"I do not believe in evolution, because it doesn't make any sense. Of course other things evovled but, humans didn't."It doesn't make any sense? Really...So tell me, where did your God come from? EVERYTHING has a beginning and an end. Your God couldn't have just existed without a beginning. That would be like a game/story (I'll use Kingdom Hearts as an example in a moment) without a beginning. Imagine, in the first Kingdom Hearts you start out in Traverse Town. Sora goes on to say that he doesn't know where his "island" is and that his friends Riku and Kairi are missing. QUESTIONS to the beginning: Who's Riku and Kairi? What island is Sora refering to? If Sora really WAS on an island, how did he get to Traverse Town? Where did Sora get the Keyblade? See, without the introduction or the beginning of the game, you really wouldn't know the whole story unless you played it through. The same applys here. "Evolution is dumb, and people who strongly believe in it and scoff at the Bible are probably going to Hell. SO I suppose they can think what they want"Hmmm...You're so correct. God, people believing in SCIENECE are totally going to hell! Why not just follow that book instead!? It's all stories and has nothing to do with anything! Sorry, but explain to me how a book is much more likely to be a true story, when half of it contradicts itself? Sure me and Fifteen don't see eachother eye to eye on somethings and sure we disagree on some things...But, I'm going to agree with him on this one."that is pretty stupid although monkeys are similar they are extreamly stupud"Yes, because we ALL know how easy it is to learn sign language. See, I know SOME sign language only because I use to it communicate with my mute friend. It requires alot of memorization and patience to learn.
Who the hell would believe in evolution???
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 02:23 AM
yeah but most people have to believe in something and theres a lot more evidence in evolution than in religion.
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 04:58 AM
if evo. is true than monkeys are like our brothers
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 05:45 AM
Evolution has pretty much been proved. I think it was lightning and some other basic elements to make simple life. After billions of years worth of jumps (forgot what it's called, punctuated equilibrium I think), we finally evolved to what we are.
Not only is that proof God exists, it's proof he has a sense of humor.
We're actually more closely related to apes and chimps I think. We're about 99.4% similar to chimps in terms of genes that matter.if evo. is true than monkeys are like our brothers
Science is mostly proven, but you don't prove god, hence the term faith. God isn't science. You're using a process that can't be applied to God. Moreover, you can't prove god because doing so would pretty much mean god isn't omnipotent. The moment you can prove God, you'll probably find out everything you thought you knew about God is wrong.Still, if you want proof, here it is:Surprising though how big the population of fundie gamers is. (Well I dunno if their fundies by US standards, but by European standards I definitly hear fundyisms.)Anyway here's a challenge for you religious types.Proof, according to scientific principles, not only the existence of souls and God, but also that said God is the one in your bible. And once doing so also outline exactly which of the many, sometimes contradictory descriptions of God is the right one. And why certain biblical laws are a BIG DEAL™ whereas others (Such as not wearing clothes made out of two different fabrics (Also in Leviticus.), or more famously, the food laws.) are apperently irrelevant. Scientific principles are described fully here; http://en.wikipedia....ientific_method and this is the method you must use.Once your properly scientifically peer-reviewed paper proves what you claim beyond any normal scientific reasonable dispute. I'll consider the existence of your deity.If you cannot do this, then I say that by Occam's razor, there is no valid reason whatsoever to believe your God even exists.You are the ones who think your God is such a big deal, so the burden of proofing he exists is both upon you, and neccesary for you to do.
Not only is that proof God exists, it's proof he has a sense of humor.But seriously though, you can't prove god exists and you can't prove he doesn't. That's just the way it is. Besides, it's not like the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence. It's like trying to play the game: prove the atheist/religious person wrong. You can't do it. It's impossible. Trying to do so will just make everyone go in a really big circle. Sooner or later, you'll get to a point where nobody will concede anymore, and in the end, nothing changes. I guess this is just the result of too many debates on the existence of god. I don't really care what other people believe anymore. If believing in God helps you get out of bed then good for you. If you don't than all the more power to you.You know what rule 34 is, yes? "If it exists there's porn of it." Well I'll be damned if there isn't porn of God somewhere on the internet.
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 08:16 AM
Science > allThat's my two cents anyway.
