Who the hell would believe in evolution???

you still don't get it do you? look around. how could God come down to earth to take possession of this place and rule it the way he likes unless he kills all the wicked in it since God is holy. one day that will come but until then its pretty much Satans domain. its says that in the Revelations(end times) things will be as bad as they ever were. America was once deemed a christian nation and 70% of people claim to be Christians. if you read the Bible and figure out the main jist of it you can tell that definetly not 70% of America is Christians(sorry for leaving it so open-ended i don't have time to explain all the despicable things that the majority of America has done). "religion was what? carried down by word of mouth until one day someone finally decided to document it? there are bound to be errors and if anything we can keep the door open and say the bible ONCE did fit with science until human error came into play." the dead sea scrolls makes this statement untrue.. there are still no REAL arguments that disprove Creation. like i read that evolutionist scientists tried to create organic substance with plain elements and it was impossible because they didn't have any proteins. HOW WOULD THE BIG BANG CREATE DNA STRANDS TO CREATE LIVING BEINGS????????????????????? it doesn't even make sense. also carbon dating on fossils doesn't work because you aren't actually measuring the real bone just the minerals that have hardened in the place of it so it actually has no organic substance. go to http://www.trueautho...cvse/carbon.htm for more info on the subject of carbon dating.

you still don't get it do you? look around. how could God come down to earth to take possession of this place and rule it the way he likes unless he kills all the wicked in it since God is holy.

If God kills all the wicked, he's technically breaking his own laws, isn't he? Thou shalt not kill and whatnot? I don't like these "exceptions" people make. They're ridiculously hypocritical.

one day that will come but until then its pretty much Satans domain.

Where in the Bible does it say Satan rules the Earth?

America was once deemed a christian nation and 70% of people claim to be Christians. if you read the Bible and figure out the main jist of it you can tell that definetly not 70% of America is Christians(sorry for leaving it so open-ended i don't have time to explain all the despicable things that the majority of America has done).

Hypocrisy saddens me, it really does. Whenever someone criticizes other members of their religion for not being fanatical enough, a kitten dies.

the dead sea scrolls makes this statement untrue.. there are still no REAL arguments that disprove Creation.

There kind of are, but you just choose to ignore them for the benefit of your own religion. There are no real arguments that disprove that the Holy Walrus of Greenland created Christianity as a joke, either, using your logic.

like i read that evolutionist scientists tried to create organic substance with plain elements and it was impossible because they didn't have any proteins.

Please explain.

HOW WOULD THE BIG BANG CREATE DNA STRANDS TO CREATE LIVING BEINGS?????????????????????

Capslock is cruise-control for cool. Also, we're not discussing the Big Bang, we're discussing the origin of species - evolution. Darwin was, as I've mentioned like five times earlier, a Christian.

it doesn't even make sense. also carbon dating on fossils doesn't work because you aren't actually measuring the real bone just the minerals that have hardened in the place of it so it actually has no organic substance. go to http://www.trueautho...cvse/carbon.htm for more info on the subject of carbon dating.

You're using sources from an anti-evolution site to convince us? Good going! How about you learn how carbon dating works before you decide to argue against it? It measures the amount of radioactive material remaining. We know it works because radioactivity behaves in a specific manner. Granted, it's not 100% accurate, but it's around what, 97% accurate, so it's hardly a nonsense theory. Evolution does not contradict Christianity; only fanatic Christianity.

Ok wait this is the total wrong thread.The Question if evolution exists or not isn't part of the question if God exists or not.People already know that Earth hasn't been created within seven days.It can be proven.There also was no Paradise where the first two humans where living.I believe in evolution.The theory that two or more protozoons could merge to a higher, multicellular organism sounds plausible to me.It happens even nowadays.That organisms could evolve to become higher organisms is plausilbe to me, also.Simple example: You try to get rid of bacterias let's say with anitbiotica.Some of them will survive, because it has no effect on them (they were resistant).It is know that bacterias can part up into two new cells.That's how they reproduce. Then all the new generations will be resistant against this antibiotica.Even if there were bacteria which weren't killed, because let's say it missed or the anticiotica only affected them slightly so they could surviveThey will exchange DNA inormation with the resitant cells, so they can become resistant, too.Now get to higher organisms. Caterpies and Tadpoles.Both are relatively low organisms but to reproduce and to survive they will have to "evovle" by metamorphosis.So why should this not have happened with other animals in past, so they could become higher organisms?

