Who the hell would believe in evolution???

electro smurf, the bible is not only a guide for life, but it is in fact a history book. We know for sure that Jesus existed, as we have records of him being killed on the cross.(other than the bible;the Roman records.) We have records of Abraham, NOt only in the bible but the Quran. No i dotn agree that we christians believe what we are forced to believe. Ive learned that you ahev to question everything in christianity (to a certain extent.)and when we find the meaning for it, it becomes stronger. How can chance make something as complicated as the brain?

How can chance make something as complicated as the brain?

Evolution isn't 'chance;' the ability to hunt down food is an advantage. The brain is actually a strong piece of evidence for evolution; you can trace back the development of brain regions all the way down through the vertebrates.The earliest brains weren't brains at all, but ganglia - small bundles of nerves. The thing is, once you've got a 'learning machine' like a simple nervous system set up, and millions of years of natural experimentation running, you can sort of expect it to get more complicated whenever that gives animals an advantage. The human brain, with its 100 billion neurons, didn't suddenly evolve in one big mutation. The development of brains was gradual, and you can get by with a simple brain, too. The fruit fly only has 100,000 neurons in its brain, and the nematode C. elegans only has about 300 neurons in its entire body. Even a single neuron could be potentially be useful for survival.

electro smurf, the bible is not only a guide for life, but it is in fact a history book. We know for sure that Jesus existed, as we have records of him being killed on the cross.(other than the bible;the Roman records.) We have records of Abraham, NOt only in the bible but the Quran. No i dotn agree that we christians believe what we are forced to believe. Ive learned that you ahev to question everything in christianity (to a certain extent.)and when we find the meaning for it, it becomes stronger. How can chance make something as complicated as the brain?

The bible also say pi=3, so not everything is correct. Also the gospels were recorded 40 years after Jezus was killed, the bible is a compilation of some(not all) gospels and a part of the Hebrian bible(jewis bible). The Quran(muslim bible, i'm from belgium here it is the "Koran" so...) is a compilation of the bible, the hebrian bible and some new recordings so that's why they are all the same.

ugh. I believe that creationism is the dumbest thing ever made. x_xFossils are hard to find, but even so we do have some transitional fossils.Embryonic development is another thing that shows evolution, and also vestigial structures does.Does anyone have anything that actually concretely proves evolution wrong? (as in it has been tested by many scientists and has come out with the same result each time)If someone has posted stuff like this before, I apologize. I'm too lazy to read the rest

The Bible fails at everything because it was written by humans, censored by humans, and translated by humans.Let's see. Translation mistakes will happen on purpose, on accident, and just because languages operate differently from each other. Censorship should be obvious. Written by humans, so, exaggerations, literal/non-literal, mistakes, bias, etc.Also, if the Bible is so great, then we should stone our kids if they do just one thing bad, because that's what it said to do. It also supports adultery. All people do is pick and choose. They pick and choose what they want to be found literal in the Bible, they pick and choose what this and that phrase is trying to say, and they choose what to just ignore.

bible say pi=3? WTF are you smoking?The bible is a collection. It is a work by God And people that changed over time. The new testament is there to say" Jesus died for you."So now you dont have to Stone your kids to death."and Adamskiairsoft you do know that all things in the bible are not LITERAL. There are many many symbols and representations. There are many other records of biblical events. The library of alexandria, Roma records, egyptian, syrian(Arameans), damascus. Yes i do know that the new testament was written 40 years later after the death of Jesus.What i want to say is the "gay gene" is complete BS. it goes against Evolution, the main "proof" to it. why would a gene evolve into soemthing unatural that has no purpose. (If there is a penis and a vagina, why does it need to evolve into penis and anus? It serves no point.)Hence the name "NATURAL selection'?

Edited by AMHV, 26 February 2008 - 02:34 AM.

There is no gay gene, correct. However, humans do not follow the laws of evolution; you know, because we are above animals and all.

Whether you agree with evolution or not, you only have to look an an ape and look at yourself and think "wow, we do look sort of similar." When anyone is presented with incontrovertible visual evidence like that, anyone is going to draw the conclusion that there might possibly be some link there. When we're given more evidence, such as similar genetic coding, what conclusion can we draw? Only that it's more possible for there to be a link.There isn't any concrete proof to prove creationism wrong either. The fact is, there may never be concrete proof to disprove either of them. We were created by something. Life doesn't just spring out of nowhere on its own. Most likely, both theories have some incorrect parts to them.

bible say pi=3? WTF are you smoking?

