Evolution takes thousands of years to even make a significant difference in the physical appearance of a creature, evolution doesn't happen in just a lifetime.The 1st organisms are barely living, they were single-celled organisms.Carbon-14 dating is used in determining the age of a fossil, measuring the isotopes is another way. These are tested ways of determining the age of a certain object found in the ground.The answers are redundant because your questions are also redundant.And what do those butterflies and humans give birth to! A giant more evolved species of the creature? Or just the same thing and the process repeats itself. They are not evolving they are growing into their mature/adult form. This is no proof that I came from soup, or how the first living organism came from a non living organism."Dr. Jackson, how old is this petrified wood?""Oh, it's 3 million years old.""How do you know that?""Because this animal is found in this same layer of rock."-"Dr. Jackson, how old is this fossil?""Oh, it's 3 million years old.""How do you know that?"Answer 1:"Because we know how old this layer of rock is."Circular Reasoning?Answer 2:"Because we have tested it with chemicals and they tell us how old it is.""How do you know that it works, do you have any other 3 million year old fossils that you have tested it on to prove that it does work?"
Who the hell would believe in evolution???
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Posted 15 July 2008 - 06:38 PM
How do you know its a theory, or is true, how do you know evolution is true? Ask chuck NorrisChuck- I belive he was tired of is mom waking him up at church.Thank you chuckPOINTS were deducted for this post by Sir VGPlease refer to the forum rules to find out why your points were deducted.as while there be a small amount of evidence,its stronger than Christian theroies
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 01:45 AM
How do you know carbon dating is effective for material millions of years old, like I said before "Have you any other 50 million year old rocks that you have tested this on to prove it? How do you know that these significant differences even appear? Where did the first organisms come from?Evolution takes thousands of years to even make a significant difference in the physical appearance of a creature, evolution doesn't happen in just a lifetime.The 1st organisms are barely living, they were single-celled organisms.Carbon-14 dating is used in determining the age of a fossil, measuring the isotopes is another way. These are tested ways of determining the age of a certain object found in the ground.The answers are redundant because your questions are also redundant.
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 02:03 AM
How do you know the Bible wasn't written in its entirety two hundred years ago as a joke? Science and carbon-dating, along with a few other things. Granted, radiation levels could have differed back then, but a scientific method is a scientific method because it is repeatable, and can be shown accurate through mathematics.How do you know carbon dating is effective for material millions of years old, like I said before "Have you any other 50 million year old rocks that you have tested this on to prove it?"
Evolution does not try to explain where the first organisms came from, but it is believed they were a result of a few chemical reactions. Science does not know everything, nor does it claim to. Science only tries to prove things wrong through scientific experiments. In any case, Occam's razor still applies to this. When faced with multiple theories, whatever theory makes the fewest assumptions is probably the most correct one - at least until new evidence disproves it.How do you know that these significant differences even appear? Where did the first organisms come from?
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 05:33 AM
Neither the theory of a God created earth or a Big Bang created earth can be proven or dis-proven. This debate will forever be a draw because to everyone's perspective one side makes much more sense than the other.Edited: Well because it's fun to debate so I don't wanna end it.How do you know the Bible wasn't written in its entirety two hundred years ago as a joke?It is believed they were a result of a few chemical reactions.
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 05:41 AM
The Bible can only act as a defense for followers of Christ like myself. We can't use it to convince evolutionists because they mock The Word of God and it's believers.What about the bible? Its been around forever. Its the truth!You don't belive the bible?
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 05:46 AM
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 05:48 AM
Obviously people that don't believe in it. You cannot tell an evolutionist that God created the earth because that's what it says in the Bible becuase they don't believe in it in the first place. And yes, I do believe in the Bible.Who says? The bible is used for everything, it has no limits.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:51 AM
Prove it. I'm looking forward to your evidence of this.Evolution is just as crappy as you say creation is. Evolution is made by man and the bible is created by man through god,vessels if you will.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:51 AM
John 8:7 "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, 'If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.'"You are mis using the word. We support Christianity, only you think we are flawed. If the Bible says to spread Christianity then it is not a sin or a "flaw". The Bible doesn't contradict itself.Who is to say what a "day" is to God? Does God not exist out of time in the first place? Creationism seems to be nothing but a bad joke in comparison to evolution on every level, both theistic and scientific, so how can Creationists question evolution when they themselves are so flawed?John 8:7
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 06:39 AM
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 06:42 AM
Regardless of it being created through god or not, it is undeniably created by humans, and humans are not without flaws.If God created humans with so many flaws, to be so imperfect then does that mean he is not without flaws as well, that he is imperfect just like us humans? Does that not mean god is not as all powerful as he is claimed to be? If god created humans to save themselves then doesn't that mean god is not the all caring, the all forgiving almighty one he is claimed to be? If that is so then he is imperfect. What does it make of god when he allows humans to slaughter each other and wage wars under his name? Does he choose not to intervene or does he not have the power to intervene? If the claims made by humans regarding god's existence contradict themselves then wouldn't that mean the bible is not without contradictions as well?Is evolution real or not?Whether if it is real or not, humans are out of that loop.Ever since humans came into existence, we have made numerous leaps to get further advancements in technology, medicine, etc. etc. but nothing that deals with evolution. Humans have not and will not evolve, just simply advance further with science.Evolution is just as crappy as you say creation is. Evolution is made by man and the bible is created by man through god ,vessels if you will.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 07:06 AM
a) Misusing the Bible? By quoting Jesus? Okay.B) You support Christianity? When Christian priests tell me they believe in evolution, are they not priests?c) Only I believe Christianity is flawed? Tell that to the other, I don't know, 3 billion people on the planet.d) I never said it was as in to spread Christianity. Hell, I never said anything was a sin. My intentions were to illustrate that people following a severely flawed theory cannot throw rocks at another - and who are you to correct science, you who reap its rewards every day without a single ounce of respect (judging from your posts in this thread)?e) The Bible contradicts itself at least ten times (100% conclusively, as in, nothing that can be interpreted to make it non-contradictory), and from your "scolding" of my use of a Bible passage, I would say I am more educated in how it is meant to be used than you are.You are mis using the word. We support Christianity, only you think we are flawed. If the Bible says to spread Christianity then it is not a sin or a "flaw". The Bible doesn't contradict itself.
