About the your comment in Suiko 4, my friend said the same thing.
Suikoden Series
Started by Shion Uzuki, May 14 2005 01:24 PM
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Posted 28 September 2005 - 03:37 AM
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Posted 28 September 2005 - 11:21 AM
Well, I'm going to speak from my personal experiences, which coincidentally happens to be the way many others feel too. Suikoden I was a great game when it first came out, although the advertising or lack thereof somewhat killed this great saga before it even began. Suikoden I was supposed to be the first and last game created. Three years later however, some genius suddenly said "Let's make Suikoden II" and Voila... a legend of a game was born (perfection in my eyes). The fatal flaw for Suikoden II was that like it's predecessor it lacked any advertising, unlike it's massive rival FFVIII and FFIX, which by this point were hugely anticipated due to the success of FFVII.The first two games were simply brilliant and for the most part anyone who was willing to play through them would agree. A few years ago, the game made the transition to Playstation2 and many expected a FFX rival (well those that heard of and played the game). This time around though, there was slightly more advertising and word got around. The game on it's own was a masterpiece (although you REALLY have to play quite a way in to realize this and the order in which you play is also rather essential in regards to the enjoyment factor... well... I think so at least), but compared to it's earlier counterparts it just lacked that certain something. It lost the 2D charm it once had and certain things just got too complex for a Suikoden game. The thing I personally believe killed it is the lack of data transfer from Suikoden II. Suikoden I to Suikoden II transfer was absolutely amazing (especially getting Tir McDohl back), but Suikoden III wasn't as connected and as a stand alone game within such a strong legacy it kind of fell through.It really didn't help that a few years afterwards Suikoden IV came out and completely tanked!!! I mean I love the game to bits, simply because it is a Suikoden, but at the same time I also expect so much more out of it and to be perfectly honest, IV just doesn't make the cut. That's probably why you'll be hearing a LOT of crap about it. Hopefully Suikoden Rhapsodia digs it out a little bit.With all that aside though, Suikoden V LOOKS like it'll go back to the roots of a great saga and really prove what Suikoden is all about. I truly have a feeling that in a few years time Suikoden will become a name of a game known to most gamers. It is possibly the only game capable of following the success of Final Fantasy at the moment and at a certain point in the future it may even surpass the FF series simply because of how connected the games are. With each new Suikoden that comes out, not only do you get one game out of it, but you instantly have to compare it to each and ever one that came out before it.Hope this lil rant of mine clears a few things for you.
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Posted 28 September 2005 - 11:56 AM
its cool game i like it and played it twice
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 05:27 AM
Well, Some people will be happy about the re-release of Suikodens 1+2 on the PSP. Now all I need is for it to be released in Australia or even in America (I also need a PSP but whatever).
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 08:21 AM
Suikoden 5 looks to be a good game. I hope it turns out as good as suiko2.
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 09:13 AM
Suikoden 1 is the only one I've beaten, but they're a lot of fun.A lot of people didn't like the character system in Suikoden 3, but I loved it. Seeing the story unfold slowly from different perspectives was awsome.I didn't know what to think of each character, having only seen one side of the story, and I kept jumping around from hating a character to liking them again when I saw their side of the story.I haven't really had a chance to play Suikoden 4. It doesn't really appeal to me, and the crappy super run animation really put me off...