Absolutely nothing. "And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward. And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths." 1 Kings 7:23-26Also, pretty much the same thing is said in 2 Chronicles 4:2-5 if we do the math, it says the diameter of this round molten sea was 10 cubits, and therefore its radius is 5 cubits. It also says that the circumference is 30 cubits. Don't worry about the cubits though, they're irrelevant; it could be any unit of measurement like feet or meters. Circumference of a circle = 2 x pi x radius all of the information that the bible gave us lets us solve for pi.30 = 2 x pi x 530 = 10pi30/10 = pi3 = piNote that this is a rather disgusting estimate for pi considering the fact that cultures that were contemporaneous of the writing of the bible already had pi calculated to several decimal places.The point is that the bible isn't and shouldn't be the authority on anything science-related, because it's clearly unreliable for such information.

Edited by Harlequin, 26 February 2008 - 04:03 AM.

and Adamskiairsoft you do know that all things in the bible are not LITERAL. There are many many symbols and representations.

That's not what everyone says, but this still goes with my point. Two people can easily interpret a line from the Bible and get two completely different results.

What i want to say is the "gay gene" is complete BS. it goes against Evolution, the main "proof" to it. why would a gene evolve into soemthing unatural that has no purpose. (If there is a penis and a vagina, why does it need to evolve into penis and anus? It serves no point.)Hence the name "NATURAL selection'?

Homosexuality is most likely wiring in the brain, causing sexual arousal to correlate with the same sex.

And yet i dont remember i said it was a math book; its a History book. history/lifestyle. its an unsual concept but it exists.And at first i though it said pie and i was like... but after that post i got it.I still say evolution... no.I know that there are very little fossils.And the "great" galapagos islands: "Different animals on different islands! OMG!"

i believe in evolution because i always thought that man came from chimpanzees.

IF so then why are chimpanzees still around? Evolution is a theory it is not a fact. Evolution has not been proven to be true, in fact if it had any basis in scientific fact, instead of pure imagination, then maybe I'd believe in it. Evolution cannot even prove how the cell came to be and yet evolutionists claim that we all "evolved".

some people may conclusion that was true. but, i by my self didn't agree with this.the simply answer is " i don't want to be the same with simpanses".

i believe in evolution because i always thought that man came from chimpanzees.

Sorry, that's the wrong idea. Humans did not come from Chimpanzees, we are contemparies as we both exist at the same time. Rather we (humans and chimps) came from a common ancestor that existed some time in the past and has since become extinct.

Evolution is a theory it is not a fact. Evolution has not been proven to be true, in fact if it had any basis in scientific fact, instead of pure imagination, then maybe I'd believe in it. Evolution cannot even prove how the cell came to be and yet evolutionists claim that we all "evolved".

No evolution is not a fact, it's a theory. The thing is, for science, that's about as close as you can get. The entire thing is based on scientific fact though. There have been many experiments looking at evolution, analysis of fossilized animals looking at structure and in rare cases organic material to trace ancestry. Genetic analysis of living animals to trace ancestry there. All kinds of information has been collected in favor of evolution. Now then, how about you go find me something proving the existence of God or some other divine Creator to support Creation, how's that sound? Anything at all, anything even vaguely implying it.

No evolution is not a fact, it's a theory. The thing is, for science, that's about as close as you can get. The entire thing is based on scientific fact though. There have been many experiments looking at evolution, analysis of fossilized animals looking at structure and in rare cases organic material to trace ancestry. Genetic analysis of living animals to trace ancestry there. All kinds of information has been collected in favor of evolution. Now then, how about you go find me something proving the existence of God or some other divine Creator to support Creation, how's that sound? Anything at all, anything even vaguely implying it.

Evolution is no more scientific than the Pink Unicorn is real. It's only wishful thinking for atheists out there who can't come to terms with the fact that there is supreme creator. If future so-called evolutionists start comparing genetic heredity based on body structure alone then one day we may have a "theory" that all fat people came from one common ancestor. That is totally unscientific. Science itself refutes evolution to be a fraud since it cannot even prove how life came to be by chance. For example; the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which is accepted as one of the basic laws of physics, holds that under normal conditions all systems left on their own will tend to become disordered, dispersed and corrupted in direct relation to the amount of time that passes. Everything living or non-living wears out, deteriorates, decays, disintegrates and is destroyed. This is the absolute end that all beings will face one way or another and according to this law, this unavoidable process has no return. Proven Science destroys that of the fabricated evolutionists' false daydreams.