Let it be noted in reguards to this debate that there has been no proof of god found in the fossil record or anywhere else except in stories... therefor the theory of god must not exist. retarded reasoning is fun!evolution happens and just because you don't exist long enough on this earth to observe it doesn't make it false. There is way more holes in "intelligent design" then evolution so by default. Evolution wins... sorry, jesus had monkey in him!FTW!

Fishes.Has anyone thought of fishes?Once they well too deep and reside there, their body slowly changes to adapt to their environment.Would that not be evolution?Also, Christians should think of something else.Would you rather originate from the "children" of God, Adam and Eve (which had more children, leading to INCEST.), who has disobeyed them, and was punished for eating an apple?Or from a completely stupid species, which over time, slowly learnt more and become the humans that we are today?

Edited by CandyCain, 04 August 2008 - 05:03 PM.

This is just a reply to the first post. Which is probably mentioned before, but I can't contain myself.Fossils are very hard to create. When you want to create a fossil, you don't simply throw a corpse into a mud pile. (that is self testable and is also why this world isn't riddled with bones) You need very specific conditions or preserve animals to the point where you can study it thoroughly. Considering that, the fact that we were able to connect branches of animal species, that is an enormous task. I don't really want to bash you too much because it's been done (you've been slapped senseless by other people with high school knowledge), it's just advertising your ignorance by posting such a stupid flaw to evolution, which can be explained by common sense really miffs me. You should be hogtied and forced to re learn basic high school principles.

im just tryin to get sum GPs but i dont think humans are evolving, we are just adapting. For those who read a king james version bible, you would no that God created us in his own image which is a regula person with 2 legs, 2 feet, 10 toes, 2 arms, 2 hands, 10 fingers, a torso, and head. (thats a mouthful )

...What are you talking about? Saying God doesn't exist based on current science is like saying ice cream doesn't exist based on the mating habits of a freshwater crocodile!Yes, Christianity is responsible for more evil than Stalin and Hitler put together; but that has nothing to do with anything. A lot of atheists still use silly arguments like the one I stated earlier to "disprove God".If God exists, she's a fickle pregnant dog with severe psychological problems, but that's just my opinion. If something bad happens, religious people either blame Satan or say it's part of a "divine plan" (which contradicts their concept of free will, but who cares? ignorance is something people have no problem living with). There is no logical reason for all the horrible events that occur around the world, unless God doesn't exist, or is a horrible horrible megalomaniac creature (but that's a-given).

I disagree! Take that you monkey!

lol, you called Nazer a monkey, your so gonna get it, lol.Evolution can explain almost everything came to be... Like the diversities and relativities of creatures...

i beleive in an intelligent creation, and i dont really try too much to understand it..maybe we were never meant to understand the true nature of divinity..

i beleive in an intelligent creation, and i dont really try too much to understand it..maybe we were never meant to understand the true nature of divinity..

I believe it's intelligent design, I hate that excuse, "our puny minds would never understand". I'm not being arrogant but unless given a logical answer, I won't believe in anything.

i beleive in an intelligent creation, and i dont really try too much to understand it..maybe we were never meant to understand the true nature of divinity..

Lol: translation; "I believe what i'm told to believe, thinking is hard"

Edited by The Shnazzyone, 06 August 2008 - 06:45 PM.

So if evelution existed would apes become humans later?

Actually apes and Humans are different races.We had the same forebear deviding into two races.Apes, the ones living on trees, with more physical strenght but less intelligenceand well human, losing their fur, physically weak but intelligent.And with the ability to reproduce very very fast.The only reason they got intelligent was also because those who weren't intelligent enough to find out how to crack bones and eat thebone marrow, simple starved.That they found fire was luck, too.Also earlier there were more Human races than only "homo sapiens"Only those who were able to catch their food with weapons were able too survive.Let's say Human became intelligent, because they had really really bad abilities with the things nature has given them.The facts that Human can reproduce at every time of the year and that they have the instinct to save their babies, even if they are not their own.And the fact that they die easily because they can't kill their prey with their own fangs and that they had to use weapons they had no fur to survive cold and only those who were intelligent enough to take the fur of animals survived made human intelligent.So Apes naturally won't become as intelligent as Human over time, because they can survive on their own, without intelligence.Animals only evovle when they need to.

i agree with jouten but why cant fanatics just shut up and accept evolution its frutratingPOINTS were deducted for this post by -Mario-Please refer to the forum rules to find out why your points were deducted.

