I believe it should be taken out for people who don't believe in god.
"Under God" in the pledge
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Posted 28 February 2008 - 04:28 AM
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Posted 28 February 2008 - 04:55 AM
or those people can just say the words and get on with their lives... its not like we are forcing them to sacrifice their left nut to jesus or anything by saing under god.I believe it should be taken out for people who don't believe in god.
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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:32 AM
Wouldn't it be best to have a national religiously-neuter pledge and many autonomous pledges?Therefore, there is still a national pledge, but those that appreciate religion can make their own or change the national for their purposes.
Someone, make something better.
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 10:10 PM
I think it hosuld stay in the pledge no matter what you believe in becuase this pledge was made by the starters of our ocuntry and we should pay them the respect they deserve. And if someone bleieves so strongly in not having it in it then how about you just dont say "under God" part and everyone goes home happy
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Posted 19 March 2008 - 04:12 PM
I'm an Atheist. and I honest don't care whether it's there are not, because apparently all Christians think I'm going to h**l anyways, but that's not the point. I would be happier if it didn't say God because I don't believe in him, but us Atheists make up a small part of this world.
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Posted 19 March 2008 - 04:38 PM
I don't care if it is in there or not. If people don't want to say it, than don't say it. I am not religious person and when I attend a wedding or funeral I don't participate in the ceremony. Nothing wrong with that.
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Posted 19 March 2008 - 08:22 PM
I'm not American, but I would say it should be removed. It's a relic of the Cold War when America wanted to differentiate itself from those awful, godless commies. The "under God" part is a through and through breach of the Establishment Clause.
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 11:51 AM
as a believer of God, I would also be offended if the pledge is taken out. Why do i agree that it must be kept. Basically, the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. Everything is owned by God, that includes our lives. Therfore, it is just appropriate that when we do the pledging thing, we subject ourselves to the will of God
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Posted 02 April 2008 - 11:43 PM
its actually absurd to say it is wrong because they claim that the have to respect other religions but they are not doing it with christians or other religions that belive in 1 God
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Posted 05 April 2008 - 06:22 AM
Personally, I dislike it being there. I also dislike the argument from Christians that just because they believe in a god, everyone else should say "under god" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Not everyone believes in it, and in a country that supposedly has separation of church and state, it is a glaring inconsistency of the reality. Of course, no one has to actually say the pledge, and I suppose this may be choice enough. However, it does not convey the best image of a neutral government.Maybe I am just touchy. I personally did not like the idea of a gigantic glowing gross on a building during Christmas, while other people seemed totally unfazed. I do not enjoy people telling me, "Bless you," even if they removed the "god." I do not thank people who say this, and find this sometimes deters people from saying it.
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Posted 06 April 2008 - 08:46 AM
It's kind of funny how atheists don't mind the "under god" part usually, but I bet a Christian would get mad if the pledge said "Under Nietzsche" or something like that 
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Posted 06 April 2008 - 06:29 PM
The starters of our country? If they all had lived to be 250 maybe.I think it hosuld stay in the pledge no matter what you believe in becuase this pledge was made by the starters of our ocuntry and we should pay them the respect they deserve. And if someone bleieves so strongly in not having it in it then how about you just dont say "under God" part and everyone goes home happy
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Posted 13 April 2008 - 12:41 AM
Well, I could say the 'under god' part, but as I do not believe in him, I am not really swearing under anything other than the law to be honest, and that would be enough to prevent me from lying. I could swear 'under god' though, as it means nothing to me
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 06:14 PM
i prefer to think that we are under the authority of God. and not left to our own devices. what a terrible state humanity would be in if we were left on our own with nothing to guide our path.
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 11:41 PM
Again, since you can not be forced to say the pledge, there's nothing wrong with it. I would prefer if it were changed back, but with the rise of fanaticism both domestically and internationally, I find it unlikely that it will happen.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 12:21 AM
Why don't you just skip that bit if you don't believe in god? Surely there is nothing wrong with that.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 01:07 AM
Exactly, if you don't believe in it, it doesn't mean anything, so it shouldn't matter to you. (Also "under God" is mostly just asserting that the country was founded under basic Judeo-Christian ETHICS [not religious beliefs] that are still highly applicable to everyday life)Well, I could say the 'under god' part, but as I do not believe in him, I am not really swearing under anything other than the law to be honest, and that would be enough to prevent me from lying. I could swear 'under god' though, as it means nothing to me
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 05:54 AM
hell yeah it should stayPOINTS were deducted for this post by ShaiPlease refer to the forum rules to find out why your points were deducted.Personally I think that "Under God" should stay in the pledge because it is part of our heritage. It has been there almost forever, so it should just stay. We don't use the pledge that much anyways, so it should just stay.
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Posted 31 May 2008 - 06:39 AM
Being agnostic I'm not offended by the word god. God is a theistic idea that doesn't just apply to Christianity, and non-religious people aren't forced to say it.The only thing that I would find controversial is "one nation, under god," which would assume that America is the only country that is united under God. God bless America, sure, but God bless only America?
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Posted 31 May 2008 - 10:25 AM
I'm agnostic as well, but I would be offended if I had to "pledge under God". It would be hypocrisy. I do not believe in a God, nor do I not believe. Wouldn't it be more efficient to swear on the lives of your loved ones, in any case?
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Posted 31 May 2008 - 07:15 PM
Do you pledge yourself to a country with laws BASED on Judeo-Christian ethics? You aren't really swearing under God.It's different from swearing on the Bible, there should be the option of...the quran, the torah, a law book, etc.I'm agnostic as well, but I would be offended if I had to "pledge under God". It would be hypocrisy. I do not believe in a God, nor do I not believe. Wouldn't it be more efficient to swear on the lives of your loved ones, in any case?
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Posted 01 June 2008 - 05:20 AM
In my personal opinion, saying this is one nation under god is a lie. Face it, when there are people trying to ban the ability to say "Merry Christmas" in public you just can't say this country is under god.
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Posted 01 June 2008 - 07:05 AM
Do you pledge yourself to a country with laws BASED on Judeo-Christian ethics? You aren't really swearing under God.Let's face it, though; we were the ones who always got the fanatics in those days. Half the people fleeing for 'religious freedom', before immigration became a huge thing, were fanatics themselves.It'd be nice if something would change after fifty years of 'under god'; the founders, after all, never put that in there originally.Remember remember the fifth of November, the gunpowder treason and plot. I can think of no reason the gunpowder treason should EVER BE FORGOT.Sixth of October >>>> Fifth of November.Seriously, both the start of a major war and a successful assassination? That's two awesome things right there.
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Posted 02 June 2008 - 07:41 PM
Dude, I just liked the sound of the rhyme lol.It's true though, the people who started America were puritans lol.Do you pledge yourself to a country with laws BASED on Judeo-Christian ethics? You aren't really swearing under God.Let's face it, though; we were the ones who always got the fanatics in those days. Half the people fleeing for 'religious freedom', before immigration became a huge thing, were fanatics themselves.It'd be nice if something would change after fifty years of 'under god'; the founders, after all, never put that in there originally.Remember remember the fifth of November, the gunpowder treason and plot. I can think of no reason the gunpowder treason should EVER BE FORGOT.Sixth of October >>>> Fifth of November.Seriously, both the start of a major war and a successful assassination? That's two awesome things right there.
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Posted 02 June 2008 - 07:52 PM
coming from any view the point of taking it out takes more energy than needed anyone can agree many other topics are more important to any party.