Edited by iNouda, 26 February 2008 - 11:21 AM.

iNouda, i couldn't agree more. And lets talk aobut the "gay gene":If there is already a penis and vagina for pleasure and creating life, why would the gene need to evolve into penis to anus? It serves no point! It is UNNATURAL.Isnt it called NATURAL selection?Evolution and the gay gene is for emo kids.

Edited by AMHV, 26 February 2008 - 04:25 PM.

Evolution was not "made up" by atheists as an alternative to creation. It is a theory formulated based on real life evidence. No one claims that it is a fact. In general, nothing in science is claimed as fact, so please stop pointing that out. Anything can be changed if sufficient contrary evidence is brought up.Evolution does not claim anything evolved out of pure chance. Natural selection is not chance. Inferior creatures are less likely to survive, less likely to reproduce, and less likely to pass on their genes. This has been observed in real life with the evolution of antibiotic resistant bacteria. Evolution does not claim that one day, a bunch of molecules fell together and out came a brain. Complex organs evolved over time, from less complex organs.The second law of thermodynamics states that in a CLOSED SYSTEM, the TOTAL disorder increases. The planet Earth is not a closed system because the sun provides energy to the Earth. While individual entropy decreases when organisms become more specialized, the total entropy can increase, through heat loss to the environment for example.Evolution does not have anything to do with how life forms or how the cell came to be. It explains how new species can form from old species. It's not that evolution cannot explain how life started, it's that evolution is not supposed to explain it.In the case that evolution turns out to be false, it still does not imply that there is a creator. There is no evidence for the existence of a creator.If the gay gene did exist (I don't think anyone claims it does, or that it evolved), it can be a result of a mutation.@hellogoodbye: Change your ing sig before the mods do. I don't want to load a 1MB image for every post you make. (edit) Too late. Thanks mods!

Edited by bictor717, 26 February 2008 - 08:39 PM.

In the case that evolution turns out to be false, it still does not imply that there is a creator. There is no evidence for the existence of a creator.If the gay gene did exist (I don't think anyone claims it does, or that it evolved), it can be a result of a mutation.

If we came from something, where did that something came from and if that something(God?) came from nothing, why can't we came from nothing?(check)Like people who are lefthanded, why are they so? A mutation, but they didn't extinct or the righthanded aren't extinct because it doesn't make a difference, just like they are black and white sheep.

If the gay gene did exist (I don't think anyone claims it does, or that it evolved), it can be a result of a mutation.

most beneficial adaptations result due to a mutation.This is how asexual organisms adapt.The "gay gene" I'm not quite sure I believe. Some studies have shown that Gay men react to pheromones of other men, so it's likely that this is why many are considered "gay", and why often the number of homosexuals in different societies differ due to the particular society's belief.

Evolution is no more scientific than the Pink Unicorn is real. It's only wishful thinking for atheists out there who can't come to terms with the fact that there is supreme creator. If future so-called evolutionists start comparing genetic heredity based on body structure alone then one day we may have a "theory" that all fat people came from one common ancestor. That is totally unscientific.

Nobody is saying that you would compare all fat people and say they came from a common ancestor at some point. If that's what you think I can't even begin to tell you just how wrong you are. Using anatomical structures to trace ancestry was how things had been done until we developed the ability to do gene sequencing. Someone who is fat is not an anatomical difference, simply a physical one. Look at that person's skeleton, it will certainly be within the realm of standard deviation for any human on the planet. They will have the same number of bones in the same arrangement, etc...

Science itself refutes evolution to be a fraud since it cannot even prove how life came to be by chance.