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 04:05 PM
Some questions here, Is it possible that Viki has a true rune? A few runes haven't been accounted for or is it that Viki is just a freak?What happened to the Soverign Rune after Barbarossa fell from the balcony?Do YOU think that Lady Windy survived with the Front Gate Rune?Is it a good bet that Nashs mistress is Sierra Mikain from Suikoden 2?Yeah, The Trinity Sight System was almost worth the graphics change because then you just have events occuring with one character and you will just be confused so different viewpoints are a good thing.(On the other hand, If Konami were real bastards then they could have released three or four different versions as well as giving Luc a fully flegded thing. Can you just imagine.... Suikoden 3: Geddoe version, Suikoden 3: Chris Version and Suikoden 3: Hugo Version. You'd think they were Nintendo)
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Posted 30 September 2005 - 03:45 AM
It is very possible that Viki, Jeane and Pesmerga all have a true rune of some kind, but no official news has been given out yet. Jeane more than likely has one since she's over 170 years old and looks like a 25 year old babe.There are speculations that Viki doesn't actually have a True Rune, but rather the ability to travel through time instead. Neither has been officially confirmed by Konami, but both are possibilities.As for Windy and Barbarossa, no one really knows what happened to them, but it is known that they both took their runes with them. I personally am assuming that they both survived (or at least Windy did), otherwise someone else would have found their True Runes by now. I can just see Windy turning on the near death Barbarossa and stealing his Sovereign Rune.As for Nash, there have been a lot of speculations and Sierra gets first pick for his mistress out of the girls we do know of. She easily fits the bill of each of his descriptions. I would say that it is either Sierra or an unknown we have yet to see.The Trinity Sight System was actually a two-edged sword. The good part of the system as you explained was the ability to actually see the game from a different viewpoint. I would have definitely liked to see Suikoden II from Jowy's perspective and I believe that it is actually because of that desire that Konami decided to implement the trinity system. I also think it's good to have the TTS because you get familiar with a wider variety of characters rather than just a team of the BEST six (Flik and Viktor anyone).The downside is that you aren't as attached to the main hero as there really is no main hero. Furthermore depending on how you choose to play the game, you may completely forget what the heck happened to certain individuals as you played their scenario about 10 hours ago or something. It really disconnects you from the lead characters.Overall though I think it's a pretty good system and it has great replay value.
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Posted 30 September 2005 - 11:42 AM
It was one of the BEST game i ever played. even better den Dragon FORCE of sega saturn. anyone played that before???
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Posted 30 September 2005 - 02:38 PM
Well, I kind of agree with you Shadow Wolf on your awnsers to my questions but I'm not really convinced with Windy and Barbarossa. The corpses of a True Rune bearer fade away if you don't remember (Bearers of The Rune of Punsihment turned to ashes but Jimba dissapeared after dieing) if they die while bearing it but Barbarossa didn't technically carry the Soverign rune so I don't think that he would have perished because of the fall. (PS- Genkaku and Han Cunnigham didn't fade because they sealed their runes away) I think instead that Barbarossa also escaped but died soon afterwards because of the wounds sustained as the Golden Hydra (Good Assumption Right?) and Windy took the Soverign Rune and placed it in her body.More questions for those that are fans.....If The Soul Eater stores the Souls of victims within it and The Rune of Punishment stores the final moments of each of its victims than what could the Rune of Beginning hold? (Sounds like a stupid question but It is worth thinking about)My answer to this question is that it holds the Life Force of victims and those whose lives that they save, The Bright Shield Rune can stop those around the bearer from dieing even if they would have died immediatly from their wounds than the Black Sword can cause the same thing except in reverse.If Jeane and Pesmerga did have true runes than what would they have?I personally think that Jeane doesn't have a True Rune and instead think that she is Immortal. Pesmerga I think could be a manisfestation of the Night Rune which has been pursuing another manifestation which has obtained a true rune and free will. Why wasn't Leknatt powerful enough to send back the summons that Windy did during the final battle and needed Joshuas help ? (Yuber also summoned a fair percent of the Monsters there which is why there were still enemys along with Scarlet Rune soldiers.)My partial answer to this question is that Windy took some power from Yuber and summoned an army worth om monsters. Remember that Sarah from Suikoden 3 was able to summon succesfully Illusions which were more than powerful enough to force back the combined force of three clans of Fearsome Warriors, Now think about if she bore the Front Gate RuneIt may also be possible that Sarah also drew power from Yuber because at Brass Castle in chapter 5 her illusions changed into Monsters so maybe Yuber possessess more powerful summoning magic than Leknaat or Windy ever could (He summoned a Bone Dragon with relative ease, I think that is more than powerful enough)Anyone have other opinions about my theories?
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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:50 AM
Wow, too many speculations.... But they're very interesting.I wonder if there is going to be a suikoden series where in the 24 True Runes will come together for a greater purpose.
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Posted 01 October 2005 - 03:05 AM
It would be impossible to have a game like that, Hikusaak, Windy, Barbarossa, The Beast Rune and The Leader of the Sindar are all missing so thats The Circle Rune, Front Gate Rune, Coverign Rune, Beast Rune and the Rune of Change while Hero IV was killed by The Rune of Punishment (He wasn't around anyone when he died so the rune didn't attach itself to anyone).
