FF was the best rpg released on psx and suikoden doesn't even come close to beating it
Suikoden Series
Started by Shion Uzuki, May 14 2005 01:24 PM
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"I'm not going there to die. I'm going to see if I'm really alive."
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 07:43 AM
You wasted a post on saying that Final Fantasy is superiour to Suikoden even though everyone that has posted in this thread disagrees with you.
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 11:47 AM
Hey... don't argue here...Anyway the long history of suikoden is really interesting.If anyone has latest news in Suikoden just post here.Any site that gives info bout Suikoden
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 05:06 PM
Here's alittle newsKomani applied for a trademark with the US patent office for the term Suikoden Tactics. Not really any details as of yet.No offical word from Komani yet but fan sites have been surfacing about Rhapsodia, a Suikoden strategy rpg. This could be the Suikoden Tactics. As for a location for the next Suikoden it could anywhere from the Queendom of Falena, Harmonia (doubtful of this) or the Nameless Lands.Hey... don't argue here...Anyway the long history of suikoden is really interesting.If anyone has latest news in Suikoden just post here.Any site that gives info bout Suikoden
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 06:37 PM
It'd be nice if you could actually go to Harmonia for once...((Note: I haven't played Suikoden for more than 2 minutes, so I wouldn't know if you venture to harmonia on that game...))Oh, and it would be cool if you could choose between a male or female character...Kinda like suiko 3, but only 2 char choices. Having more than that would be cool, but, I'm trying to be more realistic with this. Also, it would be cool if the main char had a unite/combo/??? with everyoneHere's alittle newsKomani applied for a trademark with the US patent office for the term Suikoden Tactics. Not really any details as of yet.No offical word from Komani yet but fan sites have been surfacing about Rhapsodia, a Suikoden strategy rpg. This could be the Suikoden Tactics. As for a location for the next Suikoden it could anywhere from the Queendom of Falena, Harmonia (doubtful of this) or the Nameless Lands.Hey... don't argue here...Anyway the long history of suikoden is really interesting.If anyone has latest news in Suikoden just post here.Any site that gives info bout Suikoden
Not getting my hopes up or anything though...
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Posted 08 July 2005 - 01:05 AM
Maybe in the 5th Suikoden, your character could be deeply customisable? You know, you could choose what the hero looked like and weapons that he or she uses.
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Posted 08 July 2005 - 01:30 AM
Customized hero = no set character interaction = no plot relevance = suck.
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Posted 08 July 2005 - 01:45 AM
The Queendom of Falena would be intersting. Colossuems, Sindar Ruins, Dragon Knights... Think of the possibilities!
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Posted 08 July 2005 - 01:47 AM
This will depend on if they do something like that. It's very easy to make a character with no set interaction but just as easy to do the opposite. All you need to do is have two different stories: one male, the other female. Bam. To make it successful all Komani would need to do is streamline an idea like that, for example: 4 male and female 'avatars'(for lack of a better term) and let the player customize one by being able to change the color of the character's clothes, hair, etc. Then allow the player to choose their weapon and names for it.Customized hero = no set character interaction = no plot relevance = suck.
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Posted 08 July 2005 - 02:35 AM
Customization of the character? not bad however.... the suikoden is fixed, it's history based. So it might be a conflict for the Suikoden RPG makers.But I hope the next series's character is a swordwielder.
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Posted 08 July 2005 - 11:37 AM
Oh come on..... this has been beaten to death to no avail. NO ONE knows as to where the next suikoden will be situated. Besides, instead of asking yourselves as to WHERE it will be situated, a better question would be WHEN will it be situated?Right now though, it can be one of the unexplored lands, a completely new region (such as the Eastern Continent) or even one of the lands we've been to before. The emergence of the Scarlet Moon Empire would definitely be an interesting era to explore. Perhaps the war between Han and Genkaku even or the other side of Tinto and the Grasslands. For the time being there is no news as to Where, When and Who will appear in Suikoden V. The only certain thing is that we'll see Leknaat again.... and probably Jeane and Viki too. :unsure:As for Rhapsodia, it will be a tactical version of Suikoden so I guess you can compare it to Final Fantasy Tactics in a way, although I'd attribute its creation due to the recent (in the past few years) popular outbreak of tactics based games.
) based on parts of Chinese history. If it was fixed, we'd have Chinese only names without dragons nor runes among many other kick donkey things that makes Suikoden what it is. :)It'd be nice to have further customization options such as the old system of SIX characters per team and perhaps letting the hero pick amongst one of two or three different classes perhaps. Further customization would just destroy the story IMHO.
Erm, there are no Dragon Knights in Falena. No official news about them have been released that is. If someone told you that, you've been duped. They've got Colosseum, Gladiators, Sindar Ruins and some strange clan that follows a mythical red bird (phoenix anyone?).Finally on the issue of customization.... not gonna happen. Don't see that happening for quite a while. If customization was easy to set up and run throughout the game we'd see it in loads of games by now, but you wouldn't get as attached to the characters anyway. I mean think about it..... say you play as a Green Haired Tir McDohl with a pink bandana and someone else posts pictures of his hero who looks like a brown haired Jowy with a yellow shirt claiming that this is your hero. It kind of kills the whole story aspect, which in my eyes is what suikoden is all about.Oh and suikoden isn't FIXED and based on history. It is LOOSELY (key wordThe Queendom of Falena would be interesting. Colosseum, Sindar Ruins, Dragon Knights... Think of the possibilities!
