it's not really things evolving to fit a landscape or habitat, it's the ones that can survive best in that situation that live on. so now, giraffes don't develop long necks, the ones with the long necks just live longer.
Who the hell would believe in evolution???
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 03:44 AM
I believe in evolution.I am not a person with a religion, but I have faith. I believe in something, but it has nothing to do with religion. I believe in something closely to good etiquette, methinks.Creationist theory was never proven, even though evolution is only proven through deduction and scraps of facts, but I prefer to believe what I can see. Maybe both are correct, we were created out of the blue, but then we evolved to what we are today.We could always try to think from both perspectives, and not condemn either one of them.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 02:48 PM
dont want to get to spiritual on you folks but even our dear friend Charles Darwin's ( thats the guy who made the theroy incase you people dont know) had admited in his dyin bed that evolution was made up in his own head! you can research that 1 ofcurse you can also research the millions of facts across the internet that backs up evolotion so lets not trust the net! most scintiest belive that some artifical intilligent created the world! as it is to complex to beatifull and it would be unrealistic if this gorgous planet did not have a maker? there are billions of billions of little facts about this earth from tiny microganisams to love that we cant really exsplain? i think that the theory of evolotion is for people who refuse to belive that god created this earth! im not trying to force feed anyone my religion or knock on your door like johova witnesses. this is just my personal opinion that someting so perfect cannot be made by itself! even over millions of billions of years! someting had to move in order for someting to be created! even scince proofs that! for every reaction there is a positive and equal reaction! so maybe this earth was created over 200 million years... but who created the galaxy that created earth? do you see what i mean? someting had to create someting in order for all of this to happen. thats my personal opinion.belive in it or not, i would like to hear your view on this and again dont think im pulling a juabva witness im just telling you how i see this!haha sorry i meant “Intelligent Design” not artificall intilligant its late down here in nz.. 
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 03:00 PM
First of all, that is a myth invented by creationists and THAT is what you will find out with any casual research into the matter. Darwin never, ever took back anything he said about science.Second, it doesn't make a difference anyway because Darwin was not the first person to talk about evolution. Get it through your heads, people. Evolution science is not the creation of one random man.Even if he did deny, all the research in the world has found nothing but positive proof again and again. NOBODY has EVER found evidence against Evolution.Also, I absolutely hate people who think scientists are anti-God. Just as many people believe that an intelligent creator and Evolution co-exist.Why would God create a PLANET that constantly changes but make all lifeforms totally static? Nothing would survive if it couldn't adapt.Many scientists I know consider Evolution to be further evidence of God because the process is so perfect and beautiful. Make NO mistake: species evolve. That is a fact. The only thing we don't know is where the first lifeforms came from.dont want to get to spiritual on you folks but even our dear friend Charles Darwin's ( thats the guy who made the theroy incase you people dont know) had admited in his dyin bed that evolution was made up in his own head!
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 09:19 PM
It's not like I don't believe in evolution at all, sure there are some forms of evolution that truly exists, viruses for example evolves everyday, in fact viruses evolution is the reason why there isn't any cure for HIV yet. However saying that an apes could evolve into humans or dinosaurs evolved into birds is just too much crap for me, and I don't buy it just like thousands of scantest who discovered thousand of evidences that proved it wrong, and to say "There are no flaws. There are no holes. Our knowledge of it is as solid as a wall" and return after few posts and sayThere is NOTHING I despise more than people who think this way. You sir know absolutely nothing about science.Scientists have never had anything against religion, and people who study - and support - evolution are exactly as likely to believe in God as anybody else.But it doesn't matter either way, because no, there ISN'T any evidence against evolution. Not one shred of anything tangible has ever, ever presented a problem for evolution scientists. There are no flaws. There are no holes. Our knowledge of it is as solid as a wall. Read a book already.