Uh no. Science does not refute Evolution at all. It doesn't matter if we don't know the exact sequence of events that led to the development of life as Evolution (actually more so biochemistry) has provided us with a basic outline of this came before that, which came before these for the development of amino acids, RNA, and DNA. There have even been computer modeled analyses of that sequence of events and testing to see if they could spontaneously trigger such formations in labs. There have even been multiple "life in a bottle" experiments that have started this process by using basic elements in primordial Earth conditions and generating amino acids and proteins. Besides, as bictor717 pointed out Evolution is not a theory that explains how life came about, simpy how once it did, how it has and continues to change and grow. That fact that applications of the theory do happen to provide insight into how life could have begun is a nice little bonus.Also, stop talking about science as proving something. Science never proves anything as true by default. The entire aim of science is to eliminate what is false so that only what is true remains, but since we don't know everything we can never prove what is true directly. It's like reasoning through process of elimination for the entirety of existence (note: this is a grossly simplified analogy). Any theory, theorem, posit, hypothesis, etc. can be discarded by a scientist should sufficient evidence be provided showing that the prior idea was wrong. So far no such burden of evidence has been found against Evolution while there is a continually mounting burden of evidence for Evolution.

For example; the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which is accepted as one of the basic laws of physics, holds that under normal conditions all systems left on their own will tend to become disordered, dispersed and corrupted in direct relation to the amount of time that passes. Everything living or non-living wears out, deteriorates, decays, disintegrates and is destroyed. This is the absolute end that all beings will face one way or another and according to this law, this unavoidable process has no return. Proven Science destroys that of the fabricated evolutionists' false daydreams.

Wow, your grasp of physics truly amazes me. You're wrong, again. The Second Law does state that Entropy increases, but as bictor717 pointed out it only applies for a Closed System. The only, naturally, truly closed system in the entire Universe is the entire Universe as a whole (although based on certain theories about blackholes that might not be the case). Even taking all of that aside, the Second Law is never violated (and so far has never been) so long as total system Entropy increases. Any part of the system can have a decrease in Entropy, but it's OK as long as the system as a whole has an increase. Since last I checked everything still dies it would appear that all the organization that life has used to achieve the level it is currently at hasn't violated the Second Law.Now then, like I said before why don't you try bringing some evidence for the existence of a Creator to this discussion. I've repeatedly brought forth examples of experiments done which have fallen in line with the Theory of Evolution. Let's see some form of evidence that supports the other side. If not, then you don't have a theoretical leg to stand on when it comes ot Creation and need to stop arguing for it until you do.

Evolution is no more scientific than the Pink Unicorn is real. It's only wishful thinking for atheists out there who can't come to terms with the fact that there is supreme creator.

Now then, like I said before why don't you try bringing some evidence for the existence of a Creator to this discussion.

I believe in both God and evolution and some of creationism (some). We're not debating the existence of God here, we're debating whether evolution is plausible or not. I think there is a supreme creator and that life didn't just start for no reason, but that doesn't interfere with the theory of evolution for me.

Edited by Ordonboy, 27 February 2008 - 02:20 AM.

Those Amino acids tests that you talk about that supposedly simulated the earth a long time ago is false. Its been proven. That crazy did NOT recreate Conditions similiar to that of a million years ago.And the thing about us Creationists ( Well i guess christians or monotheistic religions) Dont really care about scientific proof. We would rather care about furthering our own faith. WE have a completely different concept of looking at life, which is that we dont need PROOf all the time. Not scientific proof anyway. So dont criticize us for not being like you."Do not answer a fool according to his own folly."-Proverbs

Using anatomical structures to trace ancestry was how things had been done until we developed the ability to do gene sequencing. Someone who is fat is not an anatomical difference, simply a physical one. Look at that person's skeleton, it will certainly be within the realm of standard deviation for any human on the planet. They will have the same number of bones in the same arrangement, etc...

Awesome. So we're basing all this evolution

The mentality of those who claim that life formed from nonliving matter by random gradual changes and who defend this with a childish stubbornness despite all scientific evidence to the contrary, is no different from the bigoted, fanatical and ignorant medieval mentality that punished those who claimed the earth was not flat.

Thank you. But I as a christian want to further my faith, not post and argue. Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics; even though you win youre still retarded.I will not let the past effect me! i will move on from just arguing on the internets.( )I still say: Evolution doesnt exist. i hope that monkey that was given human drugs is okay... He died? No suprise there.

Evolution cannot even prove how the cell came to be and yet evolutionists claim that we all "evolved".

Yet the Creationists claims we are created, they can't even prove we are. I say evolution is true. We have the capability to adapt to the environment so we could survive.We learned how to think.