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 08:17 AM
I think evolution is a fact, the only thing that troubles me about it is that it might stagnate for a few races. (this might be going off topic now...)Humanity is in a state where when we need something, we invent it. We do not need to change our bodies to get something done. This, is something that might hinder further evolution for our race, as most areas of evolution, if not all, are beased on necessity.Anyway, back to evolution in general. Considering what has been said early on about lacking fossils, we can all just think about how the dinosaurs got extinct. I mean, a big meteor coming crashing down on you hardly leaves much of you skeleton intact, making creation of fossils kind of difficult. And also, who says there isn't any fossils of "missing links"? Maybe we just haven't discovered them yet?
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 12:26 PM
"Not only is that proof God exists, it's proof he has a sense of humor."Oi! Don't make fun of the platapus! Those things are wicked cool looking! Plus they're mammals that lay eggs! You can't get much cooler than that!Anyway...That means nothing =)Think of ALL the different types of apples. They cross-pollinate, creating a new apple. That MUST mean "God" has some sense of humor. Plants, they can cross-pollinate. They make a really odd looking flower. Does that mean "God" exists? No, that just means someone made a mistake putting the pansies with the daisies (an example).Oh and, one more thing: Since when does a platapus mean that "God" MUST exist........? If you think that "God" exists off ONE mesly animal, then there's a problem with your brain. So two animals that never get near each other, mate and have that. I ddin't realize that was "God's" doing. Just like how he MAGICALLY got the virgin Mary pregnant, by sending someone with wings to her and saying "Mary, you're pregnant" and suddenly...She's pregnant.
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Posted 05 October 2007 - 04:23 AM
if evloution is real and we evolved from monkeys, i dont get y there r still monkeys around 2day
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Posted 05 October 2007 - 06:27 AM
i dont so yeah who would
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Posted 05 October 2007 - 06:46 AM
Nah, i don't believe in that. Why are there still monkeys
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Posted 05 October 2007 - 06:55 AM
I don't believe in it especially since its racist! I mean like they say our dna is related to apes (by a little bit) they think we are them but look did the apes evolve in the zoos?
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Posted 05 October 2007 - 07:32 AM
Ok, good point; I misstated my premise in the previous post... Allow me to revise. What I meant is that the difference in RATIO of fossils found of creatures already present and creatures long past TO those which could be percieved as "links" between the two sets is strikingly low, seeing as how the presence of the "finished" creatures should have taken up much less time than the development of those creatures. Simply put, if the evolutionist theory is correct, I believe that there should be much more evidence within the fossil record (unless there is some sort of overbearing archeological conspiracy to hide the truth of evolution going on, that is). To make my points more clear, I must state that I DO "believe", or as you justly put it, subscribe to the scientific findings and conclusions, of MICRO-evolution (evolution within the bounds of the species) but am opposed to that of MACRO-evolution (that which would require a dinosaur becoming a dog, or human)
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Posted 05 October 2007 - 08:33 AM
@CerberusHunter07 and alston: Under the theory, we didn't evolve from the monkeys of today. It's not like f'ing Pokemon, where one species turns into another. Rather, the monkeys of the present and the human species both had some common ancestor, which explains the DNA similarities and the physical similarities.
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First of all, I wouldn't say that cavemen were primitive. I mean, If you were taken away from your parents before you could learn anything and left on a deserted island and were told to make a laptop, chances are you won't be able to make one. (You'd be lucky if you come up with the wheel.) It took cavemen over 1,000 years to get the wheel right, not because they're stupid or primitive, but because there were no ideas to guide them. The reason we have cars and computers is because these ideas were built upon existing ideas. In other words, civilization, as it is now, is no different from the civilization of 1 million years ago.Secondly, evolution does make sense to me. A lot of people got this wrong, but we DID NOT evolve from apes or monkeys. We evolved from microscopic organisms which comes together and formed a living being (an amphibian). Then that being moved from water to land and eventually became humanoid. There wasn't just one of these beings, but rather millions of them. Some stayed in the water and evolved into fish, some evolved into dogs or cats, etc. It makes sense since every living things are made up of cells, and what are cells? MICROSCOPIC ORGANISMS!!!