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Posted 02 October 2005 - 10:52 AM
Well as far as Windy and Barbarossa go, your theory may be true, however, who is to say that they died? I think that is the main issue many are concerned with. Their bodies have never been found (nor have the runes they possess/ed) as far as we know, so they might have survived the fall and went into hiding for some reason. All the theories that anybody makes will be determined by the actual realization of their death or survival. Without knowing that, we really cannot say anything for certain. Even speculating about it is redundant.As for what the Rune of Beginning holds... the simplest and most logically answer I can give you is, nothing. Each True Rune has it's own little special power and curse. Just because these two specifically have direct power over human life, in this case the friends and the user respectively. The True Rune of Beginning apparently has the power to end all wars. Consult this chart for virtually all the compiled information about the True Runes.Jeane and Pesmerga may very easily both have True Runes (as that is the only known way in the Suikoden world by which a person may live forever), but this has been a speculation for years now and no confirmation or further clues have been given by Konami to confirm this suspicion. Pesmerga definitely isn't the incarnation of the Night Rune as you seem to have forgotten about the Star Dragon Sword. My guess would be that he has a rune of virtue or something similar as an opposing rune to Yuber's Eightfold/Yafusa/Hachifusa/Devil Rune. That's just my guess though and shouldn't be taken too seriously.In Suikoden I, you'll hear Leknaat admit that she is in fact weaker than Windy. Windy doesn't have to make mirages like Sarah nor does she have to borrow Yuber's powers as you have to understand the concept of her True Rune. The Front Gate Rune, which was in Windy's possession, enables her to summon monsters from "The World of Emptiness", which is apparently where all the monsters ever killed go to (so it's not really that empty now is it). The Back Gate Rune, which Leknaat controls, has the opposite power, which is to send these creatures back. These are their PRIMARY powers. The others would include teleportation, seeing into the future, immortality and such. In essence, the True Gate Rune controls bringing monsters back and forth from another dimension aka “Summoning” in Final Fantasy terms. Yuber has the ability (although it doesn't look like a primary ability of his rune) to tap into that power as well and summon monsters too, although no where near on the same scale as Windy and Leknaat. Joshua on the other hand has the True Dragon Rune, which enables all the Dragons to come into the current dimension from "The World of Wings and Scales", which is the place where all the dragons come from. I'm thinking that the principle behind sending creatures back is the same, but another explanation would be that Leknaat's Back Gate Rune and Joshua's Dragon Rune were more powerful than Leknaat's Front Gate Rune (which was obvious), but the reason Yuber didn't help out with his Hachifusa Rune is because he also knew that Tir McDohl had the Souleater, which would have made it a three - two, making it next to impossible for Windy and Yuber to win. I really have no idea why Yuber and Tir never joined in, but I guess this explanation is as good as any.Yuber has relatively good powers of summoning, but a single bone dragon or an illusion of a few soldiers and Chris (in conjunction with Sarah's magic nonetheless) cannot nearly compare to being capable of summoning an entire army of monsters, which is what Windy essentially did. You should really read up the history behind the True Runes in the link I provided above as it does kind of explain a lot of things.@ Marchellyn: It's 27 True Runes, and if the 27 True Runes all came together in a single Suikoden game... what could really top that??? If it ever did happen it would have to be the last Suikoden EVER and I for one do not wish for that to happen.As for the "MISSING" people, they are just that... MISSING!!! Not necessarily DEAD and even if they are, there is always a chance of someone else picking up the True Rune they left behind. It is a possibility, although I don't see Konami doing it any time soon, especially with the rising popularity of the series. I'd bet my money on them extending the series as much as possible and eventually rivaling Final Fantasy in terms of number of games released.
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Posted 05 October 2005 - 07:35 AM
To anyone that might be interested, I have created a Suikoden RPG on Otakuboards which is based on the events of Suikoden 3.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 11:30 PM
can someone explain to me what happened between the end of 2 and begining of 3? i barely played 3 or 4. got lost in the plot.what ever happened to the riou or jowy?
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 07:08 AM
I am, although i only played part 1 and part 2.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 10:00 AM
Riou and Jowy went off with Nanami on their own traveling...... I think but I may be wrong. In S2 you can get multiple endings.can someone explain to me what happened between the end of 2 and begining of 3? i barely played 3 or 4. got lost in the plot.what ever happened to the riou or jowy?
