal soul, which is tied to lack of belief in heaven or hell (as traditionally envisaged) since they don't accept a body/soul dualism. This can be supported by scripture, which makes sense since the old testament wasn't really concerned with the afterlife, there wasn't an easily outlined way to meet god after death, and nothing like hell was ever mentioned. The old testament provided incentives mostly through outlining various stories that had a sort of weird just world fallacy built into it, which makes sense if you think of the various sources and their agendas. Except for the story of Job, it mostly seems to have been "good things happen if you obey god, bad things happen if you don't". The new testament is very telling in how foreign ideas had contaminated religious thought, Jesus dealt with various demons, which were actually foreign gods, the idea of a "pit" where the damned are sentenced is very similar to the idea of Tartarus, and John even specifically mentions the logos to appeal to a wider audience.
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 10:05 PM
since this is the debate session i would like to say that they do not go to heaven or hell, they just rot in the ground because they are simply just a corpse of a past human being.. sorry if you are a die hard christian but nothing happens when you die. 
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Posted 18 March 2011 - 06:27 AM
I simply believe that everyone is in charge of their own life, "god" gave people the gift of free will, that means we have the right to decide whether to keep our lives, or end it. Although the whole reason behind suicide varies, you cannot say that they rot in hell for taking their lives. The key word in this is, THEIR lives, not "god's" lives. If he decides if we go to heaven or hell, who's to say he decides whether we commit suicide or not? who's to say he didn't plan for it to happen?
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Posted 18 March 2011 - 06:54 AM
God does not decide whether you go to heaven or hell. You do. God want's all of us to go to join him in heaven, but we must be judged, for he is infinitely just. This would mean we all burn in hell, except for Jesus, who took the punishment for all our sins so that we may go to heaven despite our sins, but only if we accept Jesus as our savior and God as our Lord. We choose to accept him, and enter, or we deny him, and walk away into hell.I simply believe that everyone is in charge of their own life, "god" gave people the gift of free will, that means we have the right to decide whether to keep our lives, or end it. Although the whole reason behind suicide varies, you cannot say that they rot in hell for taking their lives. The key word in this is, THEIR lives, not "god's" lives. If he decides if we go to heaven or hell, who's to say he decides whether we commit suicide or not? who's to say he didn't plan for it to happen?
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Posted 18 March 2011 - 05:55 PM
The way that it was explained to me was that when a person is "saved" in the Christian faith, he or she is saved from every sin they've ever committed, are currently committing and ever will commit. Because of that, suicide is just like any other sin and thus, if someone is "saved" and commits suicide then he or she is forgiven of that sin and goes to Heaven.
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Posted 19 March 2011 - 10:26 AM
i'm approaching this from an former Christian's opinion on faith. The way i see sin now is drastic from your view, but i still believe in the goodness of most people. The way suicide is shown is in a overly negative tone because of many people that went through this, and the way Japanese soldiers and samurais took this path and from our point of view they seemed desperate, willing to lose planes just to make sure they have a naval victory and to ensure that they aren't captured. The recent groups of people that take suicide make it seem obscure and appropriate for the mentally insane. People make cults all centered on the belief that you'll be saved and even joined with thier loved ones. The few "holy" cults that are commonly known such as the davidian branch members and the Jones cult center in Africa that ended in multiple deaths. Nothing in these extreme examples seem to show that suicide is a sin, but a motor that people rig into each other. There's a video about this from a person like me that came from a formal religion. The historical view is that it's not a sin, but recently there's a higher value on life today including unborn children that i wish to see become someone important and suicide seems like a "sin" to me because of the value of life is a bigger plus than a shortening of one's life just for a message that seems seedy and contradictory.Don't judge me because i'm not completely religious, but i have honestly contemplated the value of life and just like alot of Christians i seek to benefit people Religious or not.
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Posted 19 March 2011 - 07:49 PM
As a theological scholar, I will have to say that you go to either hell or purgatory. If you commit suicide for personal gain, i.e. to go to heaven very fast, then you will go to hell for greed. But if you commit suicide for just being sad, you might as well go to purgatory. Either way, try not to go to hell. 
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 06:57 AM
It is my understanding that suicide is an offense against God. In Acts 1:16-18: it is written " and said, "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus--he was one of our number and shared in this ministry." (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out."I can hardly think that judas went anywhere other than hell.
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 01:31 PM
I think we go to hell if we do that.In a way i guess its throwing away life that god gave you.The sad thing is not always will the person have a physical being to lsiten to their problems and this is a reason for many deaths by suicide.
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Posted 06 April 2011 - 04:33 AM
I am a Mormon, and I know some churches see suicide as an unforgivable sin, we do not. We do have two unforgivable sins but suicide is not one of them. In my opinion God is benevolent and forgiving and would definetly forgive us for making mistakes that might have been triggered by psychological/psychiatric problems we have during our life as living beings.
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Posted 08 April 2011 - 07:03 PM
You would most definitely go to hell, not to judge or anything because its a fact. I belive that God would see suicide as "Giving up on him" or "Giving up on yourself". It doesnt matter why a person would want to do it. As a christian you are a living vessel; a member of a body of christians. Killing your self would almost be like murder. Your body is a temple and killing yourself would be like destroying that temple and to cure it with eternal damnation. I hope I helped. (dont kill yourself-spread the word)I am a Mormon, and I know some churches see suicide as an unforgivable sin, we do not. We do have two unforgivable sins but suicide is not one of them. In my opinion God is benevolent and forgiving and would definetly forgive us for making mistakes that might have been triggered by psychological/psychiatric problems we have during our life as living beings.
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Posted 08 April 2011 - 08:15 PM
So would you say that someone who commits suicide over something as trivial as money would still go to heaven? Or someone who did it just to see if there's an afterlife?There's not much to debate, it's either a sin, or it isn't. It's either right or wrong. I can't tell you about christianity, but I can tell you that in Islam, those who commit suicide go to hell, provided that person was mentally stable.I am a Mormon, and I know some churches see suicide as an unforgivable sin, we do not. We do have two unforgivable sins but suicide is not one of them. In my opinion God is benevolent and forgiving and would definetly forgive us for making mistakes that might have been triggered by psychological/psychiatric problems we have during our life as living beings.
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 06:20 PM
God is forgiving. if Christians commit suicide god will forgive them. those who do commit suicide dont separated themselves from him & dont go to hell. they go to heaven.GPs were deducted for this post, please read the rules! - tedsb16
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 03:04 AM
I'm not gonna feel bad because one christian died. If it was some normal guy who wasn't known nobody would talk about him...and quiet frankly i'm more interested in that guy...besides hes fine if hes a christian he in God's hands now right? Then again they say suicide will cause you to go to hell.
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