Proves that your wrong (and an idiot) who never really tried to look for any thing against that theory.In fact the US is considering teaching students that evolution is only a theory and not a fact.look hereYou should be more open minded man.The only thing we don't know is where the first lifeforms came from.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 12:31 AM
in my opinion there is a difference between adaption and evolution.adaption is all about surviving in different areas and circumstances like in that movie with tom hanks we see him adapt to living on that island! that is not however the core of evolotion is it? humans are always adapting, but were not changing forms? i dont think we came from monkeys!First of all, that is a myth invented by creationists and THAT is what you will find out with any casual research into the matter. Darwin never, ever took back anything he said about science.Second, it doesn't make a difference anyway because Darwin was not the first person to talk about evolution. Get it through your heads, people. Evolution science is not the creation of one random man.Even if he did deny, all the research in the world has found nothing but positive proof again and again. NOBODY has EVER found evidence against Evolution.Also, I absolutely hate people who think scientists are anti-God. Just as many people believe that an intelligent creator and Evolution co-exist.Why would God create a PLANET that constantly changes but make all lifeforms totally static? Nothing would survive if it couldn't adapt.Many scientists I know consider Evolution to be further evidence of God because the process is so perfect and beautiful. Make NO mistake: species evolve. That is a fact. The only thing we don't know is where the first lifeforms came from.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 02:20 AM
umm...dont tadpoles evolve into frgs? 
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 03:28 AM
LOLtadpoles don't evolved into frogs, they metamorph.did I use the right words?I think it's metamorphosis, when a tadpole grows into a frog, like some of the insects do.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 03:43 AM
Yes, that IS the core of evolution, actually.Evolution is nothing but a name for when new species slowly branch off from existing species through breeding as the environment changes, like all the different dogs that have descended from wolves in the un-natural environments we brought them into. It just doesn't happen that fast in nature.And nobody ever said we came from monkeys, only that humans and apes have a COMMON ancestry. That means we descended from the same animal as apes, not that we actually descended from apes. Even Darwin never made that claim, but people have been putting those words in his mouth since he first made his ideas public.But what Darwin actually did was name Evolution and write the first serious scientific thesis about it. Cultures around the world had studied it centuries prior, but never paid as much attention to it. Awareness of Evolution, as far as we know, goes back to at least ancient Greece.in my opinion there is a difference between adaption and evolution.adaption is all about surviving in different areas and circumstances like in that movie with tom hanks we see him adapt to living on that island! that is not however the core of evolotion is it? humans are always adapting, but were not changing forms? i dont think we came from monkeys!
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 03:58 AM
crack heads only POINTS were deducted for this post by xenos219
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 04:57 AM
You'd better not be serious. Even people who refuse to accept the truth of evolution know that people support it for valid reasons. "Crack heads only" is the stupidest, most babyish response I've ever heard. You don't know anything. You're just trying to get points with a crap post.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:08 AM
Sigh, everywhere I go I find the same 2-bit creationists paddling the same arguments which has been time and time refuted....I've never met a creationist who wasn't either dishonest, or ignorant.Stop building a straw-man and actually learn about evolution. It will do you good. At least then you can pretend to debunk it on the basis of knowledge, not because it hurts you precious fairy tale mythology.Anyway, many here tried to explain evolution, and doesn't seem like it's getting through("can monkeys do math lol?!!").I would like to explain what certain words mean in the scientific context.There is no proof in science. Nothing ever, EVERA GETS PROVEN.There is evidence. And there is a theory which comes to explain the evidence.Gravity is a theory.So when you 2-bit creationists peddle the lie "but..but..evolution is only a theory"!!, you are either ignorant, or dishonest.Evolution IS A FACT. It has been observed both directly(lab) and indirectly(fossils).The theory of evolution tries to explain the amazing, consistent, and various evidence which has been collected through the years.Also, evolution and god aren't mutually exclusive. However, evolution and the Genesis account taken literally IS mutually exclusive.No, the world wasn't created in 7 days, and no, we aren't the direct descendants of 2 humans.So when you 2-bit creationinsts peddle the lie "but..but..evolution is only a theory"!!, you are either ignorant, or dishonest.Evolution IS A FACT. It has been observed both directly(lab) and indirectly(fossils).The theory of evolution tries to explain the amazing, consistenst, and various evidence which has been collected through the years.Also, evolution and god aren't mutually exclusive. However, evolution and the Genesis account taken literally IS mutually exlusive.No, the world wasn't created in 7 days, and no, we aren't the direct descendantsts of 2 humans.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:13 AM
scythemantis You even refuse to believe that there is some people who truly don't believe in evolution crack head.