) based on parts of Chinese history. If it was fixed, we'd have Chinese only names without dragons nor runes among many other kick donkey things that makes Suikoden what it is. :)It'd be nice to have further customization options such as the old system of SIX characters per team and perhaps letting the hero pick amongst one of two or three different classes perhaps. Further customization would just destroy the story IMHO.
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Posted 08 July 2005 - 02:01 PM
actually, the only place where the suikoden saga shows it flaws are in suikoden 1 and 2, wherein the main character doesnt do conversation on its own. this in turn creates a numb sensation, that the main character is nothing but a pawn, and not the main figure, of the storyline that is being presented. besides that, the suikoden saga is almost flawless.
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Posted 08 July 2005 - 05:38 PM
Actually it's quite the opposite. The main character still has to 'decide' what to buy at a shop, etc. and you know it's not done by telepathy. There's just a few spots where you do decide what the hero does say, the best being when normally all the stars are gathered before the final battle and you get to see the hero say something along the lines of 'victory'.As for the Queendom, I don't think there are Dragon Knights there but it wouldn't surprise me if a questing one would pop up, you don't really expect one in Suikoden 3 but then one pops up. The Queendom does sound like an interesting place to do a Suikoden-after all it is on it's own continent.actually, the only place where the suikoden saga shows it flaws are in suikoden 1 and 2, wherein the main character doesnt do conversation on its own. this in turn creates a numb sensation, that the main character is nothing but a pawn, and not the main figure, of the storyline that is being presented. besides that, the suikoden saga is almost flawless.
Edited by Ninjahop, 08 July 2005 - 05:41 PM.
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Posted 09 July 2005 - 12:37 AM
How about.... the fifth series is about ending the Harmonian country or looking for the secrets of Sindar. Or maybe... after a long time, all 27 true runes come together for a reason.
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Posted 09 July 2005 - 02:36 AM
Well, Georg from Suikoden 2 was a former knight of the Queendom and as Ninjahop said, it would free up an entirely new continent to explore. One thing with suikoden 2 is when you went to Gregminster it feels like you've seen it all before because it seems to feel like you've done it before.
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Posted 09 July 2005 - 02:42 AM
Gregminster is where you start and often come back to in Suikoden. That's why if you go there in Suikoden you can get Tir again. (McDohl)Tir and Riou have very limited speech in the games, but whatever, I don't think it takes away that much because Suikoden storylines effect a huge picture, and much less individual heroes, which is the way war is.Well, Georg from Suikoden 2 was a former knight of the Queendom and as Ninjahop said, it would free up an entirely new continent to explore. One thing with suikoden 2 is when you went to Gregminster it feels like you've seen it all before because it seems to feel like you've done it before.
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Posted 09 July 2005 - 03:28 AM
I wonder when all the 27 true runes will be identified.anyhow, who do you think is the most powerful character in Suikoden.In terms, of power, smarts, and character.
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Posted 09 July 2005 - 05:03 AM
Well we know alot of runes so far:Circle RuneBeast runeTrue Elemental Runes (Fire, Lightning, Earth, Wind)GateSoul EaterRune of the BeginningPunishmentDragon RuneBlue MoonEightfold (yuber's)NightSovereignChange(this one is interesting because it's supposed to belong to the leader of the sindar)16 so farAs for the most powerful character(s):1.power-Mcdohl mainly because he was very very balanaced and that awsome rune (one hit kills)2.smarts-probally shu3.character-i would probally say viktor, luc or yuber4.personal favs-pesmerga(they need a final battle between him and yuber), clive and laknaat not to mention any of the ninjasI wonder when all the 27 true runes will be identified.anyhow, who do you think is the most powerful character in Suikoden.In terms, of power, smarts, and character.
Note on Harmonia and Hikusaak-we know what he looks like and we already know he's trying to get the runes (using clones as vessals because a person can only hold one true rune) but it looks like he's paitent since he's already over 450 years old.
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Posted 09 July 2005 - 05:18 AM
Mazus and Crowley, are the most powerful, easily. Based on their abilities, Crowley has 100 runes emblazened on his body, and Mazus can still fight him, so think of how insanely powerful they would have to be?
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Posted 09 July 2005 - 08:53 AM
The most powerful IMO is Tir McDohl, since his rune governs life and death. (My personal favorite)The most powerful in terms of strength (IMO) is a tie between Viktor and Hallec.The most smartest is tied (again!) between Shu, Leon, Albert, and Mathiu. (sorry Caesar)The most interesting character is Luc.