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Good job in noticing I was kidding there. Did you also believe that what I quoted about rule 34 was something I was serious about? Maybe I'm not the one with a problem in the brain. And as Dark Archon said, we didn't evolve from monkeys. If you believe in evolution, we evolved from a certain primate. All the currently existing primates also evolved from that same primate. We are more closely related to apes and chimps because we both evolved from a certain type of primate (which evolved from the original one).@ke4611 We're more than a little bit similar to other apes. We're like 99%. And although I don't know what the heck you're saying when you talk about the zoos, you're still wrong about that, simply because evolution occurs in more than zoos.@eepnor Although I'm also not sure exactly what you're saying, nobody believes we come from dinosaurs. The theory is that we come from something that survived that asteroid hitting the earth because it was warmblooded and didn't need the sun as much as dinosaurs. That's our common ancestor, not dinosaurs. And are you talking about missing links; the idea where fossils that show the small changes between species are missing? Because if you are, that's where the idea of punctuated equilibrium comes in. Originally people believed that there were lots of little, constant changes that would eventually lead to something else (gradualism). But punctuated equilibrium says that those small differences don't really amount to anything. Instead change comes in jumps. For example, a baby will be born with a defect and have eyes on the back of it's head. The idea is that all the little differences (like having a mouth that is a little bit bigger) wouldn't help it to survive anymore than if it were normal. Instead, when something with a major difference comes, it'll have an actual impact on that creature's ability to survive. That explains why you can't find the fossils in between the animal with normal eyes and the one with eyes on the back of its head; it never existed."Not only is that proof God exists, it's proof he has a sense of humor."Oi! Don't make fun of the platapus! Those things are wicked cool looking! Plus they're mammals that lay eggs! You can't get much cooler than that!Anyway...That means nothing =)Think of ALL the different types of apples. They cross-pollinate, creating a new apple. That MUST mean "God" has some sense of humor. Plants, they can cross-pollinate. They make a really odd looking flower. Does that mean "God" exists? No, that just means someone made a mistake putting the pansies with the daisies (an example).Oh and, one more thing: Since when does a platapus mean that "God" MUST exist........? If you think that "God" exists off ONE mesly animal, then there's a problem with your brain. So two animals that never get near each other, mate and have that. I ddin't realize that was "God's" doing. Just like how he MAGICALLY got the virgin Mary pregnant, by sending someone with wings to her and saying "Mary, you're pregnant" and suddenly...She's pregnant.
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 03:29 PM
I think the theory of evolution is pants to put it nicely, how can such a civilised and advanced technological race have evolved from chimps? God created us man, peace out.
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 03:44 PM
We have 54% the same DNA as rats. Someone said everything must have a begginning and ending.Okay, you guys say there was the big bang. Before the big bang, where was matter? You claim Matter was created something out of nothing, God can exist out of nothing then! Oh and whilst I'm at the big bang, lets think back what we would be like 1500 years ago and someone said a massive jumbo of matter crashed into each other and created planets. What would be the people's reaction? "Thats gotta be magic!"Its defined as magic because its scientifically (to their best of knowledge) impossible. Now, we don't call the Big Bang a magic because scientist claim to have some evidence to support this claim, but ppl 1500 years ago couldn't explain the Big Bang ! Mary got pregnant just like that, no intercourse. Magic! God created the world in 6 days, Magic! Science and Faith are totally different, science methods don't work on sth thats meant to have faith put in!
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 04:46 PM
I don't know may be you would know
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 04:59 PM
the problem with people that believe in intelligent design is that they are not intelligent
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 05:02 PM
evolution doesnt make sense.........huge rocks smash into each other, form an explosion and creates the world. who would belive that?
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 05:04 PM
I don't belive evolution also
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 05:04 PM
evolution isn't real, it makes no sense. 
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 05:25 PM
this is too big an issue.nothing annoys me more than this debate.i am not religious, but i am not atheist. im agnostic. im skeptical as to the existence of a god, but i do believe there is a distinct possibility that they exist.i have no understanding either way as to who is right, and neither does anyone on this forum.if someone is smart enough to prove or disprove the existence of a god or gods, then please show me, but 99% of people are not intelligent enough to understand the slightest fragment of the evidence they use to back up their arguments.i am not assaulting anybody, i am merely explaining my perception.
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 05:44 PM
well people who dont want to think that thers a god want something else to belive in so they dont think they need to be accountable for what they do in this world
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 05:57 PM
Hmm. I do believe in evolution. Thereīs many evidence and besides, I donīt believe in God..