Edited by You Are (Not) Alone, 31 January 2007 - 05:16 AM.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:25 AM
Its kind of like economics.. most of it is just theorycrafting proven by math, yet no one really know why it happens. Sure people can get PHD's in eco, or PHD's in quantum physics, but in the end, what if one day the stock market randomly crashed for no reason? what if one day we saw flying pigs? its just like that, except it hasn't happened yet. Of course we had to believe in the evolution of the human MIND, but who says we gotta come from monkeys?
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:29 AM
evolution is a scientific fact, evidence of convergent and divergent evolution is found all over the world (most notably in geographically isolated areas), homologous and analogous genes as well as studys in embryology and common morphology cement this fact.ANYWAYS my point is that it seems that the strongest forms of evidence supporting evolution are always the ones creationists dont try to dispel. is this ignorance or is it on purpose?
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:39 AM
I'm having a hard time understanding your post...are you saying things "just happen"?Why don't you study some history and find out why the market crashes? Just because your don't know/understand, doesn't make it happen "for no reason".As for the day when "pigs fly", go ahead and keep waiting. Send me a postcard when it happen.And on one's asking you to believe in evolution. Unlike creationists, who have taken it upon themselves to "redeem" the whole of mankind, I couldn’t care less what you believe. Hell, you can believe the world is flat for all I care. There's as much evidence to suggest that as to suggest an invisible daddy in the sky got bored one day and popped us out of nowhere.Its kind of like economics.. most of it is just theorycrafting proven by math, yet no one really know why it happens. Sure people can get PHD's in eco, or PHD's in quantum physics, but in the end, what if one day the stock market randomly crashed for no reason? what if one day we saw flying pigs? its just like that, except it hasn't happened yet. Of course we had to believe in the evolution of the human MIND, but who says we gotta come from monkeys?
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 02:56 PM
Huh? I don't understand your sentence.I was simply saying it was rude, childish and stupid if that guy to say that only crack heads would believe in anything. Because even people who don't believe in Evolution know that other people have good reasons to do so.Also, you still should show me one of these evidences against evolution that you think exist.This page isn't very detailed but it is a list of common misconceptions. Ask me about any of them, and I can explain them fully:http://sps.k12.ar.us...ution_myths.htmscythemantis You even refuse to believe that there is some people who truly don't believe in evolution crack head.
Uh...nobody EVER said we came from monkeys. Humans and APES evolved from the same ancestral mammals, but they evolved seperately. Nobody, not even Darwin, has ever scientifically claimed that any sort of ape or monkey alive today is our ancestor. It doesn't work that way. We are "cousins" to apes, not children.but who says we gotta come from monkeys?
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*sigh*I'm not going to give a long explanation on why I don't believe in creationism. It isn't really worth the hassle, and there's one simple reason that has convinced me to believe in evolution ever since I was a child:If we are all offspring from Adam and Eve, the "only" people created by God, every single relationship on Earth would be incest. Seeing an estimated 600 million(I think) people are disabled, and incest gives a very high chance of disability, I can't believe we're all offspring from two people. I can't believe my parents are related, me and my girlfriend are related, me and my teachers are related in some way.
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i do remember one thing.
it took hours and hours but.
by the time i was done with it.
i was so involved. i didn't even know what to think.
i carried it around with me for days. and days.
playing little games.
like. not looking at it for a whole day.
and then. looking at it.
to see if I still liked it.
i did.
it took hours and hours but.
by the time i was done with it.
i was so involved. i didn't even know what to think.
i carried it around with me for days. and days.
playing little games.
like. not looking at it for a whole day.
and then. looking at it.
to see if I still liked it.
i did.