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:23 PM
thats a weak ending to such a dramatic game, they're never mentioned again in 3 or 4? i thought i saw a guy on the book in 3 that looked a lot like a more aged Riou with a stick or something wearing red?Riou and Jowy went off with Nanami on their own traveling...... I think but I may be wrong. In S2 you can get multiple endings.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:52 PM
Well there are a number of endings, but in the aftermath of the game no one really knows what happens to the trio. The "good" ending is apparently the one the game developers decided to go with, but if you haven't finished already, I'd do so as the endings are quite dramatic (especially the fight between Riou and Jowy, but I won't give away any details). There is also a lot more to the whole Pilika and Jillia scene with Jowy. You should definitely finish the game though.Nanami suggested that the three of them go off somewhere far away and make a peaceful living or whatever, but there has been no confirmation of them returning their runes to Toto or if they participated in future wars. They are mentioned as references a few times in Suikoden III . Suikoden IV took place 153 years before Suikoden II so it would kind of be illogical to mention them there.The guy you're talking about from Suikoden III is the original flame champion. He fought for the Grasslands and Zexen against Harmonia about 35 years before the events in Suikoden II and he holds the True Fire Rune so he didn't age either.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 09:21 PM
i finished suikoden 2. i knew they left, in my game nanami was dead though. but it ended with one of the generals sacarficing himself and then a boss fight(cant remember the name, been some years) and then a couple events back at the HQ. my question was for the lapse of time inbetween the end of 2 and begining of 3. i really should replay 1-3 my memory on it is foggy, espcially since i never got past chapter 2 in III because it was so boring. but i still cant believe they wouldnt have explained that deep plot of betrayal with more then just they ran away and were never seen again, and not explain it in 3. even 2 showed several characters from suikoden I.Well there are a number of endings, but in the aftermath of the game no one really knows what happens to the trio. The "good" ending is apparently the one the game developers decided to go with, but if you haven't finished already, I'd do so as the endings are quite dramatic (especially the fight between Riou and Jowy, but I won't give away any details). There is also a lot more to the whole Pilika and Jillia scene with Jowy. You should definitely finish the game though.Nanami suggested that the three of them go off somewhere far away and make a peaceful living or whatever, but there has been no confirmation of them returning their runes to Toto or if they participated in future wars. They are mentioned as references a few times in Suikoden III . Suikoden IV took place 153 years before Suikoden II so it would kind of be illogical to mention them there.The guy you're talking about from Suikoden III is the original flame champion. He fought for the Grasslands and Zexen against Harmonia about 35 years before the events in Suikoden II and he holds the True Fire Rune so he didn't age either.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 07:09 AM
Well if you didn't get Nanami back you never got the good ending bro. The final boss was the True Beast Rune re-incarnation, but there was the duel with Jowy at the end which you may or may not have missed.No one really knows what happened to the trio. If they didn't return the runes I'm sure they fought again as the two are destined to clash. If they did....... they may have moved on with peaceful lives.The transfer from Suikoden I to Suikoden II was really the ONLY good one. The other ones kind of lack that, which does suck to an extent. III is worth playing, but you should really get a little deeper into it. It's nowhere near as good as it's predecessors, but it is worth the time.
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Posted 10 October 2005 - 12:24 PM
The original ending, is the part where Riou, jowy and Nanami went on traveling who knows where. I alos wondered what happened to the others on each series I played (1,&2)
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Posted 15 October 2005 - 03:27 PM
Great game!loved it, loved it, loved it!i like the 'over 100' character, the storyline, and all.this game just awesome.i've play it all 
by the way, for suikoden 2 real ending (good ending)u'll get coloured wallpaper of nanami, jowy and the hero...(personally, i like suikoden 2 the best)
by the way, for suikoden 2 real ending (good ending)u'll get coloured wallpaper of nanami, jowy and the hero...(personally, i like suikoden 2 the best)
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 03:27 AM
Same here, I think suikoden 2 has the best story ever.
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 09:04 AM
cool!!! ive played only 1 and 2, i like 2 more. got sumthing bothering me. ive only got to follow elise till rockland kingdom. lose track of her there.