Why are we exempt from evolution? Granted, in comparison to scientific progress, evolution pales, but we will still evolve like everything else.Please, please stop saying evolution contradicts religion, as you cannot possibly read the Bible literally if you have even a shred of common sense.Ever since humans came into existence, we have made numerous leaps to get further advancements in technology, medicine, etc. etc. but nothing that deals with evolution. Humans have not and will not evolve, just simply advance further with science.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 07:18 AM
That's a total contradiction of itself. For those advancements in medicine and technology are evolving the way we live, and how we live.Ever since humans came into existence, we have made numerous leaps to get further advancements in technology, medicine, etc. etc. but nothing that deals with evolution. Humans have not and will not evolve, just simply advance further with science.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 09:23 AM
No, it is not, because he is quite obviously referring to Darwinian evolution.That's a total contradiction of itself. For those advancements in medicine and technology are evolving the way we live, and how we live.
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Thats what I said. You twisted the words. Didn't the devil misuse the words of the Bible, read Luke 4:1-13... there goes your sarcastic remark.a) Misusing the Bible? By quoting Jesus? Okay.
They aren't priests, obviously a Christian cannot believe in the Bible and evolution.B) You support Christianity? When Christian priests tell me they believe in evolution, are they not priests?
What I meant was that Christians don't believe their own religion is wrong so why would they think it is a flaw. I can se how that can be misread sorry for wording it badly.c) Only I believe Christianity is flawed? Tell that to the other, I don't know, 3 billion people on the planet.
You are doing the same thing as I am only on the other side. Neither one of us believe our theory is flawed that's why this debate has the potential to go on for a very long time.d) I never said it was as in to spread Christianity. Hell, I never said anything was a sin. My intentions were to illustrate that people following a severely flawed theory cannot throw rocks at another - and who are you to correct science, you who reap its rewards every day without a single ounce of respect (judging from your posts in this thread)?
I am a person with an opinion as are you, that's who I am. Did evolution make medicine? No it didn't... they didn't have to figure out that we came from monkeys to make antibiotics.and who are you to correct science, you who reap its rewards every day without a single ounce of respect (judging from your posts in this thread)?
Well obviously you are not more educated than I am if you think that the Bible's words cannot be misused while the devil misused them in the Bible. Show me some contradictions.e) The Bible contradicts itself at least ten times (100% conclusively, as in, nothing that can be interpreted to make it non-contradictory), and from your "scolding" of my use of a Bible passage, I would say I am more educated in how it is meant to be used than you are.
Ok, here read Genesis 1. God created everything in 7 days, he didn't make some goop and pour it all over the world and wait for it to evolve.Please, please stop saying evolution contradicts religion, as you cannot possibly read the Bible literally if you have even a shred of common sense.
Edited by ♠ Sucramnella, 18 July 2008 - 10:43 PM.
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The Bible, like everything, is open to interpretation. I feel sorry for you if you cannot see anyone else's view but your own.Thats what I said. You twisted the words. Didn't the devil misuse the words of the Bible, read Luke 4:1-13... there goes your sarcastic remark.
Congratulations, that statements wins "most ignorant" award of the day. I find it hard to believe you can actually say something like that, but I guess there is no limit to how right someone thinks they can be.They aren't priests, obviously a Christian cannot believe in the Bible and evolution.
Why would they think a 5000 year old book is 100% accurate? That alone goes against common sense.What I meant was that Christians don't believe their own religion is wrong so why would they think it is a flaw. I can se how that can be misread sorry for wording it badly.
So basically you're picking out the parts of science you like, and using them for your benefit, while other parts that conflict with your point of view are ignored entirely and mocked. I am a person who sees things from more than one angle. Obviously you weren't posting in this thread when I was "attacking" evolutionists who think evolution is right without knowing why it's right. I am not doing what you are doing, because my purpose is to debate and examine new perspectives. You seem to be clinging to yours rather desperately.You are doing the same thing as I am only on the other side. Neither one of us believe our theory is flawed that's why this debate has the potential to go on for a very long time.
Too lazy to spend three hours tracking the contradictions down; but here's one: "Thou shalt not kill", right? I seem to recall something about burning priest's daughters if they become prostitutes. Plus a bunch of other lovely scenarios. Nice and contradictory.Well obviously you are not more educated than I am if you think that the Bible's words cannot be misused while the devil misused them in the Bible. Show me some contradictions.
You state that like a fact. The Bible says he did, but you forget that God did not write the Bible - poorly educated (by today's standards) religious men did. Who are you to say the Bible was meant to be taken literally anyway?Ok, here read Genesis 1. God created everything in 7 days, he didn't make some goop and pour it all over the world and wait for it to evolve.
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