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Posted 09 July 2005 - 11:15 AM
I'm going to have to completely disagree with you here. Suikoden is an complicated saga that can be enjoyed by the youngest of kids, but it also contains hidden messages and events that take a little more intelligence and thought than most of the other RPGs (or games for that matter) out there. This shines through more so in the first two Suikoden games than anywhere else and do bear in mind that the silent hero was the norm at the time of the release of the first and second Suikoden.The heroes of both I and II say much more than is revealed in the actual games, but back then there was no need for the player to state his options. It's like when Nanami turns towards Riou (Suiko II hero) and asks him something, only to give a come back a second later. The hero actually had to have said something, but the text just didn't show. Its like in every other RPG game when you just approach a person and they pour their hearts out to you, without you saying a word. It is assumed that you are in fact talking to them and this happens in ALL the RPGs available today. The only difference with some modern ones is that certain parts of the game have voiceovers to make the character more talkative.actually, the only place where the suikoden saga shows it flaws are in suikoden 1 and 2, wherein the main character doesnt do conversation on its own. this in turn creates a numb sensation, that the main character is nothing but a pawn, and not the main figure, of the storyline that is being presented. besides that, the suikoden saga is almost flawless.
Well its on a DIFFERENT continent. We can only hope that there are more nations on that continent too. ;)The most powerful person WAS Luca Blight hands down. He managed to hold his own against entire armies. It is well known that all 27 True Runes are equal in power so no matter who has them, they'll be pretty much the same power wise. Crowley and Mazus are great magicians and can conjure up great spells, but you don't see either of them taking on Barbarossa or Luca. They're good magicians, but not the most powerful. Heck.... most true rune owners could probably smash them, simply because neither of the two carries a true rune. Luca was able to decimate everyone with no help from the runes and it took thousands to take him down (including a load of arrows).Leon would win best tactician with ease (there is a long explanation about this one) but for wisest, it would be a toss up between Leknaat, Windy, Sierra (the oldest known person) and Hikusaak (the second oldest know person). Stoldt (the Harmonian blind tactician who set up the Stoldt Academy) could be a competitive force for Leon in terms of strategy, but only he would be capable of matching him in terms of strategy.Powerful in terms of strength or brute force, once again Luca Blight. Nuff said.I don't quite get what you mean powerful in terms of "character" so you'll have to elaborate on that one a little.As for favorites.... well each game has around 200 or more characters (not just SoD) so its kind of hard to answer this question. I have about 50 or so favorites and I have yet to meet a true Suikoden fan who has any less.As for the Queendom, I don't think there are Dragon Knights there but it wouldn't surprise me if a questing one would pop up, you don't really expect one in Suikoden 3 but then one pops up. The Queendom does sound like an interesting place to do a Suikoden-after all it is on it's own continent.
Just go through the games and I'm sure you'll end up with a HUGE list.
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Posted 09 July 2005 - 12:52 PM
Character - "The qualities of a leader, responsible, dedicated, and stuff like that."
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yeah, I'd have to agree with you on Luca Blight. I barely beat that guy. He was THE hardest boss I've ever fought. And you fight him with three teams!!! Not to mention all those arrows...I barely beat him with my main team,(which really wasn't all that 'main' cause I thought that it would matter whether the first two teams survived or not, so my strongest characters were spread out among the teams...) It amazed me when I found out that he wasn't using a true rune. Until I read your post, I thought he just had a true rune, but, now that I think about it, the beast rune was being held back, so, that was ALL Luca's own power... 
Hmm...smarts would have to be Shu. Leon WAS a pretty intelligent strategist, but...Shu beat him, mainly because Leon assumed that Shu was a coward. Which is something a strategist should NEVER do...assume...Character - well...that's really a tough one...In my opinion, the main character off of Suikoden 2 fits that description...He's a leader, responsible, dedicated, heroic, brave, kind, the list goes on and on...but, that's just how I viewed him.Personal fav for me - Emily off Suikoden 3. I got her to get 16 or more hits in a turn! Needless to say, any enemy that wasn't immune to physical damage, and even a couple bosses, died in one turn from her lightning fast fists :guns: Her only downfall, one single spell could EASILY kill her...
Hmm...smarts would have to be Shu. Leon WAS a pretty intelligent strategist, but...Shu beat him, mainly because Leon assumed that Shu was a coward. Which is something a strategist should NEVER do...assume...Character - well...that's really a tough one...In my opinion, the main character off of Suikoden 2 fits that description...He's a leader, responsible, dedicated, heroic, brave, kind, the list goes on and on...but, that's just how I viewed him.Personal fav for me - Emily off Suikoden 3. I got her to get 16 or more hits in a turn! Needless to say, any enemy that wasn't immune to physical damage, and even a couple bosses, died in one turn from her lightning fast fists :guns: Her only downfall, one single spell could EASILY kill her...
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 12:48 PM
Wow, that's a very specific.Anyway, does anyone have any latest news in Suiko?
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 05:44 AM
Look on page 6, that was about the newest info for the suikoden series.The only weak part about the Luca battle was at the time you fight him (alittle after the first half of the game) you don't really have too many characters(I think only Luc have any level 4 rune powers) and if you would fight him at the characters at the end he wouldn't have really done any damage or be that difficult. He was probally one of the most annoying fights in the game.Wow, that's a very specific.Anyway, does anyone have any latest news in Suiko?