So if evelution existed would apes become humans later?

By your logic, a dog would become sentient given enough time, then?Evolution does not favour intelligence, it favours survival. There are many examples of creatures losing intelligence through evolution in order to survive.Either way, would you assume an orangutan would evolve into a chimpanzee?

Actually apes and Humans are different races.

"Actually" humans are defined by biologists as "great apes".

In answer to the topic's title;Equally, who in the hell would believe in religion?The fact remains, it's nigh-on impossible to prove that some omnipotent diety exists unless he creates some sort of thousand foot sign made of holy power and gold. It's possibly to "prove" or at least reaffirm evolution on the grounds we can build THAT sign ourselves by thorough and conditioned study of the Earth.Let's face it, both sides wish to "win" and are quite willing to skew events and create "facts" from nothing to "back up" their own argument, so it's somewhat of a moot point.Does evolution occur? We can somewhat safely assume it does. Certainly those with better capability to survive do indeed do so, though there will always be people whom cannot or do not wish to accept otherwise for religious or personal reasons or because they do not fully understand it.

"Actually" humans are defined by biologists as "great apes".

No.Humans are the "Homo" race. And Apes are the "Primates" race.Human and Apes evolved out of one ancestor just like cats and dogs.Human didn't evovle out of apes just as cats didn't evolve out of dogs.

Congratulations, you just made an ass out of yourself. Check your facts before criticizing others'. Read up on the hominidae family: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_apeGod I hate it when people correct me without cause. Learn biology. Stop repeating arguments so your post seems more valuable.

It doesn't make you intelligenter when you insult others.However,just because they are the same family doesn't make them the same race.Ok some people say Human are apes, and some say Human are another race.I admit you are right, but don't be that rude -.-

It doesn't make you intelligenter when you insult others.However,just because they are the same family doesn't make them the same race.Ok some people say Human are apes, and some say Human are another race.I admit you are right, but don't be that rude -.-

You're lecturing me on being rude? I suggest you examine your own posts and actions a few times over.Strictly speaking, the term "ape" can refer to a whole myriad of primates (excluding humans), whereas a "great ape" is a primate within a specific family - humans fit into this category. I just thought I'd clarify that. We are apes, but specifically: great apes. Don't you all feel great?

English is not my native language.I thought "ape" and "monkey" mean the same.I just wanted to point out that Human didn't evovle out of chimpanzees or something, like many seem to believe here.They are another race, but belong to the same family.

i believe in evoultion... and im catholic... it makes sense than we just popped out of nowhere. looking exactly as we were from the beggining of timePOINTS were deducted for this post by Black SwanPlease refer to the forum rules to find out why your points were deducted.

This is just a reply to the first post. Which is probably mentioned before, but I can't contain myself.Fossils are very hard to create. When you want to create a fossil, you don't simply throw a corpse into a mud pile. (that is self testable and is also why this world isn't riddled with bones) You need very specific conditions or preserve animals to the point where you can study it thoroughly. Considering that, the fact that we were able to connect branches of animal species, that is an enormous task. I don't really want to bash you too much because it's been done (you've been slapped senseless by other people with high school knowledge), it's just advertising your ignorance by posting such a stupid flaw to evolution, which can be explained by common sense really miffs me. You should be hogtied and forced to re learn basic high school principles.

I completely agree with you.I have a valid reason why there are so little fossils.1. If they are eaten after they died, NO FOSSIL.2. Was the sad moist enough.3. Was there enough pressure.4. Was it the right temperature in that specific area. and yea. >:

I gotta say that EVOLUTION IS FOR REAL!!!!POINTS were deducted for this post by Kimihiro WatanukiPlease refer to the forum rules to find out why your points were deducted.

i believe in evolution... and im catholic... it makes sense than we just popped out of nowhere. looking exactly as we were from the beggining of time

despite the poor spelling it's nice to see a religeous individual who is willing to bend for common sense. how come noone has brought up the biblical crux that there is two completly different explanations for how the world is created in genesis. I'd like to see thwe biblical community debate which one is the correct one and come to an absolute agreement before they come after science.