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 06:07 PM
sientifillily we are all eveloed!
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 05:44 AM
as a human being, i am open to many ideas and i think u should be too...topics like this are controversial, and it is possible that we may never know the answer...but that doesn't mean that you have to criticise those who believe something else...a majority of the world's conflicts would be solved if people just tolerated other beliefs...especially this one...what does it matter where we came from...what does matter is that we are here...
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 07:16 PM
I have to say, I believe I have an open mind, but I think evolution is really stupid...
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Posted 03 February 2007 - 10:44 AM
I believe in some evolution. Like microbiology evolution. But the whole apes and humans thing....not really.
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Posted 04 February 2007 - 06:18 AM
The main problem in the topic poster's argument is that who fossil thing. Fossilization is incredibly rare. Not everything gets fossilized. All of those missing links that he so desperately wants to see have been obliterated eons ago. The best thing is to look at the proof and documented data from the present time. Things are changing and even religion had to bend down to accept some of the data while maintaining their differences.
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It's that evolutionary link are more pronounces in certain species such as say a Cenozoic era mammal may look like a rat but 100's of mammals in present time could look different such as the bilby or hamster could traces back to this Cenozoic mammal. Here is a better way to explain evolution if two couples and, one couple do all the physical work and the other couple does all the thinking, the strong couple will have a strong kid and the smart couple will have a smart kid. and repeat that for 1,000 years and you would see big different between the children. now imagine 20,000,000 years more the smart couple would have a vastly smarter kid but the strong couple would have a vastly stronger kid. That is evolution.All I'm saying is that although there is what evolutionists (in general, mind you) would like to present as substantial evidence in support of evolution, there is also an even greater amount of evidence (though oftenly suppressed or ignored) which has arisen from or been taken as a sample from those same evolutionist's findings!! Ex) the "fossil" record? evolutionists would present that from the fossil record can be found many examples of creatures "evolving" into some state we witness today. However, if a person were to use common sense, taking into account that on the basis of the evolutionists' statements every creature here today is evolved from some previous form, shouldn't we be able to find MILLIONS of such examples, and not just the few we see today???? Just one example of many. Topic open to opinions...
Survival of the fittest doesn't mean the most dominate or anti wildlife preserves because our species would be at there fittest when they have farms and forests.[if all living components came from the non-living components] I don't remember that part of evolution? I think you got big bang theory mixed with evolution.Just my opinion... One of the reason why I do not believe evolution completely is that evolution promotes extinction. "Survival of the fittest..." A pharse coined by Darwin in his book... For me, this states that it is okay for one specie to die out so another specie could live because it is fittest. It promotes poaching because it seems humans are the fittest. It denounces wildlife preserves because it prevents the fittest specie to dominate over the rest and thus ending evolution. Another reason would be because if evolution were true and all life came from non-living components, then there will come a time that when I open a jar of jam or peanut butter, I will be able to see a new specie that has not been discovered yet (I mean, a jar of peanut butter experiences heat, radiation, has carbon, contains nutrients... in other words, it contains all of the things needed to create life according to some evolutionists). Another thing, if all living components came from the non-living components, where did the non-living components come from? The Big Bang perhaps? Then where did it get all the components it needed to occur? My point is: Although I believe in some parts of evolution, I do not believe everything Darwin wrote in his book. I just believe selective parts of it. Yes, species multiply and there will come a time that a mutation will occur. However, for me, it just goes up to that. Evolution never explained how it all began. I guess I have to just wait until then. Just my two cents.
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Posted 04 February 2007 - 03:51 PM
I believe in evolution, basicaly because creationism is much much harder to explain. I will believe creationism when there is a real answer other than "he just was always there" when i ask where god came from. By saying god, i am not trying to put down other religions, i am just in athiest in a christian family, i am just speaking from what